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 F1 and general motorsport discussion - Vol 35 - VxFan

As the title suggests, a place to discuss Formula One, and all other types of motorsport (excluding MotoGP, which has a section of its own).


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Last edited by: VxFan on Mon 29 Jul 19 at 10:55
 German GP - bathtub tom
I listened to the start on the radio to see if it would be a wet one. What a cracker!

I'll watch the highlights of that one, for the first time in a couple of years.
 German GP - Bobby
Agreed.
Now have Sky via my dodgy firestick so got to watch it live. Not the usual Hamilton Scalextric procession that’s for sure!
 German GP - Duncan
>> Agreed.
>> Now have Sky

How did you do that? I have been looking at something like that.

pm if you prefer.
 German GP - helicopter
Duncan, I recommend that you look at an app called Mobdro to put onto your firestick.Much better than Kodi IMO.I have tried both.

To do that you first need to alter the firestick settings to allow 'unknown ' apps and download another app called 'downloader '.I suggest you Google the method. I must point out that there is some contention over the legality of this .
 German GP - smokie
Mobdro (and Kodi for that matter) also work on Android phones. I've occasionally watched the likes of GP on Mobdro or Firestick but the quality usually isn't much good. And sometimes it's been unable to find a feed (which I assume means the feeds they have are overloaded).
Last edited by: smokie on Mon 29 Jul 19 at 08:23
 German GP - bathtub tom
I see Hamilton is now ninth, although he's also placed eleventh on other results. I can't find any reason for this. any clues , anyone?
 German GP - tyrednemotional
www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.alfa-romeo-penalised-post-race-williams-score-first-2019-point.4z9k1dIrDmAsJAs8KtJaUx.html
 German GP - Duncan
Wasn't he penalised for something, which may have affected his time, and therefore his place?

Sorry, I was busy riding in the Tour de France, so saw very little of F1!
 German GP - helicopter
I love watching sport and have found Mobdro to be very good on the whole , you do get the occasional buffering or the sound out of sync with the picture but I watched the GP yesterday via Sky Main Event rather than F1 channel with only two freeze ups which both cleared in 10 seconds or so .

I watched the Canadian GP via a Canadian sports channel on Mobdro( cannot recall the name offhand) when Sky F1 would not load. You can usually find a stream somewhere online.

Smartcric app on my phone and tablet is handy for the England cricket games when other methods are not available.
 German GP - smokie
Ah! I never look further than Sky F1. Good plan to find it elsewhere. Though I must admit I watch nearly all telly on catch-up, even if only timeshifted by a little bit- I would need to adjust to watching stuff live, and setting aside a specific slot to watch it in!!
 German GP - helicopter
The Canadian Channel TSN on Modbro was what I used to watch the German GP when Sky F1 froze.

Sky F1 got itself into a loop today when SWMBO was watching practice on one TV and I was watching cricket on the other .

I checked and TSN are covering the Hungarian GP if you want to watch it .

Also available on Sky Germany if you don't mind the German commentary
Last edited by: helicopter on Sat 3 Aug 19 at 13:30
 German GP - Bobby
I have taken a subscription (£50pa) to an IPTV provider.

Had previously tried Modbro etc but was never fully happen with quality and interface and reliability.

My cousin recommended this particular one, I only took it last week so wouldn't be wanting to recommend to anyone yet until I am fully happy with it and tried it for a few weeks.

watched Grand Prix and Liverpool game yesterday on it - ok its not HD / 4K quality but absolutely perfectly watchable (and I believe as I have one of the early firesticks that the quality on the newer ones is better)
 Siverstone classic TV coverage - bathtub tom
This is usually covered by ITV4, but I haven't been able to find it this year. Have I missed it, or does anyone know if it's scheduled?
 Siverstone classic TV coverage - No FM2R
I appreciate I'm a long way away and might be quite wrong, but wasn't it last weekend?
 Siverstone classic TV coverage - No FM2R
Found this for you...

"A special one-hour programme will be aired on ITV4 at the peak viewing time of nine o’clock (21.00hrs) on the evening of Thursday 11 August, with repeats broadcast at 10am on the morning of Sunday 14 August and, again at five o’clock (17.00hrs) on the afternoon of the following Tuesday 16 August."

www.autoaddicts.co.uk/silverstone-classic-on-the-tv/
Last edited by: No FM2R on Sat 3 Aug 19 at 14:51
 Siverstone classic TV coverage - bathtub tom
Thanks for that, how on earth did you find it?
 Siverstone classic TV coverage - No FM2R
I wish I could tell you how clever I was, but in reality I just put "Silverstone Classic on TV" into Google.
 Siverstone classic TV coverage - bathtub tom
>> "A special one-hour programme will be aired on ITV4 at the peak viewing time of
>> nine o’clock (21.00hrs) on the evening of Thursday 11 August, with repeats broadcast at 10am
>> on the morning of Sunday 14 August and, again at five o’clock (17.00hrs) on the
>> afternoon of the following Tuesday 16 August."


Don't know if that's an old article, but 11 Aug is a Sunday, the 14 Aug a Wednesday and 16 Aug a Friday this year.

However I did find: ITV4 will broadcast highlights immediately after live coverage of the BTCC from Thruxton on 18 August.
 Siverstone classic TV coverage - tyrednemotional
....that date (18/8) supported by other links.

If you don't want to wait, however, simply search for "Silverstone Classic 2019" on Youtube, where there is a lot of good quality footage.
 Siverstone classic TV coverage - No FM2R
You're quite right. The last time the 16th was a Tuesday was three years ago or so.

Even going back I cannot see anything to say that it was an old link. Sorry about that. I told you I wasn't being clever.

Glad you found the right date in the end.
 Siverstone classic TV coverage - tyrednemotional
>>
>> Even going back I cannot see anything to say that it was an old link.
>> Sorry about that. I told you I wasn't being clever.
>>

...the sentence towards the bottom of the page "For viewers loving what they see, the provisional date for next summer’s Silverstone Classic is 21-23 July 2017 with tickets going on sale in November" is quite a good clue, though.

;-)
 Siverstone classic TV coverage - No FM2R
How irritating. Annoying to mislead when one is trying to help.
 Siverstone classic TV coverage - tyrednemotional
...TBH, Mark, with the sidebar holding references to October 2019, it wasn't the most difficult mistake to make.....
 Hungary - helicopter
Won't spoil the result for those waiting C4 watchers but certainly a race worth watching .

 Hungary - Robin O'Reliant
I won't either, but unless you live in a cave it is impossible to avoid coming across it.
 Hungary - martin aston
But turn the sound up to hear the result because the director cut to shots of the crowd and the bloke with the flag just as the winner crossed the line so you don't see it.

My other niggle is the frequent switching between wide shots of overtakes and incar cockpit coverage. Again you often don't get to see the overtake properly. I'd prefer they majored on the external shot for the live overtake coverage. They could use the incar shots in the replay if it occasionally adds anything

Despite that the camera work these days is generally brilliant
 Hungary - VxFan
Very unfortunate for Max yesterday. He deserved to win. Again, down to strategy rather than racing determined the winner.

Complete turn around by Honda though. I thought Red Bull had made a daft decision to use their engines this year, considering their unreliability in the McLaren since returning to F1. Appears not!
 Drivers - an update - henry k
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/49317809

Thai Albon, 23, has been promoted from the team's sister outfit Toro Rosso, with Gasly going the other way.
 F2 Driver dies at Spa - Robin O'Reliant
Forty years ago this type of news was commonplace, fortunately now it is a rare occurrence -

www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/aug/31/spa-f2-race-abandoned-antoine-hubert-juan-manuel-correa-crash
Last edited by: VxFan on Sat 31 Aug 19 at 20:36
  Japanese GP. Hagibis impact - henry k
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/50009871

I they go ahead with Sunday morning qualifying in what might be iffy conditions any bent cars will have the mechanics working hard ready for the afternoon.
Under four hours for any repairs?
  Japanese GP. Hagibis impact - Manatee
Good result. I imagine Hamilton would have chosen to have a go at staying out and trying to make the tyres last for the win, but that would have been rather hard on Bottas who was in effect the security for the Mercedes win by that time. Mercedes would also have had to risk Bottas trying very hard to overtake Hamilton.

Ferrari just complicate things too much and Vettel keeps tripping over himself. Again they had the car to win, and didn't.

I'd like to see Leclerc and Verstappen in the same team.
  Japanese GP. Renault stripped of points - henry k
www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/11843333/renaults-daniel-ricciardo-and-nico-hulkenberg-stripped-of-japan-grand-prix-points
Last edited by: henry k on Thu 24 Oct 19 at 00:42
  Japanese GP. Renault stripped of points - smokie
It always surprises me when specialist designers, presumably at the top of their game, in expensive teams manage to come up with something which is in contravention of the rules of their sport. I suppose they are always "pushing the envelope" but this one seems quite clear cut.
  Japanese GP. Renault stripped of points - Zero
Not that clear cut

4. the Stewards conclude that while Renault used innovative solutions to exploit certain ambiguities in the Technical Regulations and other supporting documents, their system does not breach any current Technical Regulation.


5. However, although legal under the FIA Formula 1 Technical Regulations, as noted above, the Stewards find the Renault system constitutes a driver aid and is, therefore, not in compliance with Article 27.1 FIA FOrmula 1 Sporting Regulations, which requires the driver to drive the car alone and unaided.The brake balance adjustment system in question acts as a driver aid, by saving the driver from having to make a number of adjustments during a lap. The Stewards note that there is a clear distinction between this system and one which provides actual feedback control, which could be a substitute for driver skills or reflexes. Nevertheless, it is still an aid and, therefore, contravenes Article 27.1 FIA Formula One Sporting Regulations."



Clearly it was a worthwhile attempt to sneak through the gaps in the regs, some pass some fail

Last edited by: Zero on Thu 24 Oct 19 at 09:24
  Japanese GP. Renault stripped of points - Manatee

>> The Stewards note that there is a clear distinction between this system and one which
>> provides actual feedback control, which could be a substitute for driver skills or reflexes. Nevertheless,
>> it is still an aid and, therefore, contravenes Article 27.1 FIA Formula One Sporting Regulations."
>>
>>
>>
>> Clearly it was a worthwhile attempt to sneak through the gaps in the regs, some
>> pass some fail

They were unlucky. It was clearly not comparable with ABS/DSC/traction control.
 Hamilton feels "like giving up on everything" - VxFan
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/50061569

Lewis Hamilton has written on social media that he feels "like giving up on everything" and posted about the positives of going vegan.

The Mercedes driver sold his private jet in a bid to go greener and in September opened Neat Burger, a plant-based restaurant in London.

I wonder if he'll give up driving a gas guzzling F1 car too?

Or is he just having one of his sulks because his team mate beat him at Suzuka?
 Hamilton feels "like giving up on everything" - God
The man has got too much money IMO = "In 2018, it was reported that Hamilton had a net-worth of £159 million"

Why, only last week I was wondering what to do with a £170m lotto win - I decided I'd give away c£169m, and still be able to live relatively well.
 Hamilton feels "like giving up on everything" - Manatee
>>
>> I wonder if he'll give up driving a gas guzzling F1 car too?
>>
>> Or is he just having one of his sulks because his team mate beat him
>> at Suzuka?
>>

Well I suppose he could reason that somebody will be driving the F1 car, but he doesn't have to travel on his own in a private jet.

There's a lot of hate (I don't mean you VxFan for starting a discussion) towards climate/eco campaigners generally. No doubt Hamilton will cop it now. I really don't get that. If Greta Thunberg was my daughter I think I'd be very proud of her. The most ludicrous mockery I have seen blames today's 15 year olds for going to school in 4x4's and not returning pop bottles. From the same idiots on 'social media' who claim that climate change is a scam and that science does not support it. Time we had intelligence tests for voters.

I intend to try the Neat Burger place, it doesn't appear to be stupidly expensive despite being in Mayfair. As it happens, my daughter is now going veggie>>>vegan. She is not a faddist, never has been, and isn't trying to convert anybody else. She's a highly educated engineer who has done her research. Her motivation is as much healthier living as saving the planet. I'm a lot more impressed by her views than those of the thickos on FB.
Last edited by: Manatee on Wed 16 Oct 19 at 12:36
 Hamilton feels "like giving up on everything" - Duncan
>> If Greta Thunberg was my daughter I


would want to know why she wasn't in school.
 Hamilton feels "like giving up on everything" - Haywain
"If Greta Thunberg was my daughter I would want to know why she wasn't in school."

........ and learning how to use the subjunctive ;-)
Last edited by: Haywain on Wed 16 Oct 19 at 12:50
 Hamilton feels "like giving up on everything" - Manatee
If it were the case that I gave a toss, I would save the subjunctive for those who could appreciate it.
 Jenson Button autobiography - Boxsterboy
Read this last weekend. Apart from being brief, it is an interesting read even for someone like me who never watches the races these days. His dad clearly loved being involved and the lad seems a bit lost without him.
 Lewis Hamilton - No FM2R
An article about an interview with Lewis Hamilton, and certainly making the most of what was probably a quick chat.

However, definitely interesting and worth the read I think.

www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/50494619
Last edited by: VxFan on Wed 27 Nov 19 at 10:17
 Lewis Hamilton - Duncan
>> However, definitely interesting and worth the read I think.
>>
>> www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/50494619
>>

The photo accompanying that link on the BBC website showed him with Elton John. I didn't notice a reference to Elton John in the text.
Last edited by: VxFan on Wed 27 Nov 19 at 10:17
 Lewis Hamilton - No FM2R
I can only assume that the picture is different on the .co.uk site, because I can;t see any pictures of Mr. John on the .com site.

I realised what it is about that interview; I think the author is reporting on an interview or conversation that he witnessed, not one that he conducted.

Nonetheless, I still found it interesting and in any case I have no respect for BBC journalism left to lose.
Last edited by: VxFan on Wed 27 Nov 19 at 10:17
 Lewis Hamilton - smokie
No EJ here either.

Thankfully.
Last edited by: VxFan on Wed 27 Nov 19 at 10:18
 Lewis Hamilton - No FM2R
www.formula1.com/en/video/2019/11/Lewis_Hamilton__Interview_with_a_champion.html
Last edited by: VxFan on Wed 27 Nov 19 at 10:18
 Lewis Hamilton - smokie
He never used to be happy talking to Brundle in the pre-race bit and the interviewers respected that. When he does get interviewed he always comes across to me as a fairly straightforward Mr. nice guy, and not arrogant or smug like some might be in his position.

Not sure about his fashion sense sometimes though!! tinyurl.com/qq8tfvf
Last edited by: VxFan on Wed 27 Nov 19 at 10:18
 Lewis Hamilton - smokie
Just watch Lewis on last week's Graham Norton show. Despite some idiotic remarks from the others he was interesting to listen to and again came across as a nice bloke.

Probably on catch-up if you're interested.
Last edited by: VxFan on Wed 27 Nov 19 at 10:18
 Lewis Hamilton - tyrednemotional
>>
>> Probably on catch-up......
>>

...only available if you're in the DRS zone...
Last edited by: VxFan on Wed 27 Nov 19 at 10:18
 Lewis Hamilton - Robin O'Reliant
Formula 1 would be far more interesting if they got the drivers drunk before the race.
Last edited by: VxFan on Wed 27 Nov 19 at 10:18
 Will pull me push me Mercedes be the answer ? - henry k
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/51576106
 Will pull me push me Mercedes be the answer ? - bathtub tom
I've a theory about what this is doing:
As the wheels have an amount of negative camber, it means they're trying to turn in to each other (imagine they're part of a cone). The toe-out, sort of, corrects this.
The camber and toe cause 'scrub'.
By reducing the toe-out in a straight line, the amount of 'scrub' is reduced, hence reducing friction, giving a , marginal, increase in performance.
 Will pull me push me Mercedes be the answer ? - No FM2R
Pretty much what it said in the article, seems likely. Though you;d think it would be tyre saving rather than directly speed.
Last edited by: No FM2R on Thu 20 Feb 20 at 19:12
 Will pull me push me Mercedes be the answer ? - henry k
OK ? Get back in line you lot. 2020 fun only.

Mercedes steering device to be banned by FIA from 2021

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/51584557
 Will pull me push me Mercedes be the answer ? - smokie
There is a case for putting all the drivers in exactly the same car and just winning on merit rather than expensive technical trickery.
 Will pull me push me Mercedes be the answer ? - Zero
was always going to be banned, the FIA traditionally do not allow any part of the cars physical geometry or profile to be adjustable by the driver. Clearly this sneaked through a loophole. Every team employs loophole sneaker specialists to exploit rules.
 Will pull me push me Mercedes be the answer ? - smokie
They always have but some have much more resource to do this stuff, and when they are allowed to get away with it it really doesn't leave a very level playing field.

I suppose it's the same in all sports though, the teams with the money will usually come out in the top echelon,
 Will pull me push me Mercedes be the answer ? - Zero
Unless you are Manchester City.
 Will pull me push me Mercedes be the answer ? - henry k
>> I suppose it's the same in all sports though
>> the teams with the money will usually come out in the top echelon,
>>
One notable exception re a basic design is the NZ team's approach in the last Americas Cup pedaling to victory :-)

Comments re the next event ?
The radical foiling monohulls use cutting-edge technology and the $100 million price tag has put a lot of other teams off.


 F1 season suspended because of Corona Virus - VxFan

F1 season set to be suspended until at least May with Bahrain and Vietnam races called off.

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/51871615
  Vettel to leave Ferrari at end of 2020 - henry k
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/52612216
  Vettel to leave Ferrari at end of 2020 - smokie
Wow, that's a surprise! I wonder how much the "vastly reduced salary" was, given it's reported he was on at least $40m. He's been off the boil for the past few seasons so a change of blood would be good for Ferrari.
 Carlos Sainz to Ferrari,Ricciardo to McLaren - henry k
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/52627900
 British GP 1950 - henry k
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/formula1/52641917

BBC Newsreel footage of the British and European Grand Prix on 13 May 1950, designated as the first ever F1 World Championship race.

The race took place at Silverstone in the presence of King George VI, Queen Elizabeth and Princess Margaret,
 Formula E - henry k
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/motorsport/52692955

Highlights with rather a lot of action.
 F1 innovation - John Boy
I'm not really interested in F1, so I found this by accident, but found it fascinating. Don't miss the video explanation lower down the page:
inews.co.uk/sport/formula-one/das-mercedes-f1-dual-axis-steering-rules-lewis-hamilton-valtteri-bottas-405147
 F1 innovation - Zero
BREAKING NEWS
Ferrari F1 team fired their entire pit crew yesterday."
This announcement followed Ferrari's decision to take advantage of the British government's 'Work for your Dole' scheme and employ some Liverpool youngsters.
The decision to hire them was brought about by a recent documentary on how unemployed youths were able to remove a set of wheels in less than 6 seconds without proper equipment, whereas Ferrari's existing crew could only do it in 8 seconds with millions of pounds worth of high tech equipment.
It was thought to be an excellent, bold move by the Ferrari management team as most races are won and lost in the pits, giving Ferrari an advantage over every other team.
However, Ferrari got more than they bargained for. At the crew's first practice session, not only was the scouse pit crew able to change all four wheels and tyres in under 6 seconds but, within 12 seconds, they had re-sprayed, re-badged and sold the car to the Mclaren team for 8 cases of Stella, a bag of weed and some photos of Lewis Hamilton's bird in the shower.
 F1 innovation - Bromptonaut
That one's been doing the rounds as long as Hamilton's been racing.

And there's probably another version with different team names and a reference to James Hunt's bird in the shower......
 F1 innovation - henry k
Meanwhile one less option for Vettel

www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1Jqa1ypMPI

Lewis still asking for mega bucks?
Will his friend Toto suggest where else are you going if you want another championship in 2021 ?
This is is all we can afford !
( Plenty of CVs in the in tray )
 F1 innovation - bathtub tom
I think you may have used the wrong youtube link.
 F1 innovation - henry k
>> I think you may have used the wrong youtube link.
>>
Worse than that:-(
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/53325412
Been a busy day. Just beat the rain before sundown.
 F1 returns to the Nürburgring! - Rudedog
Back to to the GP circuit on Oct 9-11.

 F1 Hamilton Upset About Lack Of Support for BLM - Duncan
Hamilton is upset because drivers are not giving the support to anti-racism thet he feels they should.

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/53466125
 F1 Hamilton Upset About Lack Of Support for BLM - smokie
Regardless of my stance on the issue, and also I will say that Hamilton is one of my favourite ever drivers/personalities (and Grosjean one of my least!!), I hate this "calling out" of people because they don't/won't agree with you, or do what you want them to.

I think Hamilton needs to consider that not everyone necessarily wants to nail their flag to any mast publicly, for reasons which are none of his business. Also that people may well have held views in the past which they are trying to adjust. Or even that they simply do not agree with him, or the methods.

He has now placed Grosjean in an impossible position for the next time they take a knee - does he cave in and do something he doesn't want to do just because to not do it would have "connotations"? Some would say that's bullying.



When writing this I wrote a long bit about recent experiences on my old school FB group with BLM but I need to check I've not already done it before, before I post it - it's also not really for this thread anyway.
 F1 Hamilton Upset About Lack Of Support for BLM - Manatee
I dislike people being shamed into kneebending etc. but Hamilton is getting a lot hate on one of the local FB groups. To my mind most of it is just racism which is beyond irony.

 F1 Hamilton Upset About Lack Of Support for BLM - Zero
>> I dislike people being shamed into kneebending etc. but Hamilton is getting a lot hate
>> on one of the local FB groups. To my mind most of it is just
>> racism which is beyond irony.

He has become a more than a little "hollywood" with all the pretentious excess's and demands that brings, dumping his father along the way who scrimped worked and saved to get him where he is.

Disliking a human being because of that? Thats not racism.
 F1 Hamilton Upset About Lack Of Support for BLM - Manatee

>> He has become a more than a little "hollywood" with all the pretentious excess's and
>> demands that brings, dumping his father along the way who scrimped worked and saved to
>> get him where he is.
>>
>> Disliking a human being because of that? Thats not racism.

No, I agree of course. I'm referring to blind hatred. One even used the word 'uppity' before a long rant about how he is a rubbish driver despite winning 6 world championships. I wouldn't be at all surprised to find him obnoxious at close quarters, wealth and fame do that and other things to a lot of people. We've probably all encountered celebs with cuddly images who were anything but.

As a racing driver he is a phenomenon and worthy of respect. The rest is noise as far as I'm concerned. Maybe he'll surprise with his post-F1 career.
 F1 Hamilton Upset About Lack Of Support for BLM - Zero
>> As a racing driver he is a phenomenon and worthy of respect. The rest is
>> noise as far as I'm concerned. Maybe he'll surprise with his post-F1 career.

Schumacher and Hamilton, probably finest two ever maybe with Fangio. As a human being, cranky and cantankerous* tho he was, Schuie is by far the better person. Even in his vegetative state!


* to be fair, that seems to be a pre requisite. Except Damon and Jenson maybe, but then they were never really ace drivers.
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 F1 Hamilton Upset About Lack Of Support for BLM - bathtub tom
He needs to be careful about what he wants.

BLM aim 1: To abolish the police force
BLM aim 2: To abolish capitalism (that'll put a dampener on his lifestyle)
BLM aim 3: To close prisons

Imagine all those murderers, rapists and paedophiles wandering around freely.
 F1 Hamilton Upset About Lack Of Support for BLM - Bromptonaut
>> He needs to be careful about what he wants.
>>
>> BLM aim 1: To abolish the police force
>> BLM aim 2: To abolish capitalism (that'll put a dampener on his lifestyle)
>> BLM aim 3: To close prisons

Are those published objectives?

My understanding is that BLM in the UK is s pretty loose alliance with a primary objective around treatment of BAME people by the Police and wider justice system. While there may be individuals under its umbrella who espouse some or all of this views I've seen nothing to suggest it has them as serious policy positions.
 F1 Hamilton Upset About Lack Of Support for BLM - bathtub tom
www.spectator.co.uk/article/revealed-what-black-lives-matter-really-stands-for
 F1 Hamilton Upset About Lack Of Support for BLM - VxFan
>> Imagine all those murderers, rapists and paedophiles wandering around freely.

The latter a few years ago were doing so at the BBC.
 F1 Hamilton Upset About Lack Of Support for BLM - No FM2R
>>The rest is noise as far as I'm concerned.

Agreed. But getting noisier.

www.bbc.com/news/uk-53559934
 F1 Hamilton Upset About Lack Of Support for BLM - Duncan

>> www.bbc.com/news/uk-53559934
>>

Is Hamilton losing the plot?
 Portugal GP - smokie
It's been announced that F1 will race at Portimao in Oct. I am going to be not far from there at that time, and had already deliberately made my holiday a week longer than planned (into Nov) to take in the European Le Mans series race that's also in their schedule.

It could have been a great motor racing fortnight but both races are very likely to be behind closed doors... :-(
 Portugal GP - Rudedog
Maybe not.. the German VLN racing that I follow has just allowed spectators into certain parts of the Nürburgring, not sure it will be same when F1 is on the GP track in October.

 Portugal GP - smokie
Tickets went on sale for Portugal earlier, but I'm having no luck with their website, either for the F1 or the European Le Mans.

EDIT: Spinning wheel when trying to access parts of the website so I guess servers are overloaded.
Last edited by: smokie on Sat 25 Jul 20 at 16:01
 British GP - henry k
Hulkenberg going well. An impressive stand in without any preparation or familiarity with the car.

From the BBC
A number of people are questioning what on Earth Sergio Perez thought he was doing going back to Mexico, one of the coronavirus hot-spots, in a week between two grands prix.
There were mitigating circumstances, his mother had an accident and been taken to hospital, but many people will regard it as a quite flagrant disregard of his responsibilities professionally, even if it was a private plane, in going back to a country where the virus is so prevalent and it has bitten him badly.
a response
It is absolutely not up to the individual what they do between races when a) they put everyone at risk of infection, and b) putting the team's income at risk by being away and making the team use another driver with less experience in the current car.
 British GP - No FM2R
Right, so my mother has had an accident and is in hospital and work says I can't go see her?

Screw that, they can FRO.

They can tell me I'm not coming back if they want, but they won't.

>>many people will regard it as a quite flagrant disregard of his responsibilities professionally

"many people" can also get a life.
Last edited by: No FM2R on Fri 31 Jul 20 at 16:46
 British GP - Manatee
I agree, it doesn't matter that she might not be critical - when I thought my presence would help my sick mother I'd go. More than once I jumped in the car and drove a couple of hundred miles when she'd had a 'funny turn'. My mother was always there when I needed her, when the shoe's on the other foot you go.

Loyalty is for people, not in general businesses. I've felt loyalty to individuals I have worked for but never for an employer that would and should not hesitate to get rid of me if it were expedient.
 British GP - commerdriver
Absolutely Mark, family comes first.
Never had an issue with my 1 and only employer about that in any of its guises from the late 70s right up to December last year.
 British GP - Duncan
And that's how the disease is transmitted, as Mr Perez has demonstrated.
 British GP - PR
No one actually knows where he picked up the virus anyway!
 British GP - Manatee
Pirelli must be readying their excuses. Four left front tyres popped in the last 2 or 3 laps. Raikonnen, Sainz, Bottas, Hamilton.

I'm assuming that's what happened to Raikonnen, he had a smashed front wing and a flat tyre.

I didn't exactly predict it, but Bottas had been on the radio about a vibration that he said wasn't a flat spot - I thought "well that's not going to mend itself".
 British GP - Duncan
More 'joined up' approach?

www.telegraph.co.uk/formula-1/2020/08/02/lewis-hamilton-happy-f1s-joined-up-approach-anti-racism-demonstration/
 British GP - henry k
Christian Horner said there was lots of damage on Max's tyres that they changed near the end of the race
 Belgian GP, Spa - Manatee
Anybody follow F1 closely enough to have a clue what's going on with Ferrari? They started and finished 13th and 14th at Spa.

The consensus seems to be that it's to do with engine power, and that the car was never as aerodynamically efficient as was supposed; a mysterious and significant decline in engine power has put Ferrari in the embarrassing position of being slower than they were last year.

The C4 commentary team alluded briefly to a 'clarification of the rules' by the FIA without any more explanation. This surely means the clarifications around peak fuel flow measurement which is the only one I recall pre-season? It was a response to questions from Red Bull about the legality of certain hypothetical methods of massaging fuel flow data, presumably designed to flush out whatever Ferrari was doing.

The obvious inference is that Ferrari had found a way to massage the fuel flow data which would be quite clever as it is sampled around 2,000 times per second. They have now been prevented from doing that so they can't win.

The Ferrari chassis looks as if it's nothing special anyway. Their own cars both finished behind Raikonnen's Sauber/Alfa Romeo which has the same engine.

As for the rest, Hamilton, Bottas, Verstappen and Ricciardo started 1-2-3-4 and finished in that order - the only surprise there being Renault, who actually finished 4th and 5th. There was some reasonable action back down the field.

I am just not understanding why the presenters and their interviewees were affecting? to be puzzled by Ferrari's terrible performance - have I got it wrong?

 Belgian GP, Spa - smokie
The statements made for public consumption by the team and others is that the tyres were a problem (they couldn't make them reach optimal temperature) and it will not affect other tracks.

I've also seen it said that they couldn't generate enough downforce for Spa, which needs a lot, but another site says they were a lot slower on the straights than last year but quicker through the corners, which they say is down to the reduced engine performance.

And I think a couple of bad strategy decisions were costly - having to two-stop LeClerc because of starting on the soft tyre didn't work out.
 Belgian GP, Spa - Mr Moo
It seems likely that for the 2019 season, Ferrari had found a way of circumventing the device which measures fuel flow and hence had more power. There were also rumours that they were burning more oil than other teams and I think the FIA has clamped down on that too. As I understand it, the oil was effectively being used as a fuel and thus was helping to get more power out of the engine.

Now that the engine is supposedly the least powerful on the grid, they’re having to run the car with a very low downforce setup, to maximise their ‘speed’ on the straights. However, they’re also suffering in the corners due to the lack of downforce.

They appear to have a weak engine, poor aerodynamics and an indifferent chassis!






 Belgian GP, Spa - Manatee
Pretty much the same view then. I'd forgotten about the oil, I remember now it being mentioned last season.

Scandal always makes the best news, but they're glossing over it. Ferrari has probably been firing out solicitors' letters warning people to to make potentially damaging statements the truth of which they can't prove.



 Belgian GP, Spa - bathtub tom
I recall a '60s motorcycle racer who determined petrol had a higher calorific value than oil. He increased his petroil ratio to homeopathic levels.
Yes, he seized a few engines, but he may have been the forerunner of modern economical measures.
 Belgian GP, Spa - PR
As is normal in F1 rules are there to be exploited.

FIA checks on the Ferrari engine / setup throughout 2019 showed nothing wrong.
They obviously had something up their sleeve that the FIA clamped down on (or added to the regulations).
The fact Ferrari is being vilified in the UK press is nothing new.
Mercedes started the oil burn phenomenon for exactly the same reason as the suspected Ferrari issue (ie burn more "fuel").. though this was seen as clever.

Also the DAS system on the Merc in my eyes is not in the least bit legal. You can't have adjustable suspension, its banned. They claim its part of the steering but as Jenson Button pointed out, why are they using it on the straights then!

Ferrari are doubly in trouble now though, as Mercedes succesfully lobbied to have regulations that were due in 2021 to be put back until 2022 because of Covid, with little or no development allowed until then. So they have locked their advantage for 2 years. And they claim they wish Ferrari was challenging them... ye right!

Its F1

And yes, I am a Ferrari fan haha
 Belgian GP, Spa - Manatee
I have no doubt that all teams spend many person-hours picking apart the wording of the regs to find opportunities, as Mercedes has done with the steering wheeze.

There must be a grey area in which exploiting the regs, and simply breaching them and concealing it, blur together. Maybe the FIA's view is that Ferrari have strayed into that area hence the secret agreement. Presumably they aren't bang to rights or they would have been fined points or money.

I would rather that Ferrari be competitive of course. And that Vettel regains some form.
 Belgian GP, Spa - bathtub tom
When I was sporting a KIA Pride, I found the later versions had 13" wheels and fitted Suzuki Swift GT ones.
Have you ever tried finding decent 12" tyres?
Got myself an FTD on an autotest (outright win) and was heading for a class award on a trial when I bust the diff.
Fitting a new gearbox gave me a stroke.
 Italian GP - bathtub tom
That was a damn sight more interesting! Haven't bothered with the last few after seeing the results. Even Verstappen said he found the last boring.

I'll have to try and find out what the new regs on changing engine settings are.
 Italian GP - smokie
Just cos all the majors get a problem doesn't really make it more interesting except you then realise how good a driver Lewis is, and it's nice to see someone different on the podium.

I don't recall ever seeing a grid start in the middle of a race before though!
 Italian GP - henry k
Oh dear. The circus is coming to town?

Formula 1 set to revive reverse-grid sprint race plans
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/54063417
 F1 driver wealth - No FM2R
If one types in the following into Google then one receives the following answers;

lewis hamilton net worth
$285 million

michael schumacher net worth
$790 million

Now clearly I'd welcome either of those ridiculous fortunes, but I am comforted because it seems just. Schumacher always seemed like a more substantial man to me. Though not necessarily a nicer one. Whereas Hamilton seems like a lightweight crowd player, albeit clearly a genius driver.

Comforted because by any other motor-racing metric Hamilton is either winning or about to. But I simply don't like him. Not that I know him or have a good reason for my feelings.
Last edited by: VxFan on Mon 14 Sep 20 at 02:26
 F1 driver wealth - No FM2R
drivetribe.com/p/top-10-richest-formula-one-drivers-Qv_49yZETdCNKVqWaX9LIw
Last edited by: VxFan on Mon 14 Sep 20 at 02:26
 F1 driver wealth - Bromptonaut
>> drivetribe.com/p/top-10-richest-formula-one-drivers-Qv_49yZETdCNKVqWaX9LIw

There is an asterisk against Hamilton's wealth but not any of the others. I'd expect it to refer to a footnote but cannot locate one.

It's also apparent that Schumacher is in a league of his own with rest of them sub £300 million.
 F1 driver wealth - Manatee
Schumacher was massively talented and he cheated blatantly. Not worthy of my admiration. The same could be said of the sainted Senna, who was even more talented IMO.

One can't really 'like' someone one doesn't know but I have more respect for Hamilton than either.

Hamilton attracts a lot of outright hatred. None of the reasons usually given make any sense at all -

- he's a hypocrite (supports environmental causes while driving a F1 car)
- he's untalented and only wins because he has the best car/he was given every possible opportunity by Mclaren from birth
- he's a bad loser
- he's a tax avoider because he lives in Monaco

and that's about it.

I don't recall Button or Damon Hill getting anything like it even though they too had their critics. Perhaps Hamilton is just too different.
 F1 driver wealth - Zero
Schumacher was a driven force, out to win at any cost, and yes prepared to cheat.

He was never however endowed with an overblown sense of his own celebrity self importance.

 F1 driver wealth - smokie
... though I remember Le Mans mates who had been to F1 saying you could never get near the drivers, esp Schumi, for the heavies, whereas you get some good formal and informal opportunities to talk to the drivers at endurance racing - I've chatted with Mark Webber, Johnny Herbert and Alan McNish (back in their respective days, and since) and other "senior" drivers like and Stephan Ortelli, and Johnny McConnell with many of the Corvette team have joined us at Friday night BBQs at a US meeting (Sebring).

I think sometimes the PR is overwhelming to keep some of the mystery of celebrity alive.
 F1 driver wealth - Manatee
>> Schumacher was a driven force, out to win at any cost, and yes prepared to
>> cheat.
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>> He was never however endowed with an overblown sense of his own celebrity self importance.

Those two statements aren't congruent.

Schumacher's willingness to to ram Villeneuve amidships and to put Hill out of contention in Adelaide are evidence of his sense of entitlement and self importance.
Last edited by: Manatee on Wed 16 Sep 20 at 11:49
 F1 driver wealth - Terry
To get to the top, particularly if large amounts of money are involved, requires:

- outstanding ability in their chosen discipline
- willingness to do almost anything to win
- obsessive attention to the finest of detail
- happy to sacrifice relationships and pretty much everything else in pursuit of success.

The only question is whether they are able to detach themselves from "winner" characteristics to function on a social level.

Many F1 drivers seem to be able to do this, at least superficially - the "selection" process must additionally include how well they can help keep sponsors etc signing the cheques.
 F1 driver wealth - Zero

>> Those two statements aren't congruent.

Yes they are

>> Schumacher's willingness to to ram Villeneuve amidships and to put Hill out of contention in
>> Adelaide are evidence of his sense of entitlement and self importance.

Cobblers, doesn't compute. . And thats before we get to you leaving out celebrity.
 Russian GP - bathtub tom
Did Vettel's crew repair the car, or did he jump in a spare?

I thought the spare car concept was abolished years ago?
 Russian GP - No FM2R
Ferrari say Vettel's car will "require a lot of work" before Sunday's race, which is live only on Sky Sports F1 at 12.10pm.
 Eifel GP - No FM2R
I'm going to mention today's F1 result....
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Hamilton is now three clear race victories ahead with six to go. I guess that is almost certainly another world championship.

Smokie - the next is in Portimao which is presumably close to you?

You have to feel sympathy for Bottas. He keeps hacking away but every time he gets pole, or any advantage, or fastest lap, something goes wrong to spoil his day.

I find Hamilton increasingly irritating off the track, but there is no doubt he's a great driver. To equal and soon to surpass Schumacher's record is a fit that I don't think I ever expected anybody to do.

Since I assume that the internal combustion engine is going to become less and less important to car manufacturers then I'd assume that F1 days are numbered. Presumably meaning that Hamilton will be the last to have a long and successful career.

Verstappen is clearly very good, but I simply don't think he'll have time.

5 more years of aggressively developing F1 I should think, and then the manufacturer's focus will shift elsewhere.
Last edited by: VxFan on Mon 12 Oct 20 at 10:37
 Eifel GP - Robin O'Reliant
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>> 5 more years of aggressively developing F1 I should think, and then the manufacturer's focus
>> will shift elsewhere.
>>

That's about the maximum I'd give it, at least in anything like it's present form. What incentive to the major car makers have to invest untold millions into the sport anymore?
Last edited by: VxFan on Mon 12 Oct 20 at 10:37
 Eifel GP - zippy
Nice gesture of Mick Schumacher to give Lewis Hamilton one of his father's helmets for equalling his record of 91 wins.
Last edited by: VxFan on Mon 12 Oct 20 at 10:37
 Eifel GP - VxFan
>> Nice gesture of Mick Schumacher to give Lewis Hamilton one of his father's helmets for
equalling his record of 91 wins.

And well done to whoever it was who removed it from the podium before it got drenched in champagne.
 Eifel GP - VxFan
>> Smokie - the next is in Portimao which is presumably close to you?

I thought he lived in Basingstoke?
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