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Followed a brand new 67 plate Micra, vivid metallic green, today, seems very large compared to the original.
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I saw an old and new Mini side by side the other week and thought exactly the same. The new ones are huge!
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Cars grow with age. The Fiesta is now the equivalent of the Escort and the Ka has become the new Fiesta.
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Been going on for years. It's just manufacturers creating a 'new' segment. As said, the Fiesta has grown to occupy the space taken by the old Escort. The logic is then that we need a new 'small' car, let's call it the KA which conveniently happens the be about the same size as the old Fiesta...
Same with the Polo, Clio and countless others.
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>>Followed a brand new 67 plate Micra
Badge engineering - it's a Clio - Fabrique en France
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Yet Mars bars get smaller... :-)
I think we all realise it happens, just when you see the old and new together you realise the size of the change.
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Would that marked parking slots were expanded in step with the size of cars.
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Tell that to the Sainsbury design team: Aldi have already recognised it and their car spaces are very good.
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>> Would that marked parking slots were expanded in step with the size of cars.
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Agree 100%.
And enough width so doors can be opened fully without risk of dings.
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>>And enough width so doors can be opened fully without risk of dings.
Cost my son £50 last week - came out of gym to find a crease - dent man was 5 minutes!
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The problem is people’s obsession with buying ever larger cars surely. Larger parking spaces equate to less parking spaces. If you want a larger space the tou should have to pay extra.
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I did pay extra. My current car cost me lots more than previous ‘04 3 series Beemer ragtop.
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So you won’t mind paying double the amount it costs park a Polo will you.
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No. I already pay several times more RFL and tax on fuel purchased than I would if I ran a Polo, which I did circa mid 70s, when they really were small cars with a 900cc engine.
It was a smashing little car, very different to the Polo GT I owned for a few months decades later
I’d happily own one again
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Not sure what tax and fuel price should have to do with it. If you want extra space to park an extra large vehicle you should be prepared to pay extra for it. It is surely the only fair option.
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Essentially I agree with you, but here is the issue I believe;
I will drive a Landcruiser, which causes some resentment.
You will make me pay more to park, which I can afford and will pay, meaning I am now in an elitist car park. That will cause much more resentment.
I know what running a Landcruiser costs me. In running costs, depreciation, and purchase price. Parking charges are insignificant peanuts by comparison.
In fact I'd probably welcome such a scheme, it'd at least lower the chances of some resentful little jerk dragging his shopping trolley along the side of my car out of spite.
As a general rule people want to be equal. I find more and more in the UK that means trying to drag others down, rather than pull yourself up.
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>> Not sure what tax and fuel price should have to do with it. If you
>> want extra space to park an extra large vehicle you should be prepared to pay
>> extra for it. It is surely the only fair option.
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It's not a matter of paying extra to park an extra large vehicle, rather all spaces that one pays for the use of should be fit for purpose, they should be large enough to park an average sized vehicle and to be able to open the doors fully without risk of touching a neighbouring vehicle.
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You would like car park spaces to be 50% bigger then. Fine if you think there should be 50% less parking spaces and we would all be happy to pay 50% for the privilege of using the enlarged spaces.
You could of course get a smaller car.
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Horribly pedantic I know, but wouldn't it be 33% fewer parking spaces?
(that's a double whammy)
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>> Horribly pedantic I know, but wouldn't it be 33% fewer parking spaces?
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>> (that's a double whammy)
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Oh, well done there!
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>>You could of course get a smaller car.<<
Why?
I'm happy to pay extra for a bigger parking space if that makes you happy, I'm also happy not to moan about the size of the present parking spaces available so why would I consider getting a smaller car?
It's obviously your preferred option CG, but you have to accept that doesn't automatically make it the right/only way available.
Why so judgmental anyway? Thankfully we all still have a choice to buy what we like, and long may it continue.
Pat
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If you buy two tickets can you park across two parking bays?
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Pat,
If you look at my original post on the subject I simply said if you wanted a larger space then you should be prepared to pay for it. You agree with that. What I then said would that it would be unreasonable and impractical would be to increase the size of all parking spaces to accomodate larger cars. This would obviously impact on the cost and availability of parking for everyone. Even providing a limited number of large spaces would have a similar but obviously smaller effect.
I don’t think it unreasonable or judgmental to suggest that if you can’t find space to park your vehicle then perhaps a smaller car is the solution.
I’m all for free choice but when making that choice you should consider the consequences. Just as there’s no point in buying an American style fridge if your kitchen is eight feet square there’s is no point in buying a large car if you can never find anywhere to park the thing
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I don't think it should be a consideration unless it's your own private parking space you have in mind as in many small seaside towns.
There is also this to consider
>>rather all spaces that one pays for the use of should be fit for purpose, they should be large enough to park an average sized vehicle and to be able to open the doors fully without risk of touching a neighbouring vehicle.<<
If we all buy smaller cars then parking spaces will continue to get smaller and smaller as the good and greedy landowners see the opportunity to make yet more money.
Also, if we're going down the route of paying more for a bigger space then I assume the Mother and Child spaces will attract the bigger charge too?
Pat
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You're missing the point, car parking spaces should be adequately sized, they're not, if that means that there are fewer spaces for any given area then so be it. If I pay for a space to park my car in I expect it to fit, I expect to be able to open the doors properly and I expect it to be safe from any careless oiks who may park next door.
And it's not a matter of small or large cars, the actual width difference between, say, an Up and a 7-Series is not vast and a 3dr Up, for instance, has long doors to allow access to the rear so the overall width with both doors open may well be as great as a 7-Series or similar with it's doors open.
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Absolutely, there should be this option in every car park.
Pat
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Always fancied sliding doors like those on one of the small Pugs of a few years ago (107, I think).
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>> Always fancied sliding doors like those on one of the small Pugs of a few
>> years ago (107, I think).
The 107 is what The Lad and Runfer's son both have. My daughter has one too.
It was the 1007 that had sliding doors:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peugeot_1007
The doors were powered and IIRC prone to failure and jams.
The sliding rear doors in the Berlingo were and remain an absolute boon.
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That's why I'm thinking about a Fiat Doblo as my next set of wheels.
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>>The sliding rear doors in the Berlingo were and remain an absolute boon.
And the 2018 model looks better than older ones.
vehiclesautos.com/citroen-berlingo-2018/
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vehiclesautos.com/citroen-berlingo-2018/
That's a wonderfully incomprehensible translation from the (assumed) French.
8o)
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I liked ""The inside appears somewhat uncommon, actually for contractors that are German is within things" but was sorry to note that "The couch isn't provided".
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Berlingos? They seem to have left the Opel badges on the front grilles.
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I followed a MINI Clubman through town the other day. It seemed absolutely massive, giving lie to the term "Mini". It would make many of the models that were considered family sized cars back in the day look small in comparison.
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>> giving lie to the term "Mini"
Put a normal, current MINI 3 door next to a Clubman and you see the latter is massive. Put a current 3 door next to the original and you remember how small cars could be.
But today MINI is a brand/marque and not a description of the size of car.
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>> And the 2018 model looks better than older ones.
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>> vehiclesautos.com/citroen-berlingo-2018/
That's an Opel Combo aka Fiat Doblo. Given that both bigger and smaller PSA vans and van derived cars have shared platforms/bodies eg Scudo/Dispatch/Expert and Qubo/Nemo/Bipper it'd be no surprise to see Doblo and Berlingo/Partner ranges merged.
Wonder what the towing capacities are like......
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They're still vans with windows.
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Nissan Micra - Micro size - smokie
