Motoring Discussion > Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost Miscellaneous
Thread Author: PeterS Replies: 119

 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - PeterS
For reasons best known to Avis the Audi A1 S Line I'd booked as a 'guaranteed model' (for its standard fit sat nav in hire car guise) turned out to be a Ford Focus estate. At 10:30pm I'm only willing to spend a few minutes arguing the case - if they don't have one they don't have one, and there's only so much they can do on-site...

The reason I wanted sat nav was that we'd planned on tacking a few days holiday onto work trip and tour around the Dundee area, before driving south to a wedding in N Yorks and from there back to Gatwick to collect my car. Factory sat nav with traffic updates would have just made life easier....but it wasn't to be...

As some of you will have seen in an earlier post, the car was described as a 1.6 TDCI Style on the paperwork, and after being initially pleased with its refinement the reality was it was actually a 1.0T eco boost in Zetec S trim. So refinement not that good after all...but it was virtually brand new. Under 200 miles and on a ’64 plate. However, after the best part of 1,000 miles I feel qualified to pass judgement on it, and hopefully the following is of use to someone...

To look at, in metallic black with privacy glass, it looked pretty good I thought. The 17" wheels suited it, and the brushed chrome roof rails lifted it just enough (though didn't completely stop it looking like a mini hearse...). The interior was standard black cloth, and the dash was 'complemented' with some brushed steel effect plastic highlights. Don't look too closely, or indeed touch them, and all is good...

The engine was surprisingly torquey, though the flattered by the gearing. It was possible to get the thing into 6th from around 45mph without too much trouble, though obviously it was flat as a panckake them. Driven like that economy was average - but driven with any desire to make progress and the economy suffered. On the other hand when revved the performance was Ok; better than I expected in fact. In the end I managed 35 mpg on what was probably 60% motorway and the balance being scottish and Yorkshire A/B roads with all they entail... Performance improved as the mileage increased, almost to the end of the hire in fact...

The drivers seat, while initially comfortable, suffered from virtually no thigh support and no tilt adjustment of the squab. The back rest on the other hand was incredibly supportive, and the (standard?) lumbar support good. So after a couple of hours in the seat it became quite uncomfortable on the thighs. This was exacerbated on motorway stretches because the car had no cruise control, which I still think is an odd omission on a model some way up the range. Rear passengers (only for short journeys) commented on the good headroom but average legroom. They also noticed that the car had no rear grab handles. Again, an odd omission. The front seat passenger moaned that there was no light on the vanity mirror either which again seemed penny pinching. Another odd things about it was the wing mirrors, which were very van like and I'm sure were taller than they were wide.

Off the motorways the handling was very predictable, and the car would certainly corner at some impressive speeds. It was less happy with potholes and rutted surfaces, when it would lose compusure pretty quickly, but on smoother roads was fine. It actually dealt with rough suraces pretty well, but the sudden 'thumps' and subsequent recovery were poorly handled. Steering had little feel, but was predictable.

Equipment wise it was poor, but worse than that the dash was back lit in blue (very VW 1998) and the displays were of a type I've not seen since a 1988 Sony Midi system, and coincidently the same colour. The top of the dashboard was a nice dense, squidgy plastic (1996 Audi A4) but the front was hard and shine (exactly the same finish as a 1994 Ford Escort) The cars bluetooth never worked, but I'm willing to blame iOs 8 for that...

Summary; a nice, tractable engine in a very practical package (from a space perspective) spoiled by substandard ride and refinement with some truly mean cost cutting.





And if that had been it I'd have broadly speaking been happy. After all, it was a hire car. However this (at the time) sub 1,000 mile car did go into limp home mode on the M1, round about Leicester. Some way from home. Running roughly, losing speed and the 'engine service' light illuminated. After drifting over to the hard shoulder and turning it off I did what any one else would have done in a hire car. Had a quick look to check no fluids were leaking out, and restarted it. No error messages and cleanly revving again. So off I went...

Just before Newport Pagnell services the 'low oil' warning light came on, so a quick detour to the services and a litre of oil (how much!?!?) later and all was well again. Not too unhappy - could have happened to anyone. New engine, low capacity, turbo charged, driven briskly. Some oil consumption to be expected. But coming off the M23 at Gatwick it came on again. Not so good, and clearly an unhappy engine. Man at Avis not surprised though - fourth Focus he'd seen with the same symptoms...

So in summary, a great engine on paper, and indeed to drive, but not one I'd be willing so put my own money into yet. The car as a package was also good, but let down by some truly mean penny pinching and some unnecessarily cheap materials. So near, but so far. I can see why VW is where the private buyers money goes...
Last edited by: VxFan on Tue 7 Oct 14 at 01:01
 Ford Focus III - Ford Focus 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - mikeyb
Ahh, I said in another post I thought you had a duff one to get that low an MPG!

Another thing you didn't mention but that bugged me was that all the tacky 90's stereo buttons are angled the wrong way - they are facing the driver as if it was a left hand drive. Lazy conversion, and not what you would expect of a car of that price tag

I've always thought that Ford interiors are a bit tacky, and its difficult to put my finger on, but even base VAG products still feel nicer to me
 Ford Focus III - Ford Focus 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - Auntie Lockbrakes
I had the same engine for a week in a rental Focus back in February. 12k miles on the clock. Thought the engine was streets ahead of the 1.6tdci I'd had in an identical car one week previously. But a couple of high speed runs up and down the M40 that week saw fuel consumption rocket. Certainly less than 30mpg. And that was with no luggage/passengers/weight on board.

There's no good excuse for a 1-week old car to give you trouble like that. Imagine if you'd just purchased it with your own money? Fury!
 Ford Focus III - Ford Focus 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - wokingham
Fuel consumption figures sound a bit like the the lamentable ones, obtained in real life, with the Fiat Twin Air engine.
 Ford Focus III - Ford Focus 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - PeterS
To be fair, if it could reliably deliver 35mpg + then I wouldn't be unhappy - performance was more than adequate, even with 4 adults and a child on board.

One thing I didn't mention was that it's actually quite a large car - subjectively on a par with a 3 series/A4/C class estates, albeit in their previous generation variants. A bit more money spent on equipment and the interior (and I reckon I'm talking less than £100 in parts/material cost) would take away the penny pinching feel, though it wouldn't address the design of the dashboard I don't think... In fact, they could save the cash by deleting the auto folding wing mirrors - they're so shallow that folding them must shave literally millimetres from the width of the car ;-)
 Ford Focus III - Ford Focus 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - Old Navy
I have not used this engine, my theory is it is a glorified lawnmower engine which has to shift a big lump of steel around the real world. It is highly stressed and no way is it going to give good fuel consumption. I prefer diesels and believe that a sensible sized engine, be it petrol or diesel, is the best compromise.

Feel free to call me a dinosaur. :)
 Ford Focus III - Ford Focus 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - Focusless
Had a day with the engine in a Fiesta last year, which it gets to 62mph 2 seconds faster than the Focus (9.4 v 11.5). Seemed pretty good in that.
 Ford Focus III - Ford Focus 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - Old Navy
>> Had a day with the engine in a Fiesta last year, which it gets to
>> 62mph 2 seconds faster than the Focus (9.4 v 11.5). Seemed pretty good in that.
>>

How often did you use this 0-62 acceleration to its maximum and what was the fuel consumption using it like this?
Last edited by: Old Navy on Tue 7 Oct 14 at 09:29
 Ford Focus III - Ford Focus 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - Focusless
>> How often did you use this 0-62 acceleration to its maximum

I was just using the figures to attempt to illustrate that it would have felt livelier than in Peter's Focus (which I haven't driven).

>> and what was the fuel consumption using it like this?

No idea.
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - WillDeBeest
...the car had no rear grab handles.

Never understood why a car needs handles anywhere but the doors. Are they for the kind of people who can't walk along the aisle of a plane without grabbing the top of every seat along the way?
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - madf
>> ...the car had no rear grab handles.
>>
>> Never understood why a car needs handles anywhere but the doors. Are they for the
>> kind of people who can't walk along the aisle of a plane without grabbing the
>> top of every seat along the way?
>>

If you had old ladies (or men) as passengers more often, you would realise grab handles are essential...............
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - PeterS
Exactly that - for those of limited mobility they do make it easier to get in and out, particularly as the rear doors are not actually that large, and indeed don't opening very wide

And also, where's the rep supposed to hang a jacket ;-)
Last edited by: PeterS on Tue 7 Oct 14 at 10:54
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - CGNorwich
Never understood why a car needs handles anywhere but the doors. Are they for the
>> kind of people who can't walk along the aisle of a plane without grabbing the
>> top of every seat along the way?

Yes they are for people with limited mobility. One day you will be using them yourself.
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - WillDeBeest
One day you will be using them yourself.
I see, but you seem very certain. Make it 'may' and I'll agree with you.
}:---)
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - ....
>> Just before Newport Pagnell services the 'low oil' warning light came on, so a quick
>> detour to the services and a litre of oil (how much!?!?) later and all was
>> well again. Not too unhappy - could have happened to anyone. New engine, low capacity,
>> turbo charged, driven briskly. Some oil consumption to be expected. But coming off the M23
>> at Gatwick it came on again. Not so good, and clearly an unhappy engine. Man
>> at Avis not surprised though - fourth Focus he'd seen with the same symptoms...
>>
Sounds like it has had a red line run in.
I had a car needed a bottom end rebuild after 18,000 miles. It was using a litre of oil every 300 miles. Manufacturer tried the "that's within tolerance" route.

I could not see any oil, no plumes of blue smoke or black soot stuck to the rear bumper around the exhaust pipe, the exhaust itself was 'normal', the oil was was going somewhere.

These 1.0 ecoboost engines have been run at well over 200bhp so can't see why 125bhp would trouble it. There is a 140bhp version available in the Fiesta.
Last edited by: gmac on Tue 7 Oct 14 at 11:32
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - Focusless
>> These 1.0 ecoboost engines have been run at well over 200bhp so can't see why
>> 125bhp would trouble it. There is a 140bhp version available in the Fiesta.

It'll be in the Mondeo soon:
www.ford.co.uk/FordFleet/NewsAndReviews/FordForBusiness/2012/September/Next-Generation-Mondeo
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - DP
These engines are technically incredible. 125hp from a tiny 3 pot engine with a footprint no larger than a sheet of A4 paper. But I struggle to see the point in the real world.

My dad ran a 2.0 EFi Twin Cam Sierra estate back in the 90s with the same 125hp, that would do 35 mpg on a motorway run with no effort at all, and in a larger car. The same engine also did 180,000 miles and was still running fine when the car was scrapped through body rot.

In hard figures outside of a test environment, where is the progress?

 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - Gromit
When new car buyers go back to buying cars that will last 180,000 miles, Ford will go back to fitting lighlty stressed 2 litre engines.

Meanwhile, the new car buyer wants low headline CO2 figures for lower tax, and probably doesn't intend keeping the car longer than 5 years. So he gets what he wants.

Also, if each engine is only the size of a few reams of A4 paper, imagine how much raw material Ford will save on the thousands of ecoboost blocks they'll make instead of Sierra/old Mondeo sized ones in a year...

(Remember - this is the company who specified which side of the steel billet the sheet metal for Cortina fuel tanks was to come from so they could be made a few thou thinner!)
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - CGNorwich
>> These engines are technically incredible. 125hp from a tiny 3 pot engine with a footprint no larger than a sheet of A4 paper. But I struggle to see the point in the real world.

Same power less weight, more fuel efficient, less resources being used in manufacture, smaller size gives more design flexibilty. If that is not an improvement it's hard to understand what would be.
Last edited by: VxFan on Thu 9 Oct 14 at 10:36
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - Bill Payer
It seems there are some questions about reliability - there was a recent thread on PistonHeads from someone who just had a second failure, both happening at just over 30K miles. Snag with the second one was being just over 60K took the car out of warranty, although after a bit of back and forth Ford did cover the cost in full.

Issue appears to be related to loss of water – there’s so little (and I’m thinking the same is relevant to the oil comment above) that if the car loses any the engine instantly cooks itself.
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - jc2
>> Issue appears to be related to loss of water – there’s so little (and I’m
>> thinking the same is relevant to the oil comment above) that if the car loses
>> any the engine instantly cooks itself.
>>
>> My 1.24 Fiesta warms up quicker than any previous Ford I've owned-probably due to low water content which improves efficiency.
Last edited by: jc2 on Thu 9 Oct 14 at 11:30
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - spamcan61
>> My 1.24 Fiesta warms up quicker than any previous Ford I've owned-probably due to
>> low water content which improves efficiency.
>>

I'd rather have a less fragile engine and a marginal increase in warm up time.
Last edited by: VxFan on Thu 9 Oct 14 at 12:51
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - jc2
>> >> My 1.24 Fiesta warms up quicker than any previous Ford I've owned-probably due to
>> >> low water content which improves efficiency.
>> >>
>>
>> I'd rather have a less fragile engine and a marginal increase in warm up time.


>> The 1.24 Fiesta has a conventional non-turbo four cylinder engine designed by Yamaha.
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - spamcan61
I'll get me coat :-)
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - DP

>> Same power less weight, more fuel efficient, less resources being used in manufacture, smaller size
>> gives more design flexibilty. If that is not an improvement it's hard to understand what
>> would be.

But it isn't more economical outside of a lab. And it's almost certainly going to be less reliable.
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - ....

>> In hard figures outside of a test environment, where is the progress?
>>

That Sierra engine was near/at the end of its life when it was producing 125hp, these one litres are the starting point. They have already bumped the power to 140PS in the Fiesta and have been running them at over 200PS.

These new engines are also Euro 5 compliant something you couldn't say of the 80's Ford engines some of which looked like they ran on coal rather than any liquid fuel.
Last edited by: VxFan on Thu 9 Oct 14 at 12:52
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - DP
>> That Sierra engine was near/at the end of its life when it was producing 125hp,
>> these one litres are the starting point. They have already bumped the power to 140PS
>> in the Fiesta and have been running them at over 200PS.
>>
>> These new engines are also Euro 5 compliant something you couldn't say of the 80's
>> Ford engines some of which looked like they ran on coal rather than any liquid
>> fuel.

From a consumer point of view, from the perspective of the end user and the customer, I still argue the progress is minimal.
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - Gromit
If the typcial consumer really wanted incremental improvements for best reliability and long life from their cars, the UK's roads would be full of petrol Toyotas, Hondas and Subarus*.

Instead you have more euro wotsit diesel 3 series than Mondeos. Ford have taken the hint.

* Like they buy in, oh, the US and Australia, where buyers are spending their own money (not buying for fleets) and epxect the car to do at least a quarter of a million miles...
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - ....
In 1990 if you said to your dad in a little over 20 years his 1125kgs Sierra would be replaced by a bigger car which was the future Escort weighing in at nearer 1.5tonnes and give him similar performance from half the capacity leaving out the voice activated everything he wouldn't see any progress in engine technology?
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - TheManWithNoName
I've been interested in this engine for a while since my dad bought a Focus 18 months ago. It must be seen as progress because Peugeot's Pure Tech engine is also small capacity and being installed in the large 508 SW and the Seat Leon Estate has VAG's 1.2 TSI.
If ever my old diesel dies I will replace it with a similar sized estate and would most likely consider something with a small capacity petrol engine.
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - rtj70
Well I've replaced a 170PS 2.0D diesel with a 150PS 1.4T petrol car today. When I fill it up (it came with half a tank) to full I'll then work out true MPG. I've got a 20p off a litre at Tesco for when I do fill it up.
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - WillDeBeest
There are some here who would have (and possibly some who actually have) decried as it was first mooted every motoring innovation since the end of the red flag. "It'll be hopelessly unreliable," they usually tell us. And yet where are all the universal innovations (catalysts, Euro IV-V, turbos...) that have fallen out of use because of reliability problems?

Turns out the bloke in his shed with his big hammer isn't the source of all wisdom after all. Why should the trend to small, high output engines - the likely last hurrah of the piston engine in any case - be any different?
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - Old Navy
The most pleasant engine that I have driven was a five point something litre V8. It had enough torque to twist the car when reved in neutral. Petrol was 22 cents a gallon and I wasn't paying for it or the car. Oh joy. :>)
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - Armel Coussine
>> There are some here who would have (and possibly some who actually have) decried as it was first mooted every motoring innovation

I like the crunchy thrum of 3 cylinder engines, which have after all a long and distinguished pedigree - not just Saab and DKW but way back. Royce made at least one 3 cylinder car before he even met Rolls... A friend has recently acquired a late 3 cylinder Fiesta and I liked the sound of that too when I went in it. As for the latest sub-one-litre Twingo with the 3 cyl unit at the back, with a turbo model for those who fancy it, well yes please.

Small cars are a bit harsh over any distance when you're my age though. I'm an old-fashioned person and would really prefer a decently muted smallish snorting monster, big enough to be comfortable as well as rapid. No way I'll ever be able to afford it (or even a hotshoe Twingo come to that).

Oh, and I meant to add: however durable these little A4 sized engines may be, it seems odd to an old-fashioned cat to have one in a lumbering great Mondeo or similar. Perverse, even if the screaming of the tortured little mill is well suppressed and shut away in a series of insulated boxes to make it inaudible.
Last edited by: Armel Coussine on Thu 9 Oct 14 at 15:35
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - Old Navy
>> Well I've replaced a 170PS 2.0D diesel with a 150PS 1.4T petrol car today.
>>

You may have lots of "PS" but you use torque to drive.
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - Manatee
>> >> Well I've replaced a 170PS 2.0D diesel with a 150PS 1.4T petrol car today.
>> >>
>>
>> You may have lots of "PS" but you use torque to drive.

Generally no comparative shortage of torque with a turbo.

e.g.

2007 Ford Focus 1.8i, 125PS, max torque 165Nm @4000rpm

2013 Skoda Octavia 1.2 TSI, 105PS, max torque 175Nm @ 1400-4000rpm

0-100kph 10.3s for both.
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - rtj70
>> You may have lots of "PS" but you use torque to drive.

I mention the PS values to show which engine my Passat and A3 have. The 170PS diesel hat 350Nm of torque. The 1.4T petrol has only 250Nm - the max for the 7 speed dry clutch DSG.
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - ....
>> >> You may have lots of "PS" but you use torque to drive.
>>
>> I mention the PS values to show which engine my Passat and A3 have. The
>> 170PS diesel hat 350Nm of torque. The 1.4T petrol has only 250Nm - the max
>> for the 7 speed dry clutch DSG.
>>

Oops! That's torn it, the flat earth society will have a field day now.

1.4 that shuts down two cylinders, dry clutch DSG, 250Nm vs 350Nm. Wouldn't need 7 gears if it had a decent amount of torque...and on...and on...ZZZZzzzzz

Tin hat time.
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - Manatee
>> Oops! That's torn it, the flat earth society will have a field day now.
>>
>> 1.4 that shuts down two cylinders, dry clutch DSG, 250Nm vs 350Nm. Wouldn't need 7
>> gears if it had a decent amount of torque...and on...and on...ZZZZzzzzz
>>
>> Tin hat time.

Do you not agree, gmac, that a flat earth would have many advantages compared with the oblate spheroid we inhabit? Greenland wouldn't look enormous, and we could shove all our rubbish off the edge.

rtj70 - you are now the canary in my coal mine. The DQ200 7 speed DSG in the boss's Popemobile only has 175Nm to cope with, so yours should break first.

Give it some beans and let us know how you get on!
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - Avant
Rob, when you've done some miles in the A3, your observations on low-down pulling power compared with the diesel Passat would be interesting. The 2.0 TSI in my Octavia is excellent in this respect, but a 1.4 might do all right for me next time provided it doesn't have the same problems as the Ford 1.0T - which by all accounts seems to use more petrol than the Octavia.
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - Focusless
>> >> Well I've replaced a 170PS 2.0D diesel with a 150PS 1.4T petrol car today.
>>
>> You may have lots of "PS" but you use torque to drive.

My old 2.0 Focus estate had 130bhp and about 180Nm; that felt quite torquey and easy to drive. I can imagine RTJ's new machine with an extra (approx) 15% power plus 38% more torque goes pretty well :)
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - rtj70
I've not gone far in it yet - but I will later when the roads are quiet. And I'll have a play with the DSG flappy paddles etc. too.

Off the line I know it's as quick as the Passat CC was with it's diesel engine. But I imagine it will change down a few gears if you want to push on and accelerate quickly.

Of course I'll have to have a play with the various driving modes. The only way you'll get close to the claimed mpg figures is if you leave it in economy mode when it has a coasting function (revs drop to idle).

So far I quite like it. But then it wasn't a cheap car. With the options I selected, it is more than £30k. A lot for an A3!

It will be interesting to see how it compares to the 1.8T I had in a few cars. That was only 150PS and had only 205Nm of torque. But that was only mildly turbo charged so to speak - it was 125PS as a normally aspirated engine.
Last edited by: rtj70 on Thu 9 Oct 14 at 17:40
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - commerdriver
>> Off the line I know it's as quick as the Passat CC was with it's
>> diesel engine.

Off the line is not the diesel's forte, although modern ones seem to do not too badly. Far more important is the "overtaking zone" behaviour as seen in the times in high gear and lower gears.
I would be interested to know how this compares as I have not driven a rapid petrol engined car for some time.

That's the area that will probably keep me in a diesel car next time when I am paying for it myself (for the first time since 1988, and only the second time ever, not counting the Commer)
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - rtj70
>> Far more important is the "overtaking zone" behaviour as seen in the times in high gear and lower gears.

I am sure I'll miss the torque of the diesel. But this is saving me money every month compared to the Passat CC.

But in gear times aren't so important when you've got a DSG.
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - Runfer D'Hills

>> But in gear times aren't so important when you've got a DSG.

Indeed, I can see that. I guess in those circumstances you're just grateful to note that it's still going at all.

;-)
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - rtj70
Driven it a bit more on varied roads. I like it. It will be interesting to find out what MPG I can get out of it on motorway runs and also local traffic. I suspect I will actually get better MPG for local runs but not as good on motorways compared to the diesels I've had.

Most of the driving so far has been in eco mode. And at times the car went into coasting mode. And others into two cylinder mode too - you'd not know it had done that apart from the MFD telling you it was doing that.

Car is also comfortable and I was right not to go for adaptive suspension (costly). And headlights as expected very good - it came with bi-xenons but I upgraded them to be adaptive.

Sat nav I've played with a bit. More playing needed. I like the fact it tells you the next three instructions on the main display - probably can be turned off but I don't think I will.
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - Manatee

>> So far I quite like it. But then it wasn't a cheap car. With the
>> options I selected, it is more than £30k. A lot for an A3!

Good Lord you could have got an S3 Quattro for that.

What sort of car enthusiast are you!
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - WillDeBeest
A tax-paying one, as he does occasionally mention.
};---)
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - Manatee
>> A tax-paying one, as he does occasionally mention.
>> };---)

I was afraid of that. When somebody else paid for my cars I just went for the best one on offer:)

I did think of swapping the Outlander for an S3, my daughter and her husband were mooting selling theirs, but the S3 isn't homologated for towing.
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - WillDeBeest
Good lord, you want to hang a shed on the back?

What kind of car enthusiast are you?
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 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - Manatee
Ah well, yes but no but, it's not there all the time, is it?

My requirement is for a multipurpose machine.
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - rtj70
The S3 Saloon starts at about £33k I think. Or thereabouts. The Golf R and Leon Cupra were all also options. But high emissions would mean they were costly. Not that I couldn't afford it.

But in 3 years I did 22.5k miles in the Passat CC. Of that, business miles was probably 300.

As a private buyer my mileage since 2007 wouldn't justify a diesel. But BIK means I'd go for them anyway (Mondeo was even exempt from the diesel BIK charge all that time ago). So far the Audi A3 is looking good - a bit small perhaps.
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - Zero
>> Ah well, yes but no but, it's not there all the time, is it?
>>
>> My requirement is for a multipurpose machine.

buy a JCB then
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - Manatee

>> buy a JCB then

An idea with some merit. I could clear away road humps on my journeys.
Last edited by: VxFan on Fri 10 Oct 14 at 01:42
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - Zero
>> An idea with some merit. I could clear away road humps on my journeys.

And fill in the pot holes.
Last edited by: VxFan on Fri 10 Oct 14 at 01:42
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - swiss tony
>> buy a JCB then
>>
>>
This one? youtu.be/y80HKtAleqE
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - rtj70
My first company car was a hand-me-down Astra 1.4 petrol... I think it was 80PS but maybe 90PS? But it was an auto.... Who would buy a 1.4 auto! To make any sort of progress it drank fuel.... I finally got the fuel category for expenses changed!

This A3 1.4T DSG/S-Tronic is a bit nicer than an M plate 1.4 torque converter auto I can tell you.

:-)
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - Auntie Lockbrakes
Do keep us up to date on your thoughts about the DSG 'box rtj70. I'll be getting the same engine and DSG S-tronic in my new Audi A1 next week, albeit without cylinder-on-demand and 122bhp output.

I'm guessing that the A1 weighs less than your A3 saloon to compensate :-)
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - Old Navy
Throughout this thread I get the feeling that some people have fallen for the manufacturers bullshine and hype.

These tiny highly stressed turbo petrol engines are not about the end users fuel consumption, engine durability, or quality of drive. It is about avoiding corporate taxes. In the attached report read "Challenging targets" as "Tax penalties".

Joe public will only buy these engines with their own money if they are cheaper to run in real world use, they prove to be reliable, prove to be durable, and they see through the hype.

www.smmt.co.uk/co2report/#responsiveTabs1
Last edited by: Old Navy on Fri 10 Oct 14 at 08:10
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - Old Navy
EDIT-

The last sentence should read "or they fall for the hype".
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - WillDeBeest
Starting handles, ON.

More seriously, you seem to hanker for a lost world in which you enjoyed the illusion of endless abundance. Technologies to make better use of finite resources - in terms of the earth's ability both to provide and to soak up - are a necessary and inevitable response to such constraints. Wishing it was still 1965 and you were still in a small minority that even had access to a car won't get you far.
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - Old Navy
>> Starting handles, ON.
>>
>> More seriously, you seem to hanker for a lost world ........
>>

Why do you think Aston Martin sell (sold?) Rebadged Toyota IQs, and Mercedes sell the Smart car ? To help reduce their total range C02 output and ease the penalties for the big engined models.
Last edited by: Old Navy on Fri 10 Oct 14 at 19:31
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - PeterS
Whilst there is some truth in the resources statement, the real issue IMO is that taxes focus on one area - the resources consumed in operation, while ignoring the resources used in manufacture and subsequent end of life recycling (or otherwise...)
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - WillDeBeest
Taxes, maybe, Peter but whole-life costs still favour the make-it-last approach. Until it breaks, the cost of replacing my fully-depreciated S60 with (say) a plug-in Golf GTE would hugely outweigh any fuel savings the Golf might achieve, even if it achieved double the Volvo's 45mpg.

The taxes and penalties are there to encourage manufacturers to offer efficient new models and buyers to choose them when they are buying new. The Aston Martin example is clearly an absurdity, but is too small-scale to matter in the bigger picture. Mercedes has restructured its entire range towards smaller cars, of which the Smart is merely the smallest. Whether it's any good at small cars is a topic for another thread.
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - PeterS
Oh I agree, it's just that I think that the whole life costs of the new breed of complex engines will, to start with, be much higher as their complexity means their life is likely to end much earlier than before. And then we are left with the problem of (and waste) or disposing of a more complex mix of material when the rest of the vehicle is still serviceable.

Of course the next step will be to make the rest of the car last for less time...Wasn't it Ford who were the master of making sure the whole car fell apart at the same time - a master piece of 'just good enough' engineering or, brilliant commercial sense depending on whether you were left holding the can at the point it happened ;-)
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - ....
>> Wasn't it Ford who were the master of making sure the whole car
>> fell apart at the same time - a master piece of 'just good enough' engineering
>> or, brilliant commercial sense depending on whether you were left holding the can at the
>> point it happened ;-)
>>
So in my post further down this thread (11:27) when is this 180,000 kms car going to fall apart at the same time? The car has done what ? 9 years average mileage and is still going. What is "Just good enough" ? Or was that a one off special build ?

Humph's Mondeo must have been a Vignale prototype.
Last edited by: gmac on Fri 10 Oct 14 at 21:17
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - PeterS
Touchy... ;-)

They'll be fine on the whole I'm sure. But mine broke :-)
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - ....
Why touchy ? I simply pointed out one which had done 9 years worth of motoring and questioned what was "just good enough".
Toyota's are just good enough at 7 years and yet there are many on here who think you can't buy better than Japanese engineering.

I simply asked the question what is "Just good enough?"

My FIAT Coupe broke at 18 months. Still loved it as a car and would rate is as one of my top three and probably number one in terms of performance for the time and load capacity for my needs at the time.
Last edited by: gmac on Fri 10 Oct 14 at 21:33
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - ....
P.S. If you could hire a Citroën Cactus with the 1.2 110PS doomed to failure engine would appreciate your feedback. My wife has a test drive booked for next Wednesday, would appreciate a second opinion,

I pointed one out as a maybe and she apparently fell in love with the car. OK, so I look like Quasimodo, what can a man do ?
Last edited by: gmac on Fri 10 Oct 14 at 22:05
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - PeterS
Citroen engines are fine :-). And you're buying new, so you'll know how it's been treated. It'll be fine. But I wouldn't buy an ex hire one ;-)
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - ....
True, It's probably been thrashed within an inch of it's life. I know I would !!!
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - PeteW
>> P.S. If you could hire a Citroën Cactus with the 1.2 110PS doomed to failure
>> engine would appreciate your feedback. My wife has a test drive booked for next Wednesday,
>> would appreciate a second opinion,

The 1.2 110 is only lightly turbo'd from the standard 82, so no great stress there. Pulls well, sounds okay in the typical 3 cylinder manner and is very clean and fuel efficient.
Might have a bit of a wait though to order as Peugeot got first nibs on the production and distribution of this engine...
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - Notdoctorchris
I run a car with a low capacity turbo petrol engine, a Dacia Logan MCV with the Renault 0.9TCe engine. It's a curious mix of dated Dacia technology with a very modern engine but I like it a lot.
I'm not entering the field of whether claimed mpg can be obtained but for a large capacity estate car very good economy can be obtained. I think that to achieve good economy it is necessary to change up a gear at a relatively low rpm. The nature of 3, and especially 2 cylinder engines can make this counterintuitive as these engines seem to be labouring at lower rpm. This is particularly so of the Fiat Twinair engine, which I experienced in a Panda 4x4. At low rpm it is like riding a single cylinder 4-stroke motorcycle in terms of noise and vibration.

Back to the Renault 0.9TCe engine. It is happy to chug along, cruising at low rpm but for overtaking, when the turbo kicks in, it gives bursts of satisfying and smooth power. The turbo whines and whistles away in an amusing way and the 3 cylinders produce a hearty "thrum" especially as you pull from 40mph upwards in 5th gear. It never gives a sense of "stressed" or unreliable, although after only 3,000 miles I'm in no position to assess this properly.
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - ....
>> Joe public will only buy these engines with their own money if they are cheaper
>> to run in real world use, they prove to be reliable, prove to be durable,
>> and they see through the hype.
>>
Cheaper than what to run?
My first car was a 1300 4 speed petrol from the mid-70's. That car couldn't crack 30mpg with 75bhp, leaked oil between the head and block and was scrap before it got to 100,000 miles.

Reliable and durable ? I know of a car with one of these highly stressed, doomed to leave the driver stranded at the side of the road, engines that has just had its 180,000 kms service at less than 2 years old. It must be due to fall off the planet somewhere near Greenland any day now :-)
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 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - Manatee
Nick, I bought the Popemobile with the DQ200 DSG, the dry clutch 7 speed, because the boss always liked her automatic Civic, though she drives manuals too.

I was curious to find out what it was like to live with, but having driven it fairly regularly myself for 3 months I have reluctantly come to the conclusion that for a keen driver who wants to control and understand what the car is doing DSG is pointless, or even a nuisance, unless you must have a two pedal car.

OK, so we don't have the steering wheel pulls, but driving 'manually' is just a chore in everyday use and on too many occasions when manual control is actually useful it is wrongfooted (i.e. has the wrong gear pre-engaged).

'D' is fairly seamless in operation it's true, but it's always in the highest possible gear and feels like coasting. 'S' is the opposite and will hang pointlessly on to third gear in a 30 limit.

The result is that I end up using mainly D for the suburban trundling, at which it is good enough, S for brisk bendy bits or where I want a bit more control (slow bends and other hazards) and manual in stop start traffic so I can keep it in first - otherwise it selects second as soon as the car is rolling, just as you lift off again...

One thing to keep in mind is that pressing the brake pedal when stationary puts the clutch out, i.e. disengages it. This is important for two reasons -

- if you are in stop/start conditions, you need to develop the habit of keeping your foot positively on the brake when stopped - otherwise the clutch will remain at the bite point, increasing wear and building up heat. About the only clue in the handbook for the Popemobile to this is that it tells you NOT to hold the car on the accelerator, which whilst it might feel natural to an habitual auto driver is actually the equivalent of slipping the clutch in a manual; and

- at junctions, leave it in gear and keep foot on brake. If you go into neutral, when you put it back into D, even though 1st and reverse are pre-selected on their different shafts, there will be a short hiatus while the relevant clutch is brought to the bite point. If you hit the accelerator before that happens you will get a jerky take-off. Don't use the handbrake with the car in gear as it again leaves the clutch at the bite point (on ours it does anyway).

The boss hasn't complained but does knock it into manual and first gear before turning into the drive, to avoid a second gear/clutch slip scenario.

To me it is a real PITA still. Rob/rtj70 has I think much more experience of these devices so maybe he has found a way to live with them.

I suspect that what will happen with me is that I will learn to ignore some of the idiosyncrasies, and unconsciously drive around the others.

If I was buying it again I'd go for the manual, without a doubt; but it's mainly 'her' car and she hasn't complained.

I hope it you take to it better than I have!

Last edited by: Manatee on Fri 10 Oct 14 at 09:06
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - rtj70
>> Rob/rtj70 has I think much more experience of these devices

I had an A3 S-Tronic demo for a weekend. And now I have this one as of yesterday. I think you have more experience. I also had a Golf GT diesel S-Tronic and I was not that impressed. I wonder if it's petrol vs. diesel that makes a difference?
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - Manatee
>> >> Rob/rtj70 has I think much more experience of these devices
>>
>> I had an A3 S-Tronic demo for a weekend. And now I have this one
>> as of yesterday. I think you have more experience. I also had a Golf GT
>> diesel S-Tronic and I was not that impressed. I wonder if it's petrol vs. diesel
>> that makes a difference?

The Popemobile is petrol, a 1.2TSI 105PS. Nippy enough.

I hope not to have alarmed you, and that you adapt to yours OK. There seem to be many happy customers out there.

I can still enjoy driving in the car, but I feel I am doing more 'driving' than I have to do in a manual!

The answer may be to persist with the manual gear changing until it becomes completely intuitive, but that does seem to defeat the object unless you only have one leg.

It'll be interesting to hear your own conclusions in due time!
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - Runfer D'Hills
We've had two DSG equipped cars on our company fleet. Both gearboxes failed in use. We'll not be buying any more cars with these fitted unless or until there is widespread evidence that they are improved. TCs or manuals only until then.
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - Manatee
Job's comforter!
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - Runfer D'Hills
Yeah, sorry !

;-)
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - Enderman

>>>"if you are in stop/start conditions, you need to develop the habit of keeping your foot positively on the brake when stopped"


Which angers the heck out of me on commutes when it's dark and I'm in the car behind!

Even worse if it's a car with rear lights like those on the latest Honda Jazz : "We've only got 4 LEDs to go at in the cluster here lads, so they're going to have to be piercingly bright!"

By the time everyone's stop-started a quarter of a mile and it's finally my turn at the T-junction, all I can see is the mass of green splodges remnant on my retina.

Yet another benefit to safety. Not.
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - Manatee
>>
>> >>>"if you are in stop/start conditions, you need to develop the habit of keeping your
>> foot positively on the brake when stopped"
>>
>>
>> Which angers the heck out of me on commutes when it's dark and I'm in
>> the car behind!

I agree. Some here say it doesn't bother them; obviously not all eyes are the same.

In a 'normal' auto, I'd set the handbrake; in a DSG, that leaves the engine tugging against the brake via the slipping clutch for quite a while before it gets the message and drops into neutral (so I'm told, I can't bear to wait that long, and neither would I want to do it repeatedly).
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - Old Navy
>>Even worse if it's a car with rear lights like those on the latest Honda
>> Jazz : "We've only got 4 LEDs to go at in the cluster here lads,
>> so they're going to have to be piercingly bright!"
>>
>>

My Yaris has all LED rear lights, they illuminate anything stopped close behind well, the brake lights flood light it. I would not like to be stopped behind one with its brake lights on in the dark. They almost make the reversing lights redundant.
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - rtj70
>> Which angers the heck out of me on commutes when it's dark and I'm in the car behind!

My A3 has LED taillights which are quite bright so I didn't want to do what most do and keep my foot on the foot brake. But I wasn't 100% sure if I put on the electronic parking brake that was okay when still in gear.

I guessed it probably was because the car knows the brake has been applied so should know to disengage the clutch. Handbook not that helpful saying you should always hold the car on the brake when stationary - well did that include the electronic parking brake or not? So I called Audi and asked.
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - Manatee
>>Handbook not that helpful saying you should always hold
>> the car on the brake when stationary - well did that include the electronic parking
>> brake or not? So I called Audi and asked.

Did you get a sensible answer? Does the clutch immediately disengage?

I have tried the handbrake when the Popemobile is in gear, and the car is tugging against the brake.

Even with a manual handbrake, the car is "aware" that it is on. Possibly the difference with the EPB is that "on" should mean firmly on.
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - rtj70
>> Did you get a sensible answer? Does the clutch immediately disengage?

I had to explain a few times what I was trying to get the answer to. It was only then they put me on hold to speak to a technical person. The response was use either foot brake or EPB.

>> I have tried the handbrake when the Popemobile is in gear, and the car is tugging against the brake.

I can't feel it trying to do anything when engine is running and EPB is on. But then most of the time the engine has turned itself off when stationary (stop/start). But when I have had the engine running I don't think it's trying to do anything. But maybe that's because it knows EPB is on as it did it at my request? I still will do more testing as I would want to cause any damage.
Last edited by: rtj70 on Thu 16 Oct 14 at 22:31
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - Manatee
I'd forgotten about the stop-start. The Roomster has no such sophistication:)
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - rtj70
Note I opted not to go for the hill-hold option. I thought it was worth it (and standard) on the manual Passat CC. But with a DSG it would have to be turned off when 'creeping'. Touch the brakes and it would engage.

Also, a reason why I think/hope the car can deal with this is the option for adaptive cruise control on the A3 with S-Tronic gearbox supports speeds of 0-100mph. That is it will bring the car to a stop and then start up again and accelerate when traffic moves. So you just need to steer.
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - Stuartli
>>These engines are technically incredible. 125hp from a tiny 3 pot engine with a footprint no larger than a sheet of A4 paper. But I struggle to see the point in the real world.>>

The mid 1990s Daihatsu Charade gtti had a three cylinder 999cc turbocharged engine which produced 99bhp and a 0-60mph figure of 7.7 seconds - quicker than the Golf GTi.

My Jetta Sport's 1.4-litre170PS TSi engine offers 177Nm of torque which is available from just over tickover to around 4,500rpm, with around 80 per cent after that to 6,000rpm. Average mileage for most types of road use over the month is 43mpg.
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - Old Navy
Not much new in the motoring world, a colleague had one of these in the 60s. All it needed was a turbo,...........

www.sportscarmarket.com/columns/profiles/affordable-classics/2876-the-tiny-high-revving-honda-s500-s600-s800
Last edited by: Old Navy on Fri 10 Oct 14 at 20:38
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - ....
>> Not much new in the motoring world, a colleague had one of these in the
>> 60s. All it needed was a turbo,...........
>>
Which KKK couldn't produce until the 80's and Honda have gone with in 2014.

Where was that turbo in the 60's? Why didn't Honda just whack one on? Jobs a good 'un as they say in shed engineering terms .

Imagine what a Civic will do in 2020 when they discover variable vains...

As an aside ON why are you back in a Toy Yoda ? Didn't you have a Kia or Hyundai Ford lookilickey? I saw you in a diesel for your low miles. Isn't that a recipe for disaster?
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - Old Navy
>>
>> As an aside ON why are you back in a Toy Yoda ? Didn't you
>> have a Kia or Hyundai Ford lookilickey? I saw you in a diesel for your
>> low miles. Isn't that a recipe for disaster?
>>

Our last car was a Hyundai ix35 which we did not like, it was too big and clumsy for our type of mainly local use ( usually within a 100 or so mile radius). As for the DPF, the ix35 was our first car with one and as I suspected it was not a problem. I don't think it ever regenerated and as far as I can tell the Toyota hasn't either although it has only done about 1,000 miles. The reasons for diesel power are, I prefer the tourqe characteristics, Mrs ON is a low rev driver which suits a diesel, we have lived off this little island and are not phased by distance, driving 50 miles or so for lunch on a regular basis is no problem and as we live in a low traffic area with easy access to several motorways the DPF gets good and hot frequently. Going to the kids for lunch today, only 40 odd miles each way. :)
Last edited by: Old Navy on Sat 11 Oct 14 at 08:46
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - Runfer D'Hills
Ah right, I was confused too because I wanted to think you'd only relatively recently bought the Hyundai. I guess I thought the Yaris was in addition to that. Hadn't realised it had replaced it.

All clear now, carry on that man !

;-)
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - Old Navy
>> All clear now, carry on that man !
>>
>> ;-)
>>

We were wandering back to the ix35 through a Toyota dealers frontage having looked at a Yeti in the Skoda outfit next door muttering "Still too big". We were pounced on by a salesman and told him we were looking for a small car with cruise control. He came up with a good deal on a pre registered Yaris diesel with auto everything, even the interior mirror auto dims.

No regrets (yet). There is no way I would own a common rail, DPFd, DMFd, car out of warranty.
Last edited by: Old Navy on Sat 11 Oct 14 at 10:10
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - ....
>> Our last car was a Hyundai ix35 which we did not like, it was too
>> big and clumsy for our type of mainly local use ( usually within a 100
>> or so mile radius). As for the DPF, the ix35 was our first car with
>> one and as I suspected it was not a problem. I don't think it ever
>> regenerated and as far as I can tell the Toyota hasn't either although it has
>> only done about 1,000 miles...
>>
Thanks for that.
My wife has finally got around to visiting dealers, booking test drives for the C4 GP replacement.
An iX35 was on the list, she visited a showroom and actually found the iX20 had more interior space.
Top of the running at the moment is a C4 Cactus believe it or not. I'm thinking one of the 110hp 1.2 petrols this time around as the mileage has now dropped off considerably with the little ones being taxi'd to school. Got one booked for the day on Wednesday for a test drive.
Still got to visit Volvo (V40), Toyota (Yaris or Auris Hybrid) and Mercedes (A/B class).
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - Runfer D'Hills
Trouble with the Cactus is only girls can drive them. Well, you could drive it I suppose. Maybe things are different in Germany...

;-)
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - ....
I have not seen one on the roads over here so maybe I could be a trend setter.
You never know, if they throw in a Citroën branded man bag I might just sign up for it ;-)

I very rarely drive 'her' car and my wife very rarely drives mine. Strange !
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - mikeyb
VW have been knocking out high BHP / small capacity engines for longer than most I think - The 1.8T appears to be a pretty robust unit backed by my own experience of a £500 A3 with the 150 bhp unit - still sweet when we parted company at 247K.

Out of curiosity I checked with dvla and its still taxed and made it through another MOT!

 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - rtj70
I had the 1.8 engine in four cars with a turbo (Golf GTI, A4 1.8T Sport, 2 x Passat Sports) and a normally aspirated variant (A4 1.8 SE). The turbo was a good engine but not much more powerful than the NA variant - but torque and how it was delivered was much better. In the TT/S3 the same engine produced 225PS - different turbos etc of course.
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - ....
That's my thoughts too, VW are normally the masters of big cubes, small hp, less stress, longer life so find mikeyb's post odd.

When the 1.8 Golf GTi was producing 112bhp/115PS, most of the competitors were knocking out 130-150bhp. VW made up for it by saving weight in the construction.
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - Lygonos
Car graveyards are full of Honda S2000s whose engines died before 100k miles.

Not.
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - PeterS
Mazda RX8s didn't fare too well in the innovative engine with longevity... ;-)
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - ....
Willy wonker big hammers in sheds technology. Even Audi knew when to call it a day.
Couldn't fix it with a hammer must be an electrical problem.
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - rtj70
You're not suggesting a rotary engine couldn't be started and stopped soon after without issues? Surely not.

One of the big differences I will see with an A3 is a 50l fuel tank. Regardless of mpg it will end up doing a lot fewer miles between fill ups that the 70l Passat did.

Reminds me of a Top Gear attempt at driving to/from Edinburgh. Something like that. The car in question will have had an 80+ litre fuel tank.
Last edited by: rtj70 on Sat 11 Oct 14 at 00:32
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - mikeyb
>> You're not suggesting a rotary engine couldn't be started and stopped soon after without issues?
>> Surely not.
>>
>> One of the big differences I will see with an A3 is a 50l fuel
>> tank. Regardless of mpg it will end up doing a lot fewer miles between fill
>> ups that the 70l Passat did.
>>
>> Reminds me of a Top Gear attempt at driving to/from Edinburgh. Something like that. The
>> car in question will have had an 80+ litre fuel tank.
>>

Think is was a diesel A8 IIRC
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - Lygonos
Was a 4 litre V8 diesel Audi A8 I think.

Big Audis traditionally had 19-20 gallon tanks. Clarkson had to average around 40mpg to manage the challenge and ended up mimsing to make the distances.
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - ....
That's why I like my diesel. I can fill up drive normally without consideration for MPG and still cover 750 miles before I have to stop again for fuel.

When you've got a long distance to cover overnight it's great not having to hunt down a fuel stop.
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - Lygonos
Wasn't a huge fan of putting £120+ into the Shogun at fill-up time!
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - ....
There's not usually much change out of 100€ for the Volvo if I run it right down.

In the UK I think I've hit about £112 filling it up. I had to make two trips into the garage to pay as they had a £99 limit I think it was.
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - mikeyb
>> That's my thoughts too, VW are normally the masters of big cubes, small hp, less
>> stress, longer life so find mikeyb's post odd.
>>
>> When the 1.8 Golf GTi was producing 112bhp/115PS, most of the competitors were knocking out
>> 130-150bhp. VW made up for it by saving weight in the construction.
>>

Written after a few glasses of red!

What I meant was that as far back as the 90's VW were knocking out turbo engines with 1800 cc tuned up to 225 (maybe 240) bhp and they appeared to be fairly robust and long lived. I know its not 998cc but they have experience in this field and I don't see all this concern over downsizing. Personally I find the small capacity turbos nice to drive with a better torque curve, but that's just me
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - Lygonos
I think VWs biggest issues have related to the direct petrol injection system (even in non-turbo cars).

The 180hp super&turbo charged engines also have a reputation for fragility.
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - DP
>> I think VWs biggest issues have related to the direct petrol injection system (even in
>> non-turbo cars).

Also affects BMW and others. The HP fuel injection pump on BMW 335i models of a certain age is regarded pretty much as a consumable.

 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - Old Navy
I believe that Mitsubishi had big problems with their direct injection petrol engines.
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - Bromptonaut
>> I believe that Mitsubishi had big problems with their direct injection petrol engines.

As did Citroen with 'HPi' engine offered on early C5 and 406 models.
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - PeterS
As a quick update to this (another week, another hire car...) sine for the first time since October last year Avis's offering was again a Focus. Hatch not estate this time, and a petrol 'power shift' in an unknown trim level but described as a 1.6 STW on the paperwork.

I'd not booked an auto - I never do, and whilst upgrades are common they are generally to higher grade but still manual cars. So I asked the man at Avis why it was an auto. He said (though how close to the decision making he is is questionable!!??!!) that all petrol Focuses had been coming through as autos recently, and he hadn't seen a 1.0T version since the batch delivered in October... Read into that what you will, though I'm sure many will say the gearbox in the 1.6 auto has its faults too!!

This one was a facelift model, so with the shiney chrome gaping grill. Again almost brand new - 500 miles on the clock. Dash significantly improved - the mid 90s Sony blue has disappeared and a pleasing high-res display in the centre of the dials has replaced it and was easy to read and informative. Basic layout the same, though the stereo and heating controls have been updated. Smaller and neater, but in the same dash. So an even larger expanse of cheap plastic surrounds them. The seats appeared completely unchanged in design and lacked lumbar and thigh support. The wing mirrors are also unchanged and hopelessly shaped. Subjectively there seemed to be little if any difference in performance between the 1.0T and the 1.6, though the larger engine was remarkably refined and, on the whole, gear changes were seamless. It did have a tendency to lurch somewhat on changing from what I assume was first to second. Irritatingly it was quit edifficult to change gear manually - no paddle shifts, and no .'tiptronic' mode to the gearshift lever. Just a small +/- switch on the side of it. Though changing down generally made little difference to its pace ;-)

On the whole though it was remarkably relaxing to drive given the somewhat unlikely combination of smallish petrol engine and an auto box. Spec wise I have no idea what trim level. It lacked everything the previous one did, including cruise control which irritated as much this time as before. Bluetooth (n-Synch?) worked well this time and full access to phone an music from an iPhone was fine. This one had satnav fitted as well; the display was nice and high-up, but woefully old fashioned graphics. If anyone remembers BMW sat-nav displays from the E39/E46 era then you'll know what I mean. Either they've changed the door cards, or I hadn't noticed last time, but the whole thing was made of incredibly hard, hollow sounding plastic. A 1982 Sierra had softer touch plastics I think!

In summary the facelift focus with a larger engine and auto box was pretty similar to the pre facelift smaller engines manual car to drive, but it didn't break down!! It was subjectively no quicker, though on a calculated basis more economical - an indicated high 30s that equated to around 35 when refilled. Though on only 140 miles the margin for error here is high! Looked quite smart in a very dark grey, almost black, with the obligatory largish alloys and privacy glass. Though not as smart as last times upgraded car, which was a VW Toureg :)
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - mikeyb
I wonder if there is a glut of Autos in the market - out of my 4 last rentals 3 were auto, and I never request auto.

One was a focus 2.0 diesel with the powershift box, but not performing that well. First few changes from cold were a bit clunky, and at motorway speeds it had an odd habit of a slight hesitation. For a daily rental it had quite a few miles on it - approaching 20K, and I expect they had been hard miles, but put me off the powershift box
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - Zero
Yes I drove one of the new 1.6 Auto focus's in December last year. Hated it with a passion, always felt to me like it was being held back, almost like dragging a block of concrete around with you. Didn't like changing down unless you brutalised it with your right foot, and the switch change thing is utterly utterly stupid.

Horrid thing
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - rtj70
I had a hire car booked years ago. I wanted an auto (albeit in a smaller car). I got a Fiesta. No idea what auto box it was but assume it was a robotised manual. It was not great. But I didn't have time to find out. Within an hour it was a write-off.

No memory of the accident. But it was not a nice 'auto' box. Maybe if I had a manual I'd not have had the accident with a tanker?
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - Alastairw
Mk 3 Fiesta was CVT I believe. Later ones proper TC, though current model is dual clutch. Don't think there has ever been a robotised manual Ford.
 Ford Focus III - 1.0T 125PS 6Sp Ecoboost - rtj70
Must have been a CVT then. Whatever it was I didn't like it.
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