| Motoring Discussion > Police training exercise? | Miscellaneous |
| Thread Author: Lygonos | Replies: 9 |
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New Wed 19 Feb 20 16:19
Police training exercise? - Lygonos
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2pm yesterday heading westbound on M9 saw 2 patrol cars side-by-side eastbound with lights flashing, slowing the cars behind them. Have seen this before (in front of me) where they were bringing the motorway to a halt so some kids could get safely across from the central reservation where they'd obviously gotten stuck. However, on this occasion less than a mile further along there was a blue Passat ripping down the motorway with 3 or 4 plod apparently in pursuit. Today about 2.30pm I saw presumably the same (somewhat bashed along the sides) Passat stopped on the hard shoulder with 4 patrol cars in front and behind it - I drove along the motorway this morning and there was no car on the hard shoulder at that time. Presumably this has been a 'live' training exercise for the Police rather than the same dude being stopped on 2 different days... Must have been quite exciting for the punters on the motorway at the time! |
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New Wed 19 Feb 20 16:58
Police training exercise? - smokie
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The rolling roadblock used to be a frequent sight when I used to commute on the M4 between Reading and London, usually to allow a Royal or two unfettered access onto the motorway. Once on the motorway often there are police motorbikes considerably ahead to temporarily close down on-ramps till they've passed. The convoy is usually about 3 black Range Rover type cars which travel pretty fast, very close nose to tail, in the outside lane. Charles uses the M4 to travel between London and Highgrove, and back in the day Wills and Harry were at school here in Wokingham so Di used to drop them off at school. She once dropped into a local sweet shop occasionally to get them some goodies. I once inadvertently managed to join the motorway between her car and the following security vehicle, much to their rather obvious annoyance. That was quite exciting the first few times I saw it. |
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New Wed 19 Feb 20 21:41
Police training exercise? - Bobby
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Have seen this police exercise a couple of times on M8 between junctions 3A and 5. The time I saw it, it was a Mondeo that was the target car. Quite impressive to watch! Re th epolice escorts, a couple of years ago there was a very high profile court case in Glasgow involving different mebers of the two main drugs gangs up here. They had been distributed around 3 prisons and it was deemed safest that every morning and evening they would do a full convoy in a loop system between the courts and the prisons. It passed me a few times on the M8 and it was very impressive - a few X5's (armed) and 2 of the G4S prisoner vans with motorcycle outriders. You would have struggled to get a fag paper between the vehicles as they raced along the M8. I believe that G4S used police drivers for their vans as well. The court was across from my old work in Glasgow - at one point I heard a helicopter and looked out to see the whole road closed off and the police helicopter hovering very low above the vehicles. Quite ironic as the Court is round the corner from the Clutha bar where a police helicopter had previously crashed through. |
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New Thu 20 Feb 20 00:06
Police training exercise? - zippy
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This is one convoy to see.... www.nukewatch.org.uk/?page_id=21 I have seen the Royal convoys a few times around Slough on the M4. The process is well rehearsed by the BIBs and it is impressive to see. About 4 years ago there were dozens of black cars with blue lights on the M25 I thought perhaps an incident in London / Heathrow as it was around Chertsey. Seemed to go on for ages. At around the same time (within a month or so) on the M40, about 5 black 4x4s and loads of police cars / bikes on the bit that's cut through the hill north of High Wycombe (I guess David Cameron's convoy at the time). |
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New Thu 20 Feb 20 00:27
Police training exercise? - Fullchat
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It was known as TPAC - Tactical Pursuit and Containment and is now known as Pursuit Management. For Motorway scenarios there is generally the 'Target' vehicle which has been followed then pursued by a marked vehicle. The driver or passenger (preferably) becomes the Pursuit Commander and begins to pull together resources and identify suitable locations. 3 marked cars are formed up to form a rolling road block on the motorway holding back the general traffic. The Target is blocked by the slow moving traffic and takes to the hard shoulder. At this point the 3 rolling road vehicles accelerate hard to create a sterile area and then reduce speed and form a line across the motorway. The aim is to encourage the Target preferably toward the hard shoulder or towards the central barrier by means of creating a staggered 'chevron'. At the appropriate moment the target is 'wrapped around' by all 4 cars and brought to a halt. In training the scenarios will have started some time earlier with the Target vehicle showing itself and the scenario developing. After the stop all vehicles immediately stand down to reduce inconvenience and debrief. Somewhere behind will be a safety car holding back the traffic having taken over from 3 rolling road vehicles as the Target car slips through. This wouldn't happen in a real live scenario. It is very resource and time intensive. Pulling 4 Traffic cars together at the same time and place is not easy with current resources. There is some flexibility in the tactics. |
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New Thu 20 Feb 20 01:50
Police training exercise? - No FM2R
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| Cheers. Fascinating. |
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New Thu 20 Feb 20 07:14
Police training exercise? - Lygonos
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| Thanks FC - certainly sounds like the scenario I saw on the first day. |
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New Thu 20 Feb 20 11:43
Police training exercise? - smokie
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Some years back (maybe 20+, well before more recent cuts and before Pat and Carl*, for those who remember them) I went out with a neighbour twice on Friday evening shifts - Thames Valley traffic. He covered an area from (I think) Newbury to Heathrow, which is god knows how many miles of road and motorway. There was one other "traffic" out for most of the evening, but just two to cover a massive area. The local plod are separate but can't do the pursiots etc. They were both fascinating evenings out. *Pat and Carl were an oft-featured team in one of the first "reality" police shows, Road Wars, where the cameras are out with the crews. That was Thames Valley too. |
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New Thu 20 Feb 20 12:16
Police training exercise? - Fullchat
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Just as an addition. Ideally if the pursuit can be put on the Motorway it is deemed to be safer providing the sterile area can be created and maintained. Certainly safer than built up areas. Keeping the pursuit on the Motorway and towards resources is the next challenge. Marked cars (can be non trained) or the rolling road cars can become feeder cars basically occupying (not static blocking) slip roads. This has the effect of keeping the target on the required route. If the feeder has come from the rolling road then its replaced from behind or has to play catch up Your Pursuit Commander can have moved up to the rolling road in which case the feeder can now become the Pursuit Commander. Close junctions cause resource problems. All very dynamic, multi tasking required with good communication skills. Whilst it is the norm to be very rather anal about damaging vehicles it is accepted that one must be somewhat more robust and a little less caring about bodywork during Pursuit Management. :) Chances are a pursuit may go cross border so communication has to be established with the approaching force area. Trying to 'dial in' an Airwave radio set at + 100MPH to another control room is not to be recommended so there are short cut keys for joint frequencies. Single carriageways and dual carriageways all have specific tactics and Air Support can take an immense amount of pressure off. Safety, of course, is paramount. Training and authorisation is all required. Last edited by: Fullchat on Thu 20 Feb 20 at 12:18
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New Thu 20 Feb 20 20:05
Police training exercise? - Kevin
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>Pulling 4 Traffic cars together at the same time and place is not easy with current resources. >There is some flexibility in the tactics. They use PCSOs on mountain bikes for TPAC around Basingstoke. |
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