Been travelling up to Suffolk a few times recently, and have been acutely aware of the multiple average speed and speed camera zones along the A12. Until the 18th July it appears, which was a scorching hot day. I was driving up on the Sunday evening, and had tackled the M4/M25 schlep with the roof up and outside temperatures in the mid 30s. By the time I got to the A12 traffic had eased, and the temperature dropped to a more manageable 28 degrees. So, with blue skies and a quietish road I put the roof down and made my way at 70ish mile an hour, slowing for the 50 sections and mindful of the average speed cameras. Was in a bit of a rush as I was mindful that fish a and chips on the beach at aldburgh was on the cards...
Was however a bit miffed to find out, a few weeks later, that not only had I been caught doing 80mph in a 70, not by the average speed cameras but by a camera van (that I have to say I don't recall seeing...) but also doing 70mph in the 60mph average speed zone over the Orwell bridge. Two tickets in one journey!! And that's after having had no tickets for years... which doubles the number of speeding tickets I've had in my life!
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"Been travelling up to Suffolk a few times recently"
Several months ago, unknown to me, Suffolk police were having a purge on speeding; I inferred that the coffers were running low. Unfortunately, I didn't find out until .......
The Orwell Bridge, together with the run-ups either side, is an absolute money-spinner for them. It actually takes a lot of concentration or cruise-control to stay below 60.
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Fair enough when one has been 'taking chances', but very annoying when one has been doing one's best to comply.
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>> Fair enough when one has been 'taking chances', but very annoying when one has been
>> doing one's best to comply.
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Absolute cobblers, you either obey the speed limit or have no complaint if you get a speeding ticket.
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Cobblers to you too. I know when I am annoyed, it's usually with myself.
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>>Absolute cobblers, you either obey the speed limit or have no complaint if you get a speeding ticket. >>
You really are a bundle of laughs, aren't you?
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>>Absolute cobblers, you either obey the speed limit or have no complaint if you get a speeding ticket.
We all make mistakes. I try not to speed and set my cruise control whenever practical but sometimes, with poor signs, lack of repeaters etc. I have edged over.
It's especially difficult on managed motorways when the limit changes between 40 and 70 with a different limit at almost every gantry. A moments inattention could land you with a fine and points.
Back to the OP, get some advice, as I have been told before that if you can show it was the same journey then only one fine might apply, because if you had been stopped by the police then you would have moderated your driving.
Edit: Found some reference:
richardsilver.co.uk/news/caught-speeding-twice-or-more-on-the-same-journey-how-many-penalty-points-will-you-get/
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>> Edit: Found some reference:
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>> richardsilver.co.uk/news/caught-speeding-twice-or-more-on-the-same-journey-how-many-penalty-points-will-you-get/
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As it happens I've been offered one speed awareness course (which can be taken at locations all over the country) and a FPN for the Orwell Bridge offence. Discretion being the better part of valour, I think I'm going to live with that. £85 for the course and £100 for the ticket mind...wipes out the mileage claim for the whole trip and a bit more ;)
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>> >> Fair enough when one has been 'taking chances', but very annoying when one has
>> been
>> >> doing one's best to comply.
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>> Absolute cobblers, you either obey the speed limit or have no complaint if you get
>> a speeding ticket.
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I'm not complaining too much...there are times I've driven along those roads at much higher speeds, and I knew I was going too fast... however... if the first offence had been picked up by a traffic car, I'd definitely have driven more circumspectly for the rest of the journey... can I claim it was one offence do you think ;)
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So Old Navy, I'll assume you've never been pulled over, nor got any speeeding tickets.
I consider myself a considerate and careful driver, who has been ticketed 5 times, not too bad over 35 years and having driven well over 1,000,000 miles
36 in a 30 where there were open fields on one side, and houses set back on the other side sunburn BP to Feltham rd......The old bill,,said I should,realise it was 30and NOT 40 as I thought , because the distance of the lamp posts......it toook a lot of self control to say, " what do you expect me to,do, measure the distance.
45 in a 40 A3 going down Roehampton Hill......now tell me anyone who hasn't speeded on this hill.....old bill
38 in a 30 , Turned right onto the A4 up by Earls Court.......it must be one of the,only places in the country where it's 3 lanes, and yet only 30 camera
36 in a 30 ON the dual lane road from Hanger Lane to Chiswick roundabout......when it was on temporary speed reduction for non existence roadworks.......it's now a 30mph for no reason .
And 72m0h on the a23 down near Brighton , whilst in a hire transit van.......weird law, that on a motorway 2 lane, a transit van can do 70 mph, but on an A road 2 lane they can only do 60 , yet if I'd been in my equally sized people carrier, I'd have been able to do 70ish .
Currently on 3 points
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One sp30 about 30 years ago, I went into a small village and slowed down a bit too slowly at about 5am.
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I've had speeding tickets for exceeding the limit on the Heathrow perimeter road in 1996, for exceeding 60 on the A24 in 2014 and now for exceeding 60 on the A12 this month. I've also been on a speed awareness course in 2012...and shortly to go on another... Probably not relevant, but my annual mileage now, and in 1996, was lower than the period '99 to '12 when I got no tickets... maybe I was more alert? I certainly didn't drive slower!
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Just a bit slow to get the message, eh. You will grow out of it. :-)
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I speed* as in exceed the speed limit quite a lot of the the time. Sometimes by not much, sometimes by a considerable margin. By deliberately speeding, I as in a "I know I am breaking the speed limit" mindset, one is constantly aware of the chance of getting caught, and by consequence attention is high, and you see and register all the things that could catch you. So you don't get caught. And I haven't. 1 Speeding ticket in 44 years of driving, and that for racing an unmarked police car away from the lights.
As sure as eggs is eggs, you will end up speeding, you will get caught if you switch into "I am out for a cruise" mindset.
When and if you get caught for speeding, never come out with the "blah it was only 33MPH in a 30" whine. Your speedo was telling you you were doing much more. All speedos overhead (and dont come back and tell me they dont, because they do - all of them - even yours) For example in 50mph specs zones, I set the cruise to 58. Speedo overreads by 4mph, real speed 54 well within the +10% let alone any +3mph prosecution limit.
* And of course, where its risky - as in dangerous or risk of getting caught, I dont speed.
Oh and ON? go stick you pooey pants in your gob, & STFU we know you are a MOG so stop trying to prove it.
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Whilst I completely agree with everything Z said, and indeed that is generally my approach, sometimes all it takes a moments lack of attention or distraction. And I'll just say that the Orwell bridge ticket was as a result of a misjudged gamble. I worked on the basis that I'd get away with exceeding the limit by 10% + 2 mph, and that the speedo was bound to over read slightly. So I went 70. And was ticketed for 70. These Germans and their accurate speedos ;) I have subsequently found out that local folklore is that you'll be ticketed at 68 or above...
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>> * And of course, where its risky - as in dangerous or risk of getting
>> caught, I dont speed.
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So not the risk of hitting someone or something? Say you are pulling out of a junction, there is a bend to your right, the road is clear and you pull out. Someone approaching from the right on the speed limit sees you and slows to avoid conflict. Someone approaching above the speed limit may not have time to stop.
Like all arrogant drivers the bit you don't get is the link between speed and stopping distance.
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>> Like all arrogant drivers the bit you don't get is the link between speed and
>> stopping distance.
DANGEROUS.
Please, next time employ what few remaining brain cells you have left to read the post before you spout off.
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>> Please, next time employ what few remaining brain cells you have left to read the
>> post before you spout off.
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Have you had any advanced driver training Z?
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>> Say you are pulling out of a junction, there is a bend to your right, the road is clear and you pull out. Someone approaching from the right on the speed limit sees you and slows to avoid conflict. Someone approaching above the speed limit may not have time to stop.
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Someone approaching above the speed limit would have gone past by the time you got to the junction ;-)
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>>For example in 50mph specs zones, I set the cruise to 58. Speedo overreads by 4mph, real speed 54 well within the +10% let alone any +3mph prosecution limit.
The 10% + 3 is as far as I remember just guidance, not a rule as such. A copper in a bad mood will have ya.
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Coppers? On British Roads?
Nah, dead breed.
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>> Coppers? On British Roads?
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>> Nah, dead breed.
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Keep up Z, cameras have replaced coppers, they are cheaper.
With average speed ( or any ) cameras it is the admin guy in an office somewhere.
www.dunfermlinepress.com/news/14213991.Cameras_catch_eight_times_as_many_motorists_on_A90/
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Depends on where you live, we've a small handful of cameras in the local area. All well known and easily seen and as for traffic police more likely to win the lottery than see one!
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>> The 10% + 3 is as far as I remember just guidance, not a rule
>> as such. A copper in a bad mood will have ya.
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There have been a few similar references,but AFAIK, the (discretionary) guidelines indicate that penalties should kick in at 10% + 2 not over that amount.
e.g. the normal approach would be to penalise 35mph in a 30mph area, and 68mph in a 60mph area.
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I thought it was 10% +2 but close... :-) It's the ACPO guideline.
I also have a vague recollection of discussion to do away with it maybe earlier this year.
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Are you thinking of this?
goo.gl/CY8ABq (Telegraph). The Beds Police Commissioner threatening zero tolerance enforcement on the M1 to raise cash.
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>> Are you thinking of this?
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>> goo.gl/CY8ABq (Telegraph). The Beds Police Commissioner threatening zero tolerance enforcement on the M1 to raise
>> cash.
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So speed limits and cameras are for safety, aye right!
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>>The 10% + 3 is as far as I remember just guidance, not a rule as such. >>
To be absolutely pedantic, the advice that Chief Constables use to issue was 10 per cent over the speed limit plus 2.5mph...:-)
So anyone, for example, doing an indicated 80mph on a motorway was pretty safe (the actual speed was a little lower than that figure) as the 79.5mph was the average accepted speedometer reading.
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All the links I can find which mention the $age say + 2 mph so not sure where the other 0.5 comes from, but not that significant anyway really...
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>> >>The 10% + 3 is as far as I remember just guidance, not a rule
>> as such. >>
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>> To be absolutely pedantic, the advice that Chief Constables use to issue was 10 per
>> cent over the speed limit plus 2.5mph...:-)
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>> So anyone, for example, doing an indicated 80mph on a motorway was pretty safe (the
>> actual speed was a little lower than that figure) as the 79.5mph was the average
>> accepted speedometer reading.
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FWIW, the conditional offer of a fixed penalty has now arrived for the offence in the 60 limit. It states the vehicle speed as 68 mph, so only 10% plus 2mph over the limit, and that's an average speed camera ticket!
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>> FWIW, the conditional offer of a fixed penalty has now arrived for the offence in
>> the 60 limit. It states the vehicle speed as 68 mph, so only 10% plus
>> 2mph over the limit, and that's an average speed camera ticket!
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Maybe the thinking is an average of 68 mph makes it likely you got over 70 at some point in the distance measured. Probably correct unless you have a very accurate cruise control, I know I have never driven one which keeps an absolutely exact speed constantly.
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>> FWIW, the conditional offer of a fixed penalty has now arrived for the offence in
>> the 60 limit. It states the vehicle speed as 68 mph, so only 10% plus
>> 2mph over the limit, and that's an average speed camera ticket!
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Though the speed camera would be that 1/500th snapshot in time whereas your "offence" was 68mph average over a distance, does it say what that distance is?
I mean you could have, say, pootled at 40, zipped up to 100 and pootled at 40 again, and achieved an average of 68, or simply set the cruise too high.
I have always understood 10% + 2 to be the guidelines, i.e. 35, 46, 57, 68, 79.
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I don't really understand the guidelines. If they want the speed limit to be 67mph, then make it 67mph. If they want it to be 60mph, then enforce it.
What is conceivably the justification for authorising 68 in a 60? Surely that just means the 60 limit is inappropriate. 67 is no more nor less difficult to stick to than 60.
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>> What is conceivably the justification for authorising 68 in a 60? Surely that just means
>> the 60 limit is inappropriate. 67 is no more nor less difficult to stick to
>> than 60.
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I have always assumed it's a pragmatic approach, If you got done for 61 there is much more temptation to fight the ticket on the grounds that the camera was faulty or had been operated incorrectly or that the measured distance was actually shorter than stated etc.
If the ticket is for 68 then you were over the limit 1 or 2 mph either way is irrelevant.
If enforcement gets strict an prosecutions always follow so no speed awareness courses etc it would severely damage the police / public relationship
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I guess that's true.
Of course in days gone you were often caught by a car following you so they could make an assessment of your standard of driving as well - with cameras though that isn't possible.
I imagine you put your finger on it with the police / public relations.
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Didn't speedometers used to be less accurate, so the 10% was as "tolerance" or "margin for error"
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Not sure that they ever [since it mattered] under read.
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>> I have always understood 10% + 2 to be the guidelines, i.e. 35, 46, 57,
>> 68, 79.
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.....as posted above, the ACPO "guidelines" are clearly documented as 10% +2mph is the level at which prosecution occurs, not the level above which prosecution occurs.
68mph in a 60mph limit means a ticket.
The (older copy admittedly) ACPO guidelines here are clear at section 9.6.
www.cambs.police.uk/roadsafety/docs/201305-uoba-joining-forces-safer-roads.pdf
They also give a bit of info relevant to Mark's questions.
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>> I have always understood 10% + 2 to be the guidelines, i.e. 35, 46, 57,
>> 68, 79.
Me too. And I well remember a friend being ticketed years ago at 79 on the empty, westbound, eastern end of the empty M62 at 6am one fine morning.
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Not in Scotland though, since earlier this year they have done away with the 10% +2 and are prosecuting at anything over the posted speed limit.
www.driving.co.uk/news/just-1mph-too-fast-and-youre-nicked-new-zero-tolerance-approach-to-speeding/
Pat
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And no speed awareness get outs up here either. With the lower drink drive limit even one drink is a no no.
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Well Police Scotland are so useless at anything else relating to policing, that they need to be seen to be doing something.
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>> Well Police Scotland are so useless at anything else relating to policing, that they need
>> to be seen to be doing something.
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I agree, the SNPs project to make the Strathclyde Police a national outfit has been an unmitigated disaster.
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It would seem that the 2.5mph figure has been reduced in recent years.
Found this comment:
The actual definition in 75/443/EC (section 4.4) is quite precise, stating that the indicated speed of a vehicle must never be less than the true speed (it must read exact or high) and between 40 km/h and 120 km/h the error must not exceed 10% + 4 km/h high (true speed/10 + 2.5 mph). For example, this means at a true speed of 25mph or 40km/h the speedometer may read 40/10+4 = 8km/h or 5mph high = 30mph indicated.
eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:1975:196:0001:0005:EN:PDF
I know my original recollection of the 10 per cent + 2.5mph guideline goes back quite a number of years.
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There seems to be a lot of drivers of non-car-derived vans who are unaware that they are limited to 50mph on single carriageways and 60mph on dual carriageways.
I regularly travel the 20 miles of the A421 between Brogborough and the Black Cat roundabout. I set the cruise to a true 70mph, and every trip I am tailgated and overtaken by Transit sized vans, frequently travelling significantly faster.
There was even a van driver on my speed awareness course in 2012 who was completely surprised to discover the speed limits for his vehicle type, and said so to the trainer!
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I have only had one speed awareness course for 55 MPH on the QE2 Bridge at Dartford.
I remembered the journey as it was the first time I had used the bridge in months, the road was congested and I would say that being able to do 40 would have been a stretch!
Other times I have been pulled over and "rollocked" by the BIB. Once (30 years ago) when my car was a heap and the road up a hill had changed from 60 to 30 a few months previously. The officer said that he heard me rev it up at the bottom of the hill and I looked him straight and said "sorry officer, if I hadn't given it some welly it would have never have made it up the hill". He told me to never let him catch me again and told me to get going before he changed his mind!
Another time on a motorbike (so I must have been 18) the only ID I had was for access to some very secure sites (for very mundane work). The BIB offered me an escort!
There have been a few others when I have been "pulled" and I must have one of those faces that they feel very sorry for.
"Touch wood"
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I have had one speeding offence in nearly 25 years driving. That was a year I was doing over 30,000 business miles a year and some extra speed cut overall journey times a fair bit. Most of that 30,000 was motorway and I had personal miles on top.
Lesson learnt and next car (my Golf GTI) had cruise control. Probably rare on a GTI in 1999.
But you never know when a lapse of concentration can get you. I nearly got done exiting one of the Mersey tunnels when I missed the reduce speed signs - gawping over at the big police operation in the tunnel involving Asians/Muslims.... lots of cars. Got away with it even though there was a cop with a speed gun.
More recently (Well 2016) a road in Manchester I've used on and off for 20 years or so is now 20mph for a large section. Could easily have missed it. All the way from A34 to A5103 Mauldeth Road is 20mph and I'm not sure what warranted the change. It changed sometime between May 2015 and May 2016 according to Google. Used to drive down that road a lot before 2014.
So next car has the £85 speed sign camera specified :-)
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Speed limit display ( option 9Q6) is costing me £252 on my new car, but having thoroughly researched options, such fripperies help a great deal when the time comes to sell.
No potential buyer wants a 'poverty spec' vehicle
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>> Speed limit display ( option 9Q6) is costing me £252 on my new car, but
>> having thoroughly researched options, such fripperies help a great deal when the time comes to
>> sell.
>> No potential buyer wants a 'poverty spec' vehicle
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£252!!! My Jazz reads speed signs and displays them on a dashboard display as standard fit.
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....I can still read the speed signs at normal distance myself........
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>> Speed limit display ( option 9Q6) is costing me £252
As these are both VW group cars... a rip off for you. Skoda vs Porsche.
I nearly didn't spec it because it can be enabled for free with VCDS. But at £85 a small amount to pay monthly for me.
I suspect it can be fooled. And it does use sat nav data as well.
But for the time when you don't know the speed limit... might be useful. If I was in a 20 or 30mph zone and it told me 90 I'd ignore it.
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>> Speed limit display ( option 9Q6) is costing me £252 on my new car,
Bout the same price as specsavers I guess.
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>> There seems to be a lot of drivers of non-car-derived vans who are unaware that
>> they are limited to 50mph on single carriageways and 60mph on dual carriageways.
Many of our council vans have their speed limits for various types of road displayed on the back.
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>> Many of our council vans have their speed limits for various types of road displayed
>> on the back.
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>> So next car has the £85 speed sign camera specified :-)
My car reads them. Passing a foreign HGV on a motorway the limit came up as 90 as it was clearly reading the sign on the back of the truck.
I am glad that it is not connected to the cruise control!
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My car has not picked up a speed sign on a vehicle, one of the speed limiters can be linked to the speed sign reader, wisely not the cruise control.
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Smug git alert!
My last speeding penalty was a £7 fine and endorsement in '66.
What's the chance of my next soon, now I've said that?
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>> Smug git alert!
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>> My last speeding penalty was a £7 fine and endorsement in '66.
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>> What's the chance of my next soon, now I've said that?
The chance of your next £7 fine is NFC!
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>> >> Smug git alert!
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I'm not being smug though I have not had a speeding penalty of any sort in 38 years driving (he says touching wood while typing ...), probably as much luck as judgment. Though I do try to adhere to 30 and 40 limits and be very careful in 50s, however I do press on in national speed limit A and B roads where conditions allow and will often cruise at 80/85 indicated on m/ways an dual c/ways.
Sorry to hear PeterS BTW.
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>> My car has not picked up a speed sign on a vehicle, one of the
>> speed limiters can be linked to the speed sign reader, wisely not the cruise control.
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Do you mean speed limiter or speed warning?
In addition to cruise my BMW has a speed warning function though a limiter could be dangerous if it interrupted an overtake etc.
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Been done twice, and did a course both times.
34 in a 30 through a static camera that I knew was there, on a road I use several times a week. A moment of complete stupidity. Was angry at myself rather than the camera.
85 on the M40 at J2 (Beaconsfield). 4 lanes, smooth surface, good weather, light traffic. Again, annoyed at myself that I didn't spot the van that was parked up on the flyover.
The first was poor concentration, and the second was poor observation.
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>> 85 on the M40 at J2 (Beaconsfield). 4 lanes, smooth surface, good weather, light traffic.
>> Again, annoyed at myself that I didn't spot the van that was parked up on
>> the flyover.
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A favourite place especially London bound in the morning peak period.
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>> Do you mean speed limiter or speed warning?
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>> In addition to cruise my BMW has a speed warning function though a limiter could
>> be dangerous if it interrupted an overtake etc.
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Just thinking about this, BMW call it a limiter and I guess it stops you accidentally going over the set limit though you can accelerate through if you want or need to. Are they all like this?
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I was flashed the other day on the M25 on one of those variable speed things (doing 50 or so in a 40 when it was all clear). Car was in cruise control and admittedly I was distracted chatting away to someone next to me.
Luckily I didn't actually get a ticket, but the experience was enough to make me rethink my driving using cruise control.
I now use the speed limiter as this is just as easy to use, you just leave your foot reasonably hard down enough to hit the limit, and it is much easier to just let go and then return to your original than using cruise. It's really good once you get used to it. However, what I think cars really need is a set of limiter buttons you can program for the normal speed zones: 1=30, 2=40, 3=50, 4=60, 5=70.
Then all you have to do is press the relevant one according to zone.
Alternatively spend 80K on a car that has speed sign recognition like the Volvo XC90. I test drove one of those and the limit thing was surreal.
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Yeah, I went to the VW Autostadt at Wolfsburg during my German trip and had a 45 minute drive in a top of the range Toureg with all the bells and whistles, including blind spot alerts and self parking. Very impressive but also very out of my price range!!
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>> Alternatively spend 80K on a car that has speed sign recognition like the Volvo XC90.
>> I test drove one of those and the limit thing was surreal.
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80K!!!!
My Jazz has two speed limiters one of which can be linked to its speed sign reader.
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>> Do you mean speed limiter or speed warning?
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>> In addition to cruise my BMW has a speed warning function though a limiter could
>> be dangerous if it interrupted an overtake etc.
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One of the two speed limiters, I have not used either of them as I prefer CC. I don't know if there is a speed warning without checking the book. I will have a look.
Edit
You can drive through the limiters and CC by flooring the accelerator.
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Having had a look at the book, the car has two speed warnings which can only be set in the menues with the car stopped. It also has two limiters which are controlled from steering wheel buttons, one of these limiters can be linked to the speed sign reader.
No wonder some "oldies" think the car is too complicated! And that is before you get to Bluetooth and WiFi.
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>> It also has two limiters which are controlled from steering wheel buttons, one of these limiters can be linked to> the speed sign reader.
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Though are they strict limiters or can you accelerate through them? If not is seems dangerous to me.
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As said above, yes, much like CC can be accelerated through.
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53 years & no speeding /fines /points - my last parking ticket was £6.00. Early 80s parked on St Andrew Sq in Edinburgh for 1/2 hour & forgot.
BUT
last week a moment of inattention & I found myself in a bus lane @ fractionally after the 4pm deadline.
There had been an accident 2 hours previously, traffic was jammed up, which I knew nothing about entering the roundabout............ so there might be a letter heading my way.
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When I'm on my own in the van I read the speed limit signs, when I'm in the Jag I have an audible speed warning that also accuses me of driving too close to the car following me but I love her, fortieth wedding anniversary on Sunday.
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Over the years about 6 or 7 tickets for speeding.The majority on motorways and in a 40mph zone.Did 48mph.
Attented one speed awareness course just to save on having points on my licence.The talk on the course was dribble.My licence has been clean for the last seven years.I got one of these new Tom Tom thingies.Tells me about congestion and guides me somewhere else.Also warns me about fixed speed camara's
Enjoyed myself a few weeks ago in a Lamborghini a few rounds on a track.Great instructor fearless and I put my foot down.Nice birthday present.
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A lot of ifs, buts, and maybes, it gives the points collectors something to moan about. :-)
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4741390/Ministers-vow-cut-motorway-speed-limit-60mph.html
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>> A lot of ifs, buts, and maybes, it gives the points collectors something to moan
>> about. :-)
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>> www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4741390/Ministers-vow-cut-motorway-speed-limit-60mph.html
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10k miles in the new motor, about 90% commuting around the country (from the South Coast to Newcastle, Manchester and Torquay) and it reports my average speed is 41 MPH.
Congestion is the issue, not speed.
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Tell me about it, I was driving around the Edinburgh area today. At my age I should have more sense than use the car on a Saturday. Weekdays are so much better with most people at work and mainly professional drivers on the road. Just have to watch out for the school run mums, but even they are having a break at the moment. The little darlings will soon need school transport again, swings and roundabouts, school run mums or kids everywhere. :-)
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Absolutely, totally!
And wfat does reducing average speeds do, it increases congestion.
What we need is safe speed, reducing journey times and hence congestion.
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>> What we need is safe speed, reducing journey times and hence congestion.
Does it work like that in practice though. Smart Motorways, see the M42 for example, move better than the standard sort. While I can think of places where speed limits seem slow in free moving traffic I cannot recall anywhere where moving faster would reduce congestion.
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The traffic light GP starts amuse me, race to the red light 100 yards (metres) ahead. Or the tailgater who does an iffy overtake to tailgate the car ahead.
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Capacity would only increase with speed on a a clear uncongested road and only then up to a point. The faster vehicles travel the greater distance is needed between them thus reducing capacity. The disruptive effects of an accident are also far higher at high speeds.
Traffic acts much like a liquid. The aim is to to obtain a a smooth non turbulent flow. Increasing the "pressure" I.e speed in a congested system causes more turbulence and has the effect of slowing average progresss rather than increasing it.
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Reduced speeds on motorways work by reducing the wave jam effect. Always caused by some knob tailgating the car in front at speed, dabbing his brakes, causing the ones behind to dab longer and harder, and so on till it stops the entire flow some miles behind.
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>> wave jam effect
Also known as the domino effect.
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Been posted before, but still capable of timewasting mind stimulation.
www.traffic-simulation.de/
primarily for the benefit of people who do not understand the Z explanation.
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There was another of those which had lanes coming into the road. I had minutes of fun with that one... but can't remember where I found it (maybe though here)
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>> There was another of those which had lanes coming into the road. I had minutes
>> of fun with that one... but can't remember where I found it (maybe though here)
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You can add a exit or entry point look at the icons on top rhs.
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Bah - that's the afternoon taken care of then :-)
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>> but also doing 70mph in the 60mph average speed zone over the Orwell bridge.
.....well, at least one driver should be leaving you with feelings of inadequacy....
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-40801238
;-)
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Clearly the OP needs to hang his head in shame
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A good friend of ours got caught by a camera on the A595 a couple of weeks ago, that camera has been there years and he drives past it every day on his way to work, however this time it got him! He's just had an offer of a course, which he booked today, cost £90.00. The alternative was £100 + 3pts, he's chuffed he's saved a tenner!!
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Ten pounds or four hours of tedium. It's a difficult call.
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>> Ten pounds or four hours of tedium. It's a difficult call.
Points saved too. IME the course, approached with an open mind, is e learning experience. A sort of non professional CPD.
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A bit late to the party, but my £100 (and 3 points') worth:
Had to collect my wayward teenage daughter from her mother's house in the middle of the night a couple of years ago. This was some 70 miles away. Made the journey there in just under an hour, but took it a bit easier on the way back.
A week or so later two identical envelopes landed on my doormat. One was a FPN for 43mph in a 30 zone at 01:52, the other was for 37mph in the same 30 zone eight minutes later. It turns out a set of average speed cameras had recently been installed along the road leading to the den of iniquity.
I took a course for the 37mph offence and swallowed the 3 points for the 43mph. I was just thankful there were no cameras on the A1(M) south of Peterborough, or I'd probably still be getting the bus everywhere.
Last edited by: Dave_ on Sat 19 Aug 17 at 13:42
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Ha. Similar circumstances here. FPN for 36 in a 30 in my van, fully laden, bottom of a straight downhill stretch.
In the early hours of next day driving home, on a deserted dual carriage, roof down in the 330 I was at V1, rotate speeds! Definitely still be on the bus.
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We have an average speed camera set up along our seafront now.
It will probably just hit holiday makers and they probably wont be back!
The cameras are about 3/4 of a mile apart.
Quite tempted to get a set of plates made up with a mate at one end and me at the other, a second or two apart and see what happens!
Average speed noted: 400 MPH!
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Speeding... - Haywain
