A neighbour has to sell his beloved Granada estate auto x reg in white..
cruise, air con, elec seats all work. black leather like new and his dad bought it new and now has 55k miles.
how do you value something like this.
he wants 5k for it but im reluctant to offer more than 2k at most and it is a distress sale.
any one any clue as to value
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Prices vary, but I can see a handful of nice looking examples from that era on eBay, with similar mileage from £1k to £3k.
In the condition you describe, I'd say £3k to £3.5k would be fair, but only to someone who really wants a Granada to take to shows, otherwise it's £1k as an workhorse for someone with a taste for nostalgia.
£5k is way over the top.
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Its an efficient, thirsty 30 year old car with possibly hidden rust issues. If I was rich and it was in very nice condition I would offer £2k for it and add it to be collection. I can certainly see the appeal of this car, but not as a daily runner with todays fuel prices.
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I'd say that Oilburner had it about right;
If you want a large, cheap runabout then there's much better vehicles about.
If you specifically want one of those, then I reckon £3k to £4k, becuase there just aren't that many about. You say distressed, so if you want to push I'd guess £2.5k - £3k, quicksale and cash.
However, I'd rather have the Mk1 Consul, and that I might pay £5k for.
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How can a 30-year-old mass-market car, no matter how well preserved, be worth £5,000 to anyone? Perhaps someone obsessed with the size of modern cars who wants to park it next to a Mondeo.
I'd hazard £500 as the base amount for a car (any car) that goes and looks like it might go on going, then maybe another £1,000 for curiosity value and the conversations it'll start along the lines of 'my friend's dad used to have one of them'. (True, in my case, and probably many others.) But it's hardly a classic, is it, just an old rarity.
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I had a 2.3 Granada 1982.
Great cars unless it snowed or had ice.
Then a willingness to rotate on the spot and an inability to travel forwards.
In my view, the inherent value is similar to an Austin Ambassador: anything more than scrap value and it's OTT.
Let them RIP>
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If it was a mark1 it would be worth a couple of bob, but its a pretty ugly mark 2. It would need to be concourse and owned by George Cowley himself to be worth 5 grand.
1500 quid max.
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i think the full history/ one owner and ziebarted from new so no rust anywhere may help its price but not to 5 grand. it was for curiosity and just to drive around for a few weeks but i cant see a way for him to be happy with me offering 1500 but id need to sell due to lack of space but my soon to be 17yo has taken a liking to it so may see how much classic insurance would be for him in year or two
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Take a look at values for 30 year old escorts, fiestas and capris in excellent condition. Eye watering...
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Id go somewhere around £3k as its not that low miles and £5k is more 5k from new territory with the plastic still on seats.
Im quite sure some Ford nut would take it off your hands as and when.
As a first car, that would be either really cool or really uncool, depending on the crowd they hang out with. As a ride to go down to the beach for the day a granny est is perfect.
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Red with the "Excellent" chocolate brown interior! No thanks!
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I would offer £500 and a full tank of juice as you'll need it...
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Nice motor. Might be a bit wallowy by taut modern standards but one could live with that. Nor would it be that damn thirsty driven in chauffeur rhythm and kept in proper fettle, clean injectors, decent plugs and air filter, all that.
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Bit of thread drift - saw an accident on M74 today, not sure if the two cars were together or not but an XR2 had ran into the back of a pristine, F Reg, Mark 1 Fiesta in that colour of beige that they all seemed to be in at the time.
Both cars had major damage, I just can't help that it was too coincidental - Bet they were travelling in convoy!
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If he sticks out for 5k advise him to cross his fingers and put it in a classic car auction - the more up-market the better. As mentioned above, old Fords with low mileage go for eye-watering prices these days. Even a (really nice) old Granny would probably cut it.
I think the later Ghia X was an attractive bit of kit. I'd rather have one than the same era Merc.
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>> If he sticks out for 5k advise him to cross his fingers and put it
>> in a classic car auction - the more up-market the better. As mentioned above, old
>> Fords with low mileage go for eye-watering prices these days. Even a (really nice) old
>> Granny would probably cut it.
>> I think the later Ghia X was an attractive bit of kit. I'd rather have
>> one than the same era Merc.
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I'd agree. It gets it exposed to a wide group of buyers and gets it gone.
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Fantastic motor. But I wonder if you could fit a modern 2.0 TDCi in it.............that'd be nice.
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There are several active Granada Owner's clubs. I used to live next door to the treasurer of the MkII Owner's club and he had three of the things.
I'd be punting the thing through as many of them as possible (i.e. all those who'll take a "For Sale" advert without requiring a membership subscription).
I just had a quick look and found someone punting an '86 2.3GL on one of 'em for six grand......(!)
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A fool and his money are easily parted.
:}
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It appears he's been trying to sell this Granada only in auto trader for the last two weeks and had no replies.
now it seems that he's in need of cash asap so i went in with £1700 which he winced at a little but as im the only one with cash standing here he soon realised he had no choice.
so its outside looking lovely and pristine white. took it out to Portsmouth earlier and all works like new, a very very original example and surprisingly comfortable if a little soft and way smaller than i remember them years ago.
i do feel a little guilty for the price but its was all i wanted to pay for a toy.
mentioned above i may look into the possibility of modern running gear etc like BMW td engine or such like, have told son he can have it as he thinks its so cool but would help with insurance if a diesel auto. oh and 22mpg to Portsmouth at a steady 70mph so as expected but will get worse in the city.
he also needs to sell a mint rover sd1 twin plenum in black with black leather and 35k on the clock. im so so tempted as it was my dream car when a boy. hes offered to take me out later when he gets home but wont give me a price till ive driven it. so that gives me a few hours to get a realistic valuation on the rover. the son thinks its cooler than the Granada but i cant see anyone insuring a 17yr old on a rover v8 and besides its mine maybe for a month or two as i also know my dad would love one of these because he couldn't afford one then and we had the crappy 2.0 version.
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Nice price!
>> mentioned above i may look into the possibility of modern running gear etc like BMW
>> td engine or such like, have told son he can have it as he thinks
>> its so cool but would help with insurance if a diesel auto. oh and 22mpg
>> to Portsmouth at a steady 70mph so as expected but will get worse in the
>> city.
I can see Granada owners club members up and down the country wincing at that one. ;) And beside that, for the cost of buying and installing the BMW engine, is it worth it? Even if you get 40mpg or more, the fuel savings would take ages to pay it back.
Also, surely it's worth 22mpg and less for that lovely Cologne V6?
I'm not sure it will make any difference to classic car insurance either. They possibly won't care, or might get funny because it's seriously modified.
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Oof. Congratulations, nyx2k, on joining the owning-a-silly-toy-1980s-car-just-because-you-fancy-it-and-to-hell-wit
h-everyone
club. It's fun.
But yours sounds like more fun than mine. Jealous.
:-)
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its immaculate all over. made a few calls and it appears it may be worth a little more than ive paid for it. have a friend willing to drive from aberdeen tonight and give me 4k in cash but will keep it for a few months till the weather turns slushy then decide what to do with it.
i was only thinking of a reengine if the 17yo keeps it as a daily drive but i like the originality.
the trouble is now that im sitting here waiting for him to get back home so i can play with his rover, ive even started looking for somewhere to store it to keep it clean as ill only get to drive it once or twice a week because i already now have 2 cars for me and one for the wife and rover makes for cars and we have no drive or garage in the village.
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>> its immaculate all over
Got any pics?
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>> mentioned above i may look into the possibility of modern running gear etc like BMW
>> td engine or such like,
Dont be stupid. You dont buy that car and do something like that to it.
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>> Dont be stupid. You dont buy that car and do something like that to it.
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That's what I was actually thinking, but didn't want to say. :)
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He can do whatever he blooming well likes with it.
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if he does that he deserves a slap.
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as some of you may know ive been a little unwell lately so just buying and playing with a few toys till i shuffle off quietly.
the son thinks the Granada is so cool i now have about 10 teenage boys coming over at the weekend to have a look at it and ive already been phoned by one of their parents asking to come and look at it and if its for sale but i'll keep it for a few months and see if we can protect it from winters in the exposed village position but may have to rent a double lock up in chi somewhere to keep it clean and dry for the winter so in that respect it probably wont be used as anyone's daily driver.
it would be sacrilage to rip out the running gear but i suppose it could be reversed if the engineering were done properly.
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I'd keep it as is and enjoy it for a bit. Then sell it on and buy another toy. Although you sound serious about getting the Rover SD1 as a toy too. I hope you're feeling well enough to enjoy all this - you said you'd been over doing it lately.
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Agree with the others: the appeal of this thing lies in its antiquity and authenticity, which would be destroyed by a modern engine, even if (especially if?) one could be economically installed. It'll be fun for a little while, then you can sell it on for what you paid for someone else to enjoy for a bit.
I can't quite see the appeal of old cars, but I do like old cameras, so it's not too big a stretch from there. I wouldn't graft a digital back on to a Rolleiflex, though, and I think the same principle should apply to the Granada. Hope you enjoy it.
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>> >> mentioned above i may look into the possibility of modern running gear etc like
>> BMW
>> >> td engine or such like,
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>> Dont be stupid. You dont buy that car and do something like that to it.
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+1. Half the joy of a car like that is the engine. Same with my old pick-up; 5 litres of V-6, and the lump itself weighs half a ton. Slow, thirsty (I average 15 mpg mimsing) but enough torque to pull the side of a house down; with a full load of firewood on the back it'll tackle a lengthy 1 in 10 in top (third) gear.
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>> +1. Half the joy of a car like that is the engine
Some of these cats don't know they're born Harley.
Drove an auto Rover SD1 once and didn't like it much. The steering felt iffy to me although the owner punted it through the London traffic OK.
I'd prefer the Granada.
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nyx2k, try googling this
www.affordableclassics.co.uk
Based not too far from me , he speciallises in old Fords and even hires cars out for ads, films, weddings.
He even has a Grandad Estate for sale currently so you could 'go compare'.
Regards
TMWNN
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>> nyx2k, try googling this
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>> www.affordableclassics.co.uk
Could have just posted the link: www.affordableclassics.co.uk/
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Yargh. I'd love that Orion.
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I'd quite like a Mk2 Cortina or an early Mk 3, preferably from the year I was born.
My mum had a Mark 2 1300 in dark green and rust. She got rid of it however after we did 3x 360 spins on a greasy twisty country road. The tyres were crossplys.
Happy days
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>> Yargh. I'd love that Orion.
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Me too. I had a 1990 (pre-face lift model) 1.6i Ghia. It truly was an XR3i with a bigger boot. That was my last "real" car without power steering, air-con, air-bags and all the other modern nonsense. Cheap to insure compared to the XR3i too.
By my standards, it was great to drive and seemed plenty quick enough too.
Lovely rose tinted specs eh?
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>> Lovely rose tinted specs eh?
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No doubt. I learnt to drive in Mother's B-reg Escort 1.6 Ghia. That was plenty fast enough for a 17/18 year old, but I always had a thing for small saloons (hence current ownership of a Volvo 360 saloon) and desperately wanted an Orion 1.6i Ghia. I did get an Orion 1.6L whilst in University, but it was an utter shed compared to our Escort. Mum still pines for the Escort, it was replaced by a Daihatsu Fourtrak when she abandoned her children to live in Spain for a few years (clever old girl). Wish she'd let me take the Escort on at the time. But then, seeing as I was partial to getting air in it over the local humpbacks, probably best I didn't.
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You were posh Alanovic. My lessons were in an E reg 1.3L. Four speeds, in doom blue.
The E reg one had replaced a B reg Orion 1.3L and was itself replaced by a 1990 H reg Orion 1.3L. All in the same shade of blue. The final one had 5 speeds and a sunroof, so felt posh to us.
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>> You were posh Alanovic. My lessons were in an E reg 1.3L
Get you, with your Mk4. I learned in me dad's C reg 1.3L Mk3, although it did have the optional 5 speed 'box. It was so weedy you had to change down into 4th going up the Offley Hill.
Funnily enough I saw a MkI Orion 1.6i Ghia on the A31 today, first one for a long while.
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My first drives were in mum's 1.1 Fiesta, but occasionally I was let loose in dad's 1.3 Escort. Oh, the power :)
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my sister had a 1.3l escort on a D plate.
stupidly quick for what it was.
we always wondered if it had been tinkered with as I had driven other 1.3 escorts and none were that quick.
I then brought a H reg escort and that was lethargic compared to the D reg escort.
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>> my sister had a 1.3l escort on a D plate.
>> we always wondered if it had been tinkered with as I had driven other 1.3 escorts and >> none were that quick.
Interesting. Our Escort 1.6 Ghia always felt faster and more powerful then the 1.6L Orion I owned later, despite having the same engine. They were both B reg cars, as well. A girlfriend's mother at the time also had a 1.6L Escort of the same vintage which I drove, and that was similarly weaker feeling than my Mum's Ghia. I think that our Ghia must have been the exception in being a really nice car to drive. Maybe they were assembled somewhere different to the L models, it always felt much better built and much tighter in all respects than the other two comparable cars.
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ditto for the sierra. my dad had a 1.8 and a 2.0l and the 2.0l litre was a lot quicker.
it felt the right engine for the car (if that makes sense)
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We had two Orions, both 1.6. No. 1. a green GL and a lovely little motor followed by a pale blue 1.6 Ghia (Don't you know OK yah). I preferred the GL. Both went like stink.
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I look forward intently to hearing how he values the Rover.
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he wants 4k on affordable classics and thats not an X spec with injection.
i am awaiting a call from someone in the sd1 owners club who thinks if concourse upto 15k retail money. if very clean like it looks then if i can get for less than 6k h says he will buy it from me any day for 7.5k.
i know i should do the right thing and pthim in touch with the neighbour so neighbour gets more money but ive sort of set my heart on it but will only make an offer if its mint and im not paying more than 4k for it. next year i'll let my dad have it as he doesnt want my new jag as he says its too new and complicated for him getting into older years but i know he'd kill for the rover.
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Err, is the Rover SD1 V8 a Vitesse, nyx?
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I'd hate an Orion but confess to a touch of envy over nyx2's bargain lazy quiet comfortable limo. Also an athletic car more than capable of dealing with modern traffic in the right hands.
I am coming round to automatic transmission in my old age. Modern manuals don't need stylish heel-and-toeing anyway. I liked the Mercedes diesel auto our hosts had in southern Spain. Small engine, big car, but seemed to go all right and does 40mpg they said.
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I worked for a FD who had a SD1 Vitesse: dual plenum - or summat like that. It was the most unreliable heap of rubbish: continually breaking down, failing to start etc. Rover dealers were clueless.
As for old cars, no thanks. Compared to modern cars, they were and are largely rubbish. Minis included.
I have no wish to drive a deathtrap on wheels - which is anything older than 20 years - before modern crumple zones etc...
I speak as an ex owner of a 1967 Lotus Elan S3 ,a 1947 Rover 16 and a 1929 Riley 9 Monaco.
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>> I have no wish to drive a deathtrap on wheels - which is anything older
>> than 20 years - before modern crumple zones etc...
You are perfectly entitled to your opinion, but....
we have had this sort of discussion before
While nobody would claim that classic vehicles have anything like the safety built in of modern vehicles, to refer to any older vehicle as a "deathtrap on wheels" is emotive and silly.
The serious accident records for classic cars are so minimal as to be virtually non existent in any meaningful conversation and do not justify that kind of language.
Fine choose not to drive one, but don't make yourself look like some kind of health & safety nutter by using terms like "deathtrap" for something which is statistically far less of a problem safety wise than motorbikes, pedal bikes or just about any other form of road transport.
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yes it's a rover sd1 vitesse with the last twin plenum engine and should be 190-210 hp standard.
pure soft black leather interior on big squishy cushions and black wool carpets with black overugs with silver piping around the edges of the rugs.
wood dash inserts are immaculate.
i'm going to ask my dad if he would want it when im not around maybe later next year and if not I'll keep and then sell next July ish.
climate controls front and rear and walnut picnic tables in the rear.
if some sentences don't make sense then try and be patient as when i get tired i get a bit confused.
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i know what you mean about safety cells etc and normally I'd agree entirely with you but i'm having a mid life crisis year as im unwell and unlikely to see another summer so wife lets me buy things as long as its not a weight around her when it comes to sell things etc.
but at the price im prepared to pay i cant lose if i hate it and could make a few grand if i sell it.
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So, so pleased you're enjoying buying and selling nyx2k, and don't worry about us reading it, we'll unravel anything, no matter how tired you get, just keep posting:)
Pat
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>>yes it's a rover sd1 vitesse with the last twin plenum engine and should be 190-210 hp standard<<
Well you must buy it then nyx, try and get it for "the right" price of course (I know you will)
Give the Granada to your son, The Jaguar to Lud, and then you can have some fun in the Vitesse.
Job done :)
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im a little disappointed about my jaguar just because when i bought it id know my dad would love it when im gone but he doesn't want ongoing bills and feel beholden to keep it but i was hoping he would use it for ten years or so till he wanted to drive no more but just told him about the rover and he said get it so will look it over tonight and take for a drive and get a friendly mechanic i know from jaguar to go over it in there workshop tomorrow and do the deal or if the price is great i'll take it and risk it, but this chap is very fastidious and even the house is immaculate. he has a silver spur Royce from 1980's in perfect unmarked condition but i think some property venture went wrong and they are trying a last ditch attempt to raise cash to keep the house from being repossessed as its been in the family for 400 yrs.
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just got a call from a friend who is in a racing team at goodwood this weekend and as my house backs onto goodwood house land he's got a whole race team less than a few hundred metres away and he's willing to take a look it over do a dyno run for me as they should have a few spare hours very late Friday night.
my friend said i can take the rover and granada but ive been over the granada today and i have no problems with it, it really does feel like 1986 again
the owner of the rover says it had new cam belt and seals for valves last summer at 1500 quid. it would be great to get them to have a look for me and even drive her around for a lap would be great.
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>> the owner of the rover says it had new cam belt and seals for valves
>> last summer at 1500 quid.
If this is the Rover SD1 Vitesse I think you mean timing chain.
House backing onto goodwood house land? Very nice :)
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im going to look at her in a minute just to go over her and check the paperwork. it has 11 months mot and 12 months tax aswell. if i can do a deal and give a little back to the owner without beating him down too much then everybody wins and as said before im the one standing there with a bag full of cash to keep the bailiffs away.
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I am coming round to automatic transmission in my old age ... Mercedes diesel auto ... Small engine, big car ... does 40mpg they said.
Me too, AC - in that car, at least. More basset hound than greyhound, I'd say - take your eye off it and it slips into 1,000rpm doze mode, although it will chase rabbits when roused. I wish your Spanish(-based?) friends could tell me how to get 40mpg out of mine, though.
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I have to give mine a jolly good thrashing to get it to go below 40mpg. 46 seems to be about where it has decided to settle. Best take those ladders and that bucket off the roof WDB. Cause drag they do.
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Have the grease monkeys check it over thoroughly nyx, a Rover V8 shouldn't really require a new timing chain and valve seals at 35,000 miles.
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I think those Rovers are often used in historic saloon car races.
Could be a demand for it in certain quarters........................
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Seals or seats perhaps, Dog?
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I don't know Kevin, I've owned a couple of Rover V8's and one was ex plod with a starship mileage,
but the engine was still sweet.
I also tuned a vast amount of said engines and apart from a bit of lifter trouble, I found them to be bullet proof.
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>I found them to be bullet proof.
My dad had three of 'em. A P5B, 3500S and an SD1 VDP. The only mechanical problem I can remember was a bearing failure in the gearbox of the 3500 that lunched the gearbox and diff.
A friend had an SD1 Vitesse with the Janspeed turbo conversion. Very low mileage because it wouldn't do more that 50 miles before breaking down.
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Still a good looker Humph - and that was 35 year ago man!
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I tuned a fair few P5B's, luved em I did, as good as a Roller in many ways.
One of my p6's (auto of course) in that awful sort-of puke green colour (which was actually OK) had much wonga thrown at it by a customer of mine before I exchanged green folding stuff for it.
He'd stuck some SD1 heads on it and uprated this n' that, went like the clappers it did, wouldn't mind it now actually :)
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The V8 SD1 is one of the best looking and finest sounding mass produced cars of all time IMHO. Its failings are forgiveable in that context. A school mate's dad had a metallic blue Twin Plenum Vitesse new on an A plate. Fast and gorgeous compared to the majority of the crap around at the time.
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>> The V8 SD1 is one of the best looking and finest sounding mass produced cars
>> of all time IMHO. Its failings are forgiveable in that context.
I loved mine. A V8 Auto Vanden Plas. I should have tried for a Vitesse but the dodgy Lucas fuel injection put me off. It was great fun to drive though, I got the back end out a few times, quite easy to do with a live rear axle.
I wish Rover had built them properly, but then maybe they wouldn't have been so affordable. There was usually a swimming pool in the boot and the electrics only worked when they decided. Mine had bad wind noise at speed. I still love the shape though, I think the earlier ones looked more aggressive at the front.
The P5B seats were out of this world.
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I had a Rover 3500 SE SD1 as a company car back along. I was 22. Didn't deserve it but boy...
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The aggressive look of the first SD1s made a huge impression on me at the time, especially in that sort of lion-yellow a lot of the press cars seemed to be. Part of it was the stylized longship badge in stamped metal, but Rover later bowed to traditionalists and reinstated the enamel badge instead. In hindsight, that may have been the beginning of the end, Rover's reluctance to leave behind the fuddy-duddies being its eventual undoing.
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>> Mine had bad wind noise at speed.
The passenger?
;>)
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Never owned one, but drove a manual extensively and an auto less so. The manual job being my best driving experience. Huge fun, big grins. Mind you it was 26 years ago. Mrs. Martin was preggers at the time. Surprised she didn't have an early delivery (I am told).
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>>and way smaller than i remember them years ago.
Its a bit sad really. I remember the Consul, my father had one. Particularly cool since they were driving them in the Sweeney. I remember the huge seats, and the general bulk of the thing - always kind of thought I'd get one some day.
When I saw one a year or two ago, its actually quite a small car - Very disillusioning.
And how did me and 4 of my mates fit in an Anglia, an A40 or a Popular - which were the three cars we had at the time. We went to Hayling in the Pop and the A40 and London in the Anglia.
We must have been nuts, and obviously very good friends.
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>>We must have been nuts, and obviously very good friends<<
'Coming out' has to begin somewhere I suppose.
:-)
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We've had three SD1s (and a P6 V8). The SD1 was a fine motor to drive - you could chuck it about like a Mini. One of the best driver's cars I remember - as was the P6. I liked the 'quartic' steering wheel too.
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I was down in Merano in Northern Italy a couple of weeks ago. I did a double take when I saw an SD1 parked at the side of the road on Italian plates. Didn't have time to stop and have a good look but it was obviously still a runner.
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I've seen three over here this year. One derelict in Menton in January, one covered in cobwebs in a disused showroom in the Auvergne and one on a forecourt in the Dordogne a few weeks ago.
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a bit of a revival.
I sold the Granada for £5k to a friend who wouldn't stop pestering me for it as he wanted it for his dads 60th birthday present so £3300 was a good result.
Now for the rover.
a ridiculous bargain £3500 for cash.
took it to some pals who were at the goodwood revival meeting and they could find nothing wrong with it and we took it round the track topping out at 151mph due to the fact that the owner hadn't mentioned any major engine work but someone had spent a small fortune on this rover v8 engine. power was measured at 287bhp which is plenty in a standard light car which originally came with 195hp i think.
this is a genuine mint condition car and when the team owner saw the car he began throwing money at me. he was desperate to buy it because he always wanted one as a kid but couldn't afford it. he has a Bentley and nothing else but wanted this rover.
in the end we settled on £9k and loan of the Bentley for last week to impress some friends.
was a superb car and a real head turner but a profit like that comes infrequently
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So it's a case of double your money and still a few quid left over for the boat, it must be nice having money.
;-)
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Now with the profit go and spoil yourself and the wife and have winter holiday. You know it makes sense to enjoy it. You made some short term risky decisions to enjoy two cars and profited. Therefore spend this and have quality time. We loved Greece on our recent trip and wished we weren't back and will return. One Greek holiday booked and we will go back for a holiday or even live where we were recently.
Carpe diem
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i have an open invitation to visit some friends in one of the Emirates so may go for a wee or two and leave the boys with my parents for a week.
Many Arabs seem to be car mad and he's no exception and many of the roads in the other states are very long, flat ish and fast.
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Ford - 1982 Granada 2.8i Ghia X estate - oilburner
