Had a split in my windscreen. A replacement was required and was fitted yesterday.
The excess was £90.
2017 Tuscon.
Windscreen Screen Specifications:
Heated wipers
Solar glass
Forward looking camera.
Original manufacturer's glass fitted.
I was surprised to notice that the mouldings for the camera etc. were fitted to the windscreen.
The job took 3 hours including calibration.
I was gobsmacked at the final bill, so how much do you think it should have been.
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After a conversation we had yesterday with the Volvo dealer in Cambridge I would think around £850.
Pat
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>> What needs calibrating?
The forward looking camera, the rain sensor.
my guess £1250
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>> >> What needs calibrating?
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>> The forward looking camera, the rain sensor.
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Though why, if the glass is the same spec why does it need calibrating? If they were that sensitve they wouldn't work when dirty.
I had a screen replaced on a Clio with a rain/light sensor and it was PnP..
Edit: I reckon £600 BTW.
Last edited by: Hard Cheese on Sun 28 May 17 at 09:12
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>> Though why, if the glass is the same spec why does it need calibrating? If
>> they were that sensitve they wouldn't work when dirty.
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>> I had a screen replaced on a Clio with a rain/light sensor and it was
>> PnP..
Its not plug and play, which is why loads of people end up with useless rain sensors. Plus the Volvo, and I am guessing the OP, has collision avoidance camera which again needs to be calibrated.
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>> which again needs to be calibrated.
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Though why?
Last edited by: Hard Cheese on Sun 28 May 17 at 09:42
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>> Though why?
Because they wont work properly if you dont.
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>> Because they wont work properly if you dont.
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Though why?
Sounds like an excuse for a substantial labour charge to me.
Last edited by: VxFan on Sun 28 May 17 at 20:05
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>> Though why?
Because of the degree of accuracy, both physically position, optically, and spectrum wise, which will vary because of manufacturing tolerances. Thats why you have white balance and focus on cameras.
IF you dont like that answer then do your own ruddy research
Or dont pay the charge and have adaptive cruise, collision avoidance, auto steering, headlamps, and wipers that wont work.
Last edited by: VxFan on Sun 28 May 17 at 20:05
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>> Because of the degree of accuracy, both physically position, optically, and spectrum wise, which will
>> vary because of manufacturing tolerances. Thats why you have white balance and focus on cameras.
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No doubt it is possible to make glass within certain transmissive parameters and feature accurate positional markings on the screen. These devices are designed to work in all sorts of light and dark and with all sorts of carp all over the screen and surely don't need to be calibrated between, say, Pilkington's Fnest week 33/16 and week 20/17.
Just another motor industry revenue stream perhaps.
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>> Just another motor industry revenue stream perhaps.
Then I suggest you go back to driving the clio.
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>>Or dont pay the charge and have adaptive cruise, collision avoidance, auto steering, headlamps, and wipers that wont work.
Yes that is the situation.
They are all optional extras so if you do not want them have a basic windscreen but I suspect that will have an effect on the cars valuation plus I guess advise the insurance company that you have deleted safety features.i
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>> have adaptive cruise, collision avoidance, auto steering, headlamps, and wipers that wont work.
Much like the Toyota Safety Sense (TSS) system that seems to be attracting a great deal of criticism on Toyota forums.
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>> I was gobsmacked at the final bill, so how much do you think it should have been.
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Do you want to know how much we think it should have been, or how much it was?
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We were quoted several hundred for a Berlingo screen about 10 years ago and that was just plain tinted glass - no heat or automatics.
I'd guess around £1k at dealer rates.
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My humble Honda has a laser range finder, cameras for collision warning, auto brakes, and auto high / low beam headlights. Not forgetting the rain sensor. I would expect a four figure retail price for that lot and a sheet of bent glass and calibration.
Last edited by: Old Navy on Sun 28 May 17 at 08:21
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It's got to have cost around £1390.
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>>I would expect a four figure retail price for that lot and a sheet of bent glass and calibration.
I agree.
Try a search for calibrating car cruise control.
I recently inquired re my sons Audi that has a radar system Cost was £300 if when you can find a site that does it. I suspect the camera system will also cost a lot to set up.
e.g. ...Coventry Audi can't do the calibration as they don't have the ...equipment
www.vwaudiforum.co.uk/forum/archive/index.php/t-167168.html
With the radar not working the automatic default safety mode is to disable cruise control completely.
Mobile repairers now appearing
polar-aircon.co.uk/adaptive-cruise-control-calibration/
www.autoglass.co.uk/glass-repair-and-replacement/camera-calibration/
Fixed calibration, which takes place in a workshop environment with a levelled floor. Calibration is completed using specialist equipment which needs to be set up with absolute precision to ensure success.
www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/658970/Car-safety-systems-not-work-replacement-windscreens
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I'll have £800 in the sweepstake.
I had to replace the screen in my 2011 Outlander; rain and light sensors. If there was any calibration needed, I wasn't aware of it.
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Why do they always stick that stupid bit of masking tape over the top while the seal cures? No way would a bit of paper tape stop a screen popping off.
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>> Why do they always stick that stupid bit of masking tape over the top while
>> the seal cures? No way would a bit of paper tape stop a screen popping
>> off.
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It stops it sliding downwards.
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We still don't know the price but assuming this is going to be the trend going forward, I suspect that very quickly ins companies will be changing their blanket windscreen excesses to be model specific.
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the number of times you have fallen off your bike
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42! :-) that was the cost of the coffee!
Screen was £853, labour a further £300 so £1,153 plus VAT!!!
Of course at the end of the year the windscreen fitters give a turnover rebate back to the insurance companies and get one themselves from the glass distributors which has the effect of putting retail prices up!
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>> Screen was £853, labour a further £300 so £1,153 plus VAT!!!
I was just about to say that.
Last edited by: VxFan on Sun 28 May 17 at 20:10
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>> Screen was £853, labour a further £300 so £1,153 plus VAT>>
Wasn't long ago you could buy a Hyundai for that ...
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They're not cheap cars anymore. List price of my car was over £28k.
Local dealer leaves an awful lot to be desired though.
Last edited by: zippy on Sun 28 May 17 at 12:09
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>>They're not cheap cars anymore. List price of my car was over £28k.
Still cheap though, compared to a Honda CR-V EX, knowlmean.
;-)
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>> 42! :-) that was the cost of the coffee!
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>> Screen was £853, labour a further £300 so £1,153 plus VAT!!!
So Clk Sec was the winner!!
£1390 he said. Well done that er, poster.
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I have two similar data points:
A couple of years ago the windscreen on the Merc had to be replaced. A genuine screen was fitted as that's all they could get with the right tint, auto wiper/light and forward camera bits. My excess athen was £75 (LV) and the Autoglass invoice to LV for the OEM glass and labour was £600. Mercedes charged £95 to recalibrate everything, though the fitter and MB said it probably wasn't necessary ;)
More recently the windscreen on the A3 was changed. Excess now £90. OEM glass fitted - acoustic winscreen with grey top tint, auto lights / wipers and the forward facing camera stuff meant again OEM was the only option. No recalibration necessary, confirmed by Audi. Cost to LV was again around £600
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>> though the fitter and MB said it probably wasn't necessary ;)>>
>> No recalibration necessary, confirmed by Audi.
>> Cost to LV was again around £600
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That's what I would have thought.
Why twice as much for a Hyundai and why the need to calibrate? Are the Germans a step or two ahead?
Last edited by: Hard Cheese on Sun 28 May 17 at 17:44
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>> Why twice as much for a Hyundai and why the need to calibrate? Are the
>> Germans a step or two ahead?
The BMW VP of design went to Hyundai and the Tuscon is built in the Czech Republic now.
The difference in cost might be due the heating element and size of the screen (it is huge). The screen was also OEM so more expensive then a pattern one I guess.
The fitter said the insurance companies insist all cars with cameras are recalibrated, probably to absolve them of any liability for faulty components in a crash later on.
When I ask for the cost from the insurance co nearer to renewal time it will be interesting to see what they quote. I am expecting the figure from the windscreen fitters and no add ons but they may give me the discounted price (year end rebate).
Last edited by: VxFan on Sun 28 May 17 at 20:11
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>> >> though the fitter and MB said it probably wasn't necessary ;)>>
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Sorry, many cars will say "P*** off, this is not the device address I was configured with at build time, so I am turing it off"
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The devices themselves (in the case of MB and Audi at least) aren't changed when the screen is changed. The 'callibrating' work irequired is, I assume, akin to ensuring that they are optimally focussed if the new screen has different optical properties to the original. But, I can't imagine that OEM screens vary that much, or that it makes that much difference!
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I dare you to unplug them, turn it on, turn it off and plug them in again.
go on, dare you.
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Thank goodness for Dacia. Sensible cars at sensible prices. Four figures for replacing a windscreen is completely cretinous.
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How much does a Dacia screen cost then?
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Wrt parts costs I am really keen to change the "lowish) mileage 06 poverty spec Focus I am running and which has been "ours" almost since new. But it costs me next to nothing to run, and when something does break or need replacement it doesn't cost the earth. I think the tyres were around £40 and I managed to change some mechanical stuff myself, and the stuff I can't do doesn't require a specialist, juts my ordinary mechanic on the farm. It is pretty reliable and is quick enough. Seeing costs like the above reminds me why it makes sense to hang onto it till it dies. (Also the fact that I can park in car parks without fretting too much over where the next scratch night come from)
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>> Thank goodness for Dacia. Sensible cars at sensible prices. Four figures for replacing a windscreen
>> is completely cretinous.
Is it? He payed 90 quid xcess, if yours goes you will pay, yes 90 quid excess
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>> I dare you to unplug them, turn it on, turn it off and plug them
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>> go on, dare you.
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The Autoglass man specifically said they didn't need to be unplugged in the Audi. I didn't ask about the Merc, but I can't see why they'd need to be. The sensors / camera remained connected to the loom and he just had to replace the gasket-like thing between them and the windscreen :)
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>> I dare you to unplug them, turn it on, turn it off and plug them
>> in again.
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>> go on, dare you.
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That sounds like the Ford diesel injectors that have to be logged onto the ECU after disconnecting and reconnecting. I was thinking More of alignment, it would not be helpful if the auto brakes were picking up low flying aircraft and I am sure my car would be upset if it could not read the road signs. :-)
Last edited by: Old Navy on Mon 29 May 17 at 09:16
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>> it would not be helpful if the auto brakes...
But they don't rely on a camera for auto-brakes or adaptive cruise control. Cars use radar - usually somewhere in the grill.
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>> >> it would not be helpful if the auto brakes...
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>> But they don't rely on a camera for auto-brakes or adaptive cruise control. Cars use
>> radar - usually somewhere in the grill.
They are now starting to use LIDAR, which requires a form of camera, and a higher viewpoint than the grill
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Not on run of the mill cars (yet). The cost of LIDAR is too high. They tend to be used on cars for autonomous driving.
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>> Not on run of the mill cars (yet). The cost of LIDAR is too high.
>> They tend to be used on cars for autonomous driving.
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Relatively cheap cars are available with lane change assist technology aren't they, and I assume that uses cameras if not lasers? Certainly more advanced that just radar anyway
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>> Relatively cheap cars are available with lane change assist technology aren't they, and I assume
>> that uses cameras if not lasers? Certainly more advanced that just radar anyway
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My Jazz has lane departure warning, it is hardly an intercontinental autobahn stormer!
It has three cameras, a laser, and a rain sensor in a pod at the top of the windscreen. It reads and displays "red circle" road signs and one of the speed limiters can be linked to them.
Last edited by: VxFan on Tue 30 May 17 at 02:02
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>> Relatively cheap cars are available with lane change assist technology aren't they, and I
>> assume that uses cameras if not lasers? Certainly more advanced that just radar anyway
RADAR and LIDAR obviously work on similar principles. Whereas RADAR is RAdio Detection And Ranging LIDAR uses Light (LIght Detection And Ranging). A key function is range. Using a camera (even two) makes it difficult for a computer to judge distance.
If you see demos of LIDAR you can see it builds up an image of the surroundings but includes the all important range. It's not just an image. But most autonomous cars have a few LIDAR units, usually mounted on the roof.
I wonder how many are on a Tesla Model S? I doubt it uses a top end Velodyne LIDAR sensor like the HDL-64E which is the 64 channel version. They cost about $75k!
The cost of LIDAR will soon come down.
But the cheap cameras on run of the mill cars are good enough for lane keep assist, traffic sign recognition, intelligent/auto lights etc. But adaptive cruise control uses RADAR. If I opt for a Skoda Superb I might go for all three of those options. Which for some reason needs you to have the fully electric passenger seat - no idea why it's prerequisite.
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>> >> it would not be helpful if the auto brakes...
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>> But they don't rely on a camera for auto-brakes or adaptive cruise control. Cars use
>> radar - usually somewhere in the grill.
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Mine uses a laser range finder and cameras at the top of the windscreen. There are dire warnings about looking into the laser in the handbook.
Last edited by: Old Navy on Mon 29 May 17 at 12:37
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Just as I'm reading this thread The Autoglass man is folding away his rain canopy and clearing up after replacing the C3 windscreen. The crack had been at the top of the screen since last August after Mrs H copped some debris from an overhead bridge on the A1, but not in line-of-sight and not in wiper arc. The recent hot weather suddenly transformed the single crack into a map of the Nile delta.
My repair slot was 8am - 11:30am today (Bank Holiday) and the chaps arrived at 8:30 after a phone call. An hour later and the screen is fitted. They barely managed to salvage the French Crit'air sticker but otherwise everything looks OK. One man left after 2 of them manhandled the new screen into position.
The insurance excess was £90 and that's all I want to know. Nothing was stuck to the screen originally except the mirror. Manual wipers, no camera etc.
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Wait till we have self driving cars.. The guidance systems will be so complex I doubt they will dare sell spares to anyone but authorised dealers.
The consequences of a failure don't bear thinking about...
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>> Wait till we have self driving cars.. The guidance systems will be so complex I
>> doubt they will dare sell spares to anyone but authorised dealers.
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>> The consequences of a failure don't bear thinking about...
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Aye, but they won't crash! ;-D
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Hyundai - Windscreen Replacement Cost - Have A Guess - Pat
