I hate hypocrisy more than almost anything else.
This morning on the M3 , I looked in my van mirrors, prior to pulling out in to lane 3 to overtake a lorry or two, overtaking 3 other lorries, the next time I looked in the mirror there were 5 police bikes, thinking Wtf did they come from, anyway I proceeded past the lorries at70 before moving back in, whereby these bikes zoomed past like I was stationary, they must have been doing well over 90., probably over the ton
Surely unless on emergency,, in which case surely they'd be on blues and twos, they are restricted to the same limits
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I always thought they were not allowed to exceed limits unlss on a call with the blue lights going
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Could have been riders under advanced training......usually out in groups with an instructor.
Ted
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>> I hate hypocrisy more than almost anything else.
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>> Should they be reported ? >.
Relax, and sleep easy, and have a read of this:
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&t=703979
"There's always someone who wonders why the Police have just gone past over the speed limit with no lights or sirens.
So I figured it would be a good idea, in a bid to avoid numerous threads asking the same questions, ..... "
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But if they'd had a bit bit of light and noise you'd probably had noticed them earlier?
Their problem, not yours!
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>>Their problem, not yours<,
But is it?
Shouldn't the OP have been paying more attention to his rear view mirror while in lane 3?
It could well have been an emergency vehicle on a mission and seeing their approach helps plan a way to ensure they have unimpeded progress.
Pat
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We had a 'Wotspur should pay more attention' thread after his accident the other week, so let's not turn this into another one.
While it's incumbent on all of us to keep up to date with what's behind us, big differences in speed do change the rules a bit because they increase the chance that a driver in front hasn't registered the arrival of the much faster vehicle. I think that transfers some of the responsibility on to the driver of the faster vehicle, to be super-aware of the actions and observations of slower drivers who may not have seen him. I'm sure this is part of police training, but it's something that may not occur to the average Gary in his M3.
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If it was the M3, they were racing to Krispy Kreme in Basingstoke, the lipstick blush Donuts run out after about 10:30.
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>> We had a 'Wotspur should pay more attention' thread after his accident the other week,
>> so let's not turn this into another one.
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Wotspur has form about such posts, used to have it on the other parallel site too.
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I Went to overtake on a straight bit of road, after we'd come off a major bend, I'm more interested of what is in front ofme when doing the speed limit and over taking two sets of lorries , than what Might come up behind me.... I drive a van,so I check my wing mirrors regularly so don't be high and mighty with your comments.
How frequently do u check your wing mirrors, if it had been an emergency, they'd have had blues and twos on, which I'd have heard, but Still wouldn't have increased my speed to enable them swift progress.... I found the link very usefull, I hope you did too
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>> I'm more interested of what is in front of me
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We know you are:
www.car4play.com/forum/post/index.htm?t=11283&m=250126&v=e
"A316 thank you.......git - wotspur"
>> when doing the speed limit
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We know how you do that:
www.car4play.com/forum/post/index.htm?v=e&t=10042&m=224333
"Which police force is most zealous - wotspur"
>> me.... I drive a van,so I check my wing mirrors regularly so don't be high
>> and mighty with your comments.
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We know how good you are with mirrors:
www.car4play.com/forum/post/index.htm?v=e&t=10892&m=241751
" Who has right of way.? - wotspur"
>> if it had been an emergency, they'd have had blues and twos on, which I'd have heard,
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Are you sure you can hear that well?
www.car4play.com/forum/post/index.htm?v=e&t=7338&m=162832
"blues and two's and red lights - wotspur"
"was surprised that whilst he had his lights on the siren was so quiet and neither were noticeable "
Last edited by: John H on Tue 18 Sep 12 at 22:39
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>> if it had been an emergency, they'd
>> have had blues and twos on, which I'd have heard,
No you wouldn't. Anything over 50 mph or so and the vehicle in front can't really hear them.
>> but Still wouldn't have increased
>> my speed to enable them swift progress....
Nice. So someone really needing help has a delay in receiving it, because of ***** like you.
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>> because of ***** like you.
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+1
Yep, his previous threads I have listed seem to indicate an attitude problem wrt Police and other road users.
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>> >> I hate hypocrisy more than almost anything else.
>> >> Should they be reported ? >.
>> Relax, and sleep easy, and have a read of this:
>> www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&t=703979
Also take a look at this www.bluelightaware.org.uk/ which is a link off the PH posting.
Note..... that in the video, you are clearly told to;
1/ not jump red traffic lights - unless directed to do so by a Police officer
2/ not to cross double white lines
3/ not to enter a bus lane.
3/ do not exceed the speed limit.
ie, blue lights do not authorise other road users to break the law....
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Why get involved in something you don't need to?
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A while back I was on a long straight bit of the A68 with no traffic (or cameras:-) ) and was rapidly being caught up by a Volvo. I slowed a bit, (just in case it was an unmarked plod) and as it went past at near 100mph I saw the "Police driver training" plate on the back. That would have surprised the inattentive mimser. :-) Ihave also seen two BMW 5 series Police training cars full of trainees having their lunch sandwiches in Fife, well away from their Durham base, you can cover a lot of ground at high speed.
Last edited by: Old Navy on Tue 18 Sep 12 at 09:07
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I recall eating sarnies and drinking our flask tea at 2 in the morning by the sea at Caernarfon on one of our courses. Hillman Hunter GT if I recall.
No North Wales expressway in them there days !
Ted
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High speed training in an urban environment is also done. I recall lounging about on our garage forecourt, (waiting for punters) set in a 30mph limit, being surprised by a convoy of police cars going along the road at a VERY high rate of knots.
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Glad to see that the BiB are getting training in the skills that they'll need to catch the bad guys.
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>> Glad to see that the BiB are getting training in the skills that they'll need to catch the bad guys.
+1.
At some point they'll have to thread through traffic at twice the speed of everyone else. I'd like them to be good at it.
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>> have to thread through traffic at twice the speed of everyone else. I'd like them to be good at it.
Yup. It was always a pleasure to squeeze out of their way with an illegal creep through a red light and receive a courteous wave as they blasted screaming and flashing down the space between the lanes in Marylebone Road.
When I was a Clapham minicab driver we had a friendly racing relationship with the local plod who used the same kebab joint as us over in Peckham. We thought they took unfair advantage of their lights and sirens in the wriggle-and-blast through busy Brixton at 3 am...
The other really elite squad of mobile fuzz are the Queen's biker outriders who have cut me up several times. But as well as being authoritative they are impeccably courteous, and the rolling operation makes hardly a ripple even in busy traffic. Real class.
Not cheap of course.
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>> High speed training in an urban environment is also done. I recall lounging about on
>> our garage forecourt, (waiting for punters) set in a 30mph limit, being surprised by a
>> convoy of police cars going along the road at a VERY high rate of knots.
Unlikely to be training. Normal training has all speed limits adhered to unless nationals.
Blue light runs, under training, are done in urban environments...but...you can usually spot them, as they are well slow. if you've spotted a very high rate of knots blue light run, it won't be training.
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They were escorting Jake Humphrey:
17 September
twitter.com/mrjakehumphrey/status/247780256835059712
Jake Humphrey @mrjakehumphrey
Today I saw 4 police motorbikes in convoy on M25, so I latched onto the back and pretended I had a police escort. Does that make me weird..?
twitter.com/mrjakehumphrey/status/247783512869072896
Jake Humphrey @mrjakehumphrey
“@JulieChappell3 How funny, how long did you get away with it?” >>From the M3 to the M40, the best 11 minutes of my driving life..!
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Anyway wotspur: report away. No one will take a blind bit of notice.
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>>I hate hypocrisy more than almost anything else.
Admirable.
I assume therefore, that you report yourself to the local constabulary every time you exceed a speed limit or broach any of the traffic laws?
I mean, you wouldn't want to be hypocritical or anything, would you.
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Should they be reported ? - mikeyb
