Motoring Discussion > My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. Accessories and Parts
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 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - Zero
Its bleating for a second service, so in it goes. 37k miles, 2 years and 7 months old.

Phone call from BMW Dealer

"we have done a key read, Its going to cost £836 pounds sir"

"stunned silence"

"Sir? are you alright"

"No its not going to cost £836 go back to your parts department and come back with a list of parts it needs, what you are doing, and come back with a proper price"

Rig Ring

"Sir, it needs spark plugs, oil, oil filter, air filter, cabin filter, parts and labour its now £720"


"Right, as this is the last time my car will ever grace your service reception again, get it done"


There are a few BMW specialist Indies round here, its out of warranty in Nov, so it will be off to them




 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - tyrednemotional
....one of the reasons I negotiated a BMW-underwritten 5-year service inclusive package into my X1 purchase.

It's actually booked in for the next service in two weeks time, and I saw what BMW were invoiced by the dealer for the last service :-O.

(At the time of purchase, the 5-year plan was of a cost that allowed me to negotiate it in at no extra cost - I think BMW must have under-priced and caught a cold on these, as within but a few weeks it was replaced by a 3-year plan at almost the same price).

If it is still mine after 5 years, then an indie, or a "BMW Value Service" is the next option.
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - Runfer D'Hills
"Our" local independent repair and service garage is owned by a neighbour, and his workshop is a ten minute walk from where we live. He's been "looking after" our personal cars for 18 years and always seems to do a good job at a fair price. Even loans us an old banger if we need it when he has our cars in.

Three men and a dog type business in an old industrial unit, but he has all the kit. Anyway, now that I've bought the Merc it'll be going there for any fettling it needs. The garage owner's own car is an E class, so I'm confident he'll know which spanners to use on mine.

Does tyres too, he doesn't stock them, but if you tell him what you want, he can usually quote competitively and order them in. I like how easy it all is. Sends us a postcard when MOTs are due and so on.
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - tyrednemotional
>>Sends us a postcard when MOTs are due and so on.
>>


...obviously up to date with all the leading-edge technology ;-)
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - Runfer D'Hills
Touches his forelock in greeting too. ;-)
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - Zero
Hmmm - this looks interesting.

www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FULL-BMW-E-F-Series-K-Dcan-Switch-USB-ENET-Cable-ISTA-DIAGNOSTIC-SOFTWARE/164230045363?

or maybe a Carly can update reset service indicator.

When I get the list of parts used, I'll do a compare to see what I could have got OEM ones for.
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - Duncan
>>
>> reset service indicator.

This bloke says this

itstillruns.com/reset-bmw-service-indicator-5068469.html
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - Zero

>> This bloke says this
>>
>> itstillruns.com/reset-bmw-service-indicator-5068469.html

that bloke is talking through his seat springs. He may have been right abut 30 years ago.
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - Bobby
I got my X1 this time last year through a recommended auction buyer. Had all the toys I wanted plus a lot more. Was two and a half years old at this time.
I contacted BMW to ask for the full spec of my car build in case there were any toys that I hadn’t found yet. (There were)
On their reply they advised that my car also came with the 5 year service plan which was another bonus! Service will be due Oct 2020 when the car will be 4 years old so not sure if this will be the last service it gets under this plan.
Having read this, I will be treble checking when I book it in as to exactly what is covered and what may not be!
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - tyrednemotional
These service plans appear now not to be available, even in the three-year form.

I checked my purchase invoice, and the 5-year plan was £475 at purchase time (though as I say, I got it included as a "sweetener").

Documentation isn't easy to find this far down the line, but I have a copy of the outline, Bobby (I would suspect you won't have the "plus" option, but I've included it for completeness):

a) BMW Service Inclusive covers the cost of parts, labour and fluids for the following service items: engine oil service, engine oil topup, brake fluid (at 3rd year only), vehicle check, air filter, microfilter, fuel filter (diesel models only) and spark plugs. These items are covered from the date of first registration for a period of 5 years or 50,000 miles (whichever occurs sooner).

b) BMW Service Inclusive Plus covers the cost of parts, labour and fluids for the following service items: engine oil service, engine oil top-up, brake fluid (at 3rd year only), vehicle check, air filter, microfilter, fuel filter (diesel models only) and spark plugs. It also covers the cost of the following maintenance items if required due to wear and tear: brake pads, brake discs, brake sensors, wiper blade rubbers (up to 2 sets within the package period) and clutch. These items are covered from the date of first registration for a period of 5 years or 50,000 miles (whichever occurs sooner).


The deal is likely to also include "MOT Protect":

1. MOT Protect cover will rectify any technical issues described hereafter that cause the vehicle to fail its second and third MOT which will be due no later than 48 and 60 months from the date of first registration. MOT Protect is included within the Retailer Warranty for
the first MOT at 48 months in Northern Ireland.
2. All items will be covered with the exception of the windscreen, wheels, tyres and items replaced as part of routine servicing (e.g. brake disks and pads) modified and/or non BMW components. The cost of the MOT test, re-test and advisories will not be covered
neither will failure as a result of neglect or adjustments and damage resulting from impact or accident, or faulty repair of any item be covered. Vehicles used for competitions, racing, pace making, or rallies are excluded.
3. The MOT repair work has to be carried out by a BMW Authorised Retailer / Workshop within 30 days of the MOT inspection failure.
4. The vehicle must have a complete service history according to Manufacturer’s criteria.



...and the service at 4 years will be the last one covered.
Last edited by: tyrednemotional on Tue 16 Jun 20 at 09:22
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - Bobby
Cheers, you are right, I am on the Service Inclusive pack as per

" 4 Year Service Inclusive expires 29th September 2020

- 5th Year Service Inclusive Extension expires 29th September 2021

- 24 Month MOT Protection expires 29th September 2021"

 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - PeterS
My annual mileage is somewhat lower than yours - maybe 12k a year or so and so I’ve always found BMW servicing to be fairly reasonable on whole since I’ve only needed a visit very 18 to 20 months. The Mercs require annual visits whatever the mileage, which definitely works out more expensive. The problem round here is that the decent specialists aren’t really a whole heap cheaper, and the cheaper ‘specialists’ aren’t as hot on the newer models. They are also less conveniently located; I expect that’s less of an issue round your way though?
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - Runfer D'Hills
Next railway arch along from him probs... ;-)
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - R.P.
I've refused to pay the BMW game any more. My old 3 series didn't have a service pack, but it was getting ridiculous.

Volvo has a 4 year service pack at £550, which is a bargain at any price. Dealer seems ok. It's been due a recall since April. Got it booked in for the job tomorrow. Dealer is an impossible 45 miles away. They're collecting my car at 0700 tomorrow and will drop it off when it's ready. Going the extra mile.
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - carmalade
I see that job at around £400 at a good Indy using o/e or quality parts . I would be wary about plugging in any clone software into the Obd port . You could cause all sorts of expensive issues on a car this new .
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - smokie
As I still have three years (or is it two?) left on the battery pack and associated electricals which is dependent on having been carried out by a specialist Ampera Vauxhall dealer, I have it booked in at Wantage (40 miles away) next week. I have a service plan which costs me £15.73 a month for the third, fourth and fifth year service (this year is year 5). That's not bad but then there isn't an awful lot to service really.

However the forum suggests this year it ought to have a battery coolant change which is probably another £200 ( - it is a time consuming job using specialist equipment) - I can;t imagine this was in the cost they've quoted me.

There is a growing chain of garages (HEVRA) which are equipped and trained for EVs which should bring in even more competitive pricing for servicing and repairs.

It is also due an MOT and I'm pretty sure that one of last year's new tyres will need changing due to a smallish bulge in the sidewall but their tyres are over twice what normal tyre places charge!! Anyway the MOT is deferred so it'll probably just go to Halfords in Oct.
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - VxFan
>> It is also due an MOT and I'm pretty sure that one of last year's
>> new tyres will need changing due to a smallish bulge in the sidewall but their
>> tyres are over twice what normal tyre places charge!! Anyway the MOT is deferred so
>> it'll probably just go to Halfords in Oct.

Bellingers, IIRC?

Their tyre prices were comparable with other places when they gave me a quote last year.

Are you not a member of Vauxhall's Masterfit Service Club?

www.vauxhall.co.uk/tools/service-club.html

half price MOTs, and 25% off parts and labour for vehicles over 3 yrs old.

Last edited by: VxFan on Mon 15 Jun 20 at 19:05
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - smokie
Yes, Bellingers.

Last year I was having a dispute over cracked tyres and Vx agreed to pay ha;f the cost of replacement of two tyres. Vx cost was £141 each (discounted to £70 for the dispute) whereas they were only about £90 in the local tyre place.

Yes I am a Vx service club but I thought I'd read that they'd stopped it, or it was less useful. I'll bear it in mind though... Bellingers are actually very good too.
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - VxFan
>> Yes I am a Vx service club but I thought I'd read that they'd stopped
>> it, or it was less useful.

I've just seen you also have a service plan. I think that can make a difference to Service club discounts. I know when they have certain service promotions on, you can either have the promotion deal, or the service club deal, but not both. Generally though, the price of one deal pretty much matches the other.

>> Bellingers are actually very good too.

Yeah, they've looked after me mostly in all the years I've been using them (which started in approx. 1986). Yes, I've had one or two issues with them, but they do listen to what you say, and if you've got a valid point to make about a price query, then they do look into it.
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - God
>>Dealer is an impossible 45 miles away.

My Subaru dealer is 60 miles away. No big deal + I enjoy the drive.
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - R.P.
I would as well, but there's a five mile limit here (or "locally") so I can't go. I've worked out a lot of routes for the bike though. I love Pi !
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - God
>>I would as well, but there's a five mile limit here (or "locally") so I can't go.

COVID-1984

:(
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - tyrednemotional
>> . Going the extra mile.
>>
>>
..at least an extra 92 miles on the clock when you get it back, then.

;-)
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - Zero
Well they best not try and charge me more than 4 hours labour, went in at 9, its now ready at 13:00
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - carmalade
This is no more than 2 hours work . Basic service items .
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - Lygonos
Sparkplugs at 37k?

Our FRV has Iridium plugs that are changed every 100k.

Did them myself and gap was still in spec at 106k miles.
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - Zero
Yes I was suprised at that,, I thought 60k was the minimum these days.
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - bathtub tom
My Yaris got its last main dealer service at four years old. I've just done it myself and found the cabin filter installed upside down (what's so hard to understand about UP and an arrow printed on it). I was charged sixteen quid plus VAT for that privilege, a replacement was seven quid delivered.
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - zippy
I purchased a £699 3 year service plan for the Tucson to include 3 major services to 60k miles.. The last service cost £680 so it was a good deal. The dealer wanted a further £7-800 for front disks and pads. It went back to the lease co with the original ones in place and still legal.
Last edited by: zippy on Mon 15 Jun 20 at 14:47
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - Zero
Ok here we go

6 spark plugs - BMW price £109 Motor Factor 6 x Bosch plugs £59
Oil Filter set - BMW. £21.72 Factor. £11.35
cabin filter BMW £124 Factor £58
Air Filter BMW £38. Factor £17.50
6 litres castrol edge 0w30 BMW £105. Factor £76


 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - RichardW

>> cabin filter BMW £124 Factor £58

!! is that gold plated or something....????
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - PeterS
>> Well they best not try and charge me more than 4 hours labour, went in
>> at 9, its now ready at 13:00
>>

Though it does depend how many people they had working on the car at the same time...a 5 series is big enough to accommodate social distancing ;)
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - Zero
at 5 metres with 2 metre social distancing you could stand two blokes and a dwarf underneath
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - BiggerBadderDave
"and a dwarf underneath"

I always carry them two at a time, one under each arm.
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - zippy
>> "and a dwarf underneath"
>>
>> I always carry them two at a time, one under each arm.
>>

You’re doing it wrong...

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Last edited by: zippy on Mon 15 Jun 20 at 20:22
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - legacylad
The Macan GTS had its first service @ 2years or 20k miles £550
Next service is 4years or 40k miles £1250. Probably cheaper through an indie but can’t say I’ve looked for one yet.
It’s out of warranty in October 2020 and I think an extended warranty is circa £850, but I don’t think I’ll bother given my very low annual mileage. I knew what the service costs would be when I ordered it, and my ‘life plan’ is to spend all my dosh before I croak...being a single bloke it’s all being left to charity anyway. it is what it is.
At least the insurance is cheap...£224 this year through IAM RoadSmart
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - Zero

>> At least the insurance is cheap...£224 this year through IAM RoadSmart

They might charge you more if it ever leaves your driveway.
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - Bobby
This thread does re-open the debate on dealer history v indie v resale value.

I am sure my indie has the gadgets needed to update the BMW idrive. But say you keep the car for 5 years and the difference in pricing per service is £300 , will the car be worth £1500 less at end?

Also argue in the peace of mind for recalls, warranty claims if through a BMW dealer?
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - Bromptonaut
Still getting ours serviced in the Franchise network. There's a good French car indy in town who was convenient when I worked in London and could drop cars off then ride to the station. But in reality he's not much cheaper than the franchised outfit. Also there were two or three issues with the previous Berlingo and the Xantia where what were common and documented faults of known cause/remedy that an expert should have been onto like a shot took effort on my part to diagnose/resolve.

The Berlingo one where, at 100 to 150k miles, starting gets rough because of valve/seat wear, needed me to almost beg for the valve clearances to be checked.

Skoda in Northampton were excellent as part of a small family owned/run group. Now part of one of big national groups and the jury is still out.....
Last edited by: Bromptonaut on Tue 16 Jun 20 at 13:38
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - DP
>> There are a few BMW specialist Indies round here, its out of warranty in Nov,
>> so it will be off to them

After they wanted £320 for the oil service on the M140i, it makes me glad I got shot of it before they got the chance to bend me over for the major one.

Re indies, TWG in Camberley are brilliant. As well as doing the same service with the same genuine parts and approved fluids for hundreds less than the dealers, I have lost count of the number of instances I've heard of, where they've repaired faults that a BMW dealer has quoted telephone figures for, for a couple of hundred quid. They also have dealer level diagnostic tools, including the ability to update the service history through the iDrive.

A colleague had an M3 that was developing a droning noise from the rear underside.

Supplying BMW dealer (who had serviced it from new): I'm afraid your differential is worn sir. It's not repairable or rebuildable (an outright lie), and a replacement unit will be £3,500 + VAT

TWG: Nothing wrong with the diff. There is a big problem with your prop bearing though. £120 fitted. Problem solved.

Dealer lost the servicing business too, after that.

 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - Zero
yes TWG is top of my list.
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - Zero

>> After they wanted £320 for the oil service on the M140i, it makes me glad
>> I got shot of it before they got the chance to bend me over for
>> the major one.

go on, tell me you are not missing that magnificent lump of metal called the B58 engine.
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - DP
>> go on, tell me you are not missing that magnificent lump of metal called the
>> B58 engine.

Every day. Unfortunately, we needed to lose a car due to the OH getting a company car, and mine was the only one that made financial sense to lose.

I haven't ruled out getting another one later in the year though :)
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - Zero
And to follow up, I notice a patch of oil on my nice new £15k driveway. Stuff the old phone camera under the car to find a sheen of oil over the under tray and a big fat drip from the leaking sump plug.

While trying to get through to the service department, (13 minute wait) I am put on hold with a nice hold message repeated every minute "Let fully trained BMW specialists take care of your pride and joy"


I was apoplectic with rage by the time a human responded,- they are sending someone round this afternoon.
Last edited by: Zero on Wed 1 Jul 20 at 15:27
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - legacylad
Someone will be along shortly to advise you should have bought an E class estate.
But that’s a bummer. I mean beemer.
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - God
>>Someone will be along shortly to advise you should have bought a E class estate Subaru Outback.

:)
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - Netsur
There are no E-class estates on this forum (or any other I know of) that leak oil....
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - Zero
The beemer does not leak oil, IF you do up its orifices correctly.
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - Runfer D'Hills
>> There are no E-class estates on this forum (or any other I know of) that leak oil....


:-)))
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - tyrednemotional
>> >> There are no E-class estates on this forum (or any other I know of)
>> that leak oil....
>>
>>
>> :-)))
>>

...one or two been known to leak air from the rear suspension, though.

(and that is rather easier to clean up off the drive ;-) )
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - Bill Payer
>> There are no E-class estates on this forum (or any other I know of) that
>> leak oil....
>>
I have a C Class estate that did it from new as the oil filter wasn't fitted correctly.
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - Zero
The Beemer is fine, the monkeys they employ to fettle it is another matter.

There are no words to describe how utterly utterly execrable they are, I am in no doubt that I will have to phone them again to get something sorted.
Last edited by: VxFan on Thu 2 Jul 20 at 02:48
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - Falkirk Bairn
A Daughter in law had a newish Mini (12 months old) & a brand new house. Same story - oil on the bricks after service. Filter not tight enough.

The garage sent someone round to scrub/hose it clean - unsuccessful.

Success after my son got a chap round - no exact match as they did no know the supplier - even if they knew the brick the colour would vary. The chap lifted an area of 1 sq metre and then mixed the new bricks with old and there was no visible patch.

Garage grudgingly paid up eventually, but failed to apologise.
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - martin aston
I made an online booking for my Golf's second year service at the dealer I bought it from last autumn. They had serviced it a few weeks before I bought it. Second year it's due a "Major" service.

I rang them to check the price as their acknowledgment had just said POA. They said it would be £160. I queried this as too low so probably not the right service. She checked and said that for web bookings they just guess and book and quote for an oil service! The actual price for the right service is £256.

I checked after the call and VW officlai price is an extraordinary £356 so they are probably still wrong. Who knows what the price on the day will be.

Whatever the price it's a poor deal given the limited work involved and once it's three years old it'll be back to my indie.


 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - DP
>> The Beemer is fine, the bucking monkeys they employ to fettle it is another matter.
>>
>> There are no words to describe how utterly utterly execrable they are, I am in
>> no doubt that I will have to phone them again to get something sorted.
>>

That'll be because you beat them down on price. The £116 reduction meant they didn't have enough time to get the torque wrench out when refitting the sump plug...

Joking aside, that is absolutely shocking though. Talk about failing on absolute basics. Sadly, most of the tales of bodgery and shoddy workmanship seem to involve main dealers.

Some of the stuff I've encountered over the years beggars belief. Managing to damage an engine block beyond repair in the course of changing an auxiliary belt on a Peugeot 306 was my favourite. Especially as instead of fessing up, they decided to bodge and hide it, then deny all knowledge when the car broke down 2 miles up the road.
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - Zero

>> That'll be because you beat them down on price. The £116 reduction meant they didn't
>> have enough time to get the torque wrench out when refitting the sump plug...

Clearly its a case of "that'll teach him to complain"

You just know, bet your house, that if the sump plug came out and destroyed the engine they would deny all knowledge or liability.

They are sending a tech round at 08:30 in the morning, to check the sump plug, take it back and clean the undertray and check the oil level.
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - Duncan

>> They are sending a tech round at 08:30 in the morning, to check the sump
>> plug, take it back and clean the undertray and check the oil level.
>>

Yes, but what about that new £15K drive?

Was it one of those new style resin bound surfaces?
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - Zero

>> Yes, but what about that new £15K drive?

Yes they will clean

>> Was it one of those new style resin bound surfaces?

No - brick,
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - VxFan
>> They are sending a tech round at 08:30 in the morning, to check the sump plug,

Let's hope he uses the right size mole grips this time.
Last edited by: VxFan on Thu 2 Jul 20 at 02:50
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - tyrednemotional
...has Z got moles digging up his drive as well.....?

...it never rains...

;-)
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - Zero
Its raining here.

Came this morning at 08:00 to pick it up on a transporter, its just been returned.

Going to get the selfie stick and camera out for another look under to see when the rain stops.


As an aside, it would be a complete pig to do an oil change yourself without a lift. There is a steel under tray, with two fist size access holes, on first investigation yesterday, despite two medium trolley jacks I couldn't get the front up high enough to crook an arm up into the hole.

This was the view yesterday


www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EetJrcZXmk
Last edited by: Zero on Thu 2 Jul 20 at 10:19
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - VxFan
>> As an aside, it would be a complete pig to do an oil change yourself without a lift.

I'm surprised the garage didn't suck the oil out using something like a Pela device, rather than undoing the sump plug?

Far less hassle and mess I would have thought.
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - Zero
>> >> As an aside, it would be a complete pig to do an oil change
>> yourself without a lift.
>>
>> I'm surprised the garage didn't suck the oil out using something like a Pela device,
>> rather than undoing the sump plug?
>>
>> Far less hassle and mess I would have thought.

There is no dipstick hole for the Pela. BMW TIS says use the sump plug.
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - Duncan
>> The Beemer is fine, the bucking monkeys they employ to fettle it is another matter.
>>
>> There are no words to describe how utterly utterly execrable they are, I am in
>> no doubt that I will have to phone them again to get something sorted.
>>

I did try to warn you.

I said if you buy an E class Mercedes-Benz, you won't have these exciting conversations with service departments in your life.
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - commerdriver
You were lucky Z, many years ago, I had my Renault 16 company car serviced at the local Renault dealer in Newcastle, brought it back to the office car park, and left at the end of the day to go to my buddy's wedding in Glasgow.
Following day, picked up kilt outfit and went to wedding, came out about 11 pm, still in full highland dress to find a pool of oil under the car, same cause as yours.
Solution at age 24, it's a company car, the oil light isn't on, drive the 4 miles or so back to parents flat for the night, called aa out in the morning.
Those were the days.
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - bathtub tom
I've successfully cleaned oil off a driveway with neat washing up liquid, as long as it's a fresh stain. Just blot up what oil you can and pour a liberal quantity of washing up liquid onto the stain and rub it in with your fingers. Leave overnight (or longer) and let the next rain shower rinse it away.
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - Zero
>> You were lucky Z, many years ago, I had my Renault 16 company car serviced
>> at the local Renault dealer in Newcastle,

That would be about 87-90 then, everyone was going for the R16 on the car list in that period.
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - commerdriver
Close, 1979 actually , great car, comfortable seats and ride, great in snow, rusted like any French car of the era, already showing by the end of my 33 month lease.
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - PeterS
I reckon Z meant ‘77 to ‘80... time flies... The R18 was, I think, the ‘80s equivalent?
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - commerdriver
>> I reckon Z meant ‘77 to ‘80... time flies... The R18 was, I think, the
>> ‘80s equivalent?
>>
Probably did, no offence intended, I reckon Z and I probably started around the same time, September 1977 in my case, things were very different then.
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - Zero

>> Probably did, no offence intended, I reckon Z and I probably started around the same
>> time, September 1977 in my case, things were very different then.

73 in my case.
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - Bromptonaut
My Dad's firm had 16's in the late seventies for reps etc. As a director he had a bit of choice and considered a R30 but in the end went for another Ford Granada. Pity, the 30 in V6 form went like stink.

He would occasionally come home in a 16 that was the spare 'hack'. IIRC the handbrakes on 16's were a bit weird and at least once it rolled back over the road and into a neighbour's drive.
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - R.P.
The cars I drove on an L plate. Moggie 1000, Volvo 66, Renault 16 with column change and a Morris Marina...
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - commerdriver
The handbrake on the r16 was an umbrella type, coming from under the dash, along with the column change, a hangover from the sixties allowing for a bench seat, although the renault had separate seats by the 70s
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - R.P.
Exactly as I remember the 78 one I drove. Lovely comfy seats as well..
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - hawkeye
Never mind these R 16 company cars, I bought myself a '74 R16 TX in 1976 rather than use the company VW Polo. Rust ate the Renault alive in 4 years. Got married in '78; looked forward to a comfy blast to S France for the honeymoon but the new Mrs H said no. The column change and brolly handbrake spooked her. Off we went in her lovely Triumph Toledo complete with dodgy starter motor and useless rear shocks. Ugh!
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - The Melting Snowman
We ran a 1979 R18 for about seven years, quite fast, very comfy and totally reliable. But the rust, awful. By its eighth birthday is was scrap, needing new sills and extensive welding in other places.
I think Renault bodywork in the 70s was as bad as Fiat's and Lancia's but they seemed to escape the bad reputation. Bodywork is one area where the manufacturers have really made huge improvements.
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - Clk Sec
>> We ran a 1979 R18 for about seven years, quite fast, very comfy and totally reliable. But the rust, awful. By its eighth birthday is was scrap, <<

Same problem with my 1972 Chrysler 180. New sills and much other welding in '78, and scrapped in '80. Apart from the rust it was a nice enough car, and very comfortable.

 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - No FM2R
I had a Chrysler 180 (though the 2 litre version), I loved it. I think mine was a P reg and when we parted ways I think it was about 1979 / 1980. I don't remember rust problems but it used to get through a lot of wheel bearings for some reason.
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - legacylad
I’ve owned 2 Renaults. So far. In my early 20s a 5TS, immediately followed by a 5 Gordini. The former in a metallic gold, bendy metal which you didn’t lean against. Bought from Staveley Motors opposite Norman Arch on Manningham Lane Bradford. In those days I spent all my money on a mortgage, cars, girls and more cars.changed them every 6 months.
Neither broke down on me....my Uncle bought a R20 from the same garage which was an incredibly comfortable ride. ( we had a family contact there). Velour upholstery if my memory serves me right.
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - The Melting Snowman
Our neighbour had a 20TS new in 1978, with a 2 litre engine, it was quite a flyer. It was he that put us onto Renaults, up until then we mainly had BL. The 20 was extremely comfortable. It was poorly protected against rust, at three years old there was corrosion on the rear wheel arches but it didn't have a long life anyway as he wrote it off.
I seem to recall he tried a 25 when they came out but didn't like it as much as the 20.
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - Bobby
If I am thinking of the right car, the R18 was the first car I knew of with headlamp wash wipe. My aunt had one, a top of the range was it GTL or something like that, and I remember sitting in her driveway for hours at a time pretending I was driving and flicking the headlamp washers!
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - The Melting Snowman
Some models did although ours didn't. Probably more of a showroom gimmick than any real use. It was quite an advanced car, despite having a lot of R12 DNA in it. Far better than some of the rubbish competitors were producing, such as the monstrous Marina and Ital. I would quite like another Renault now their rust resistance is excellent but there's not much in the range that appeals.
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - zippy
>>. I would quite like another Renault now their rust resistance is excellent
>> but there's not much in the range that appeals.
>>

www.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/styles/gallery_slide/public/2-renault-megane-rs-rear-1.jpg?itok=TCnkQOMa

This ones nice!?
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - legacylad
But in the market for a hot hatch....Golf Gti every time ? Or a Focus ST if you weren’t bothered about trim quality.
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - zippy
>> But in the market for a hot hatch....Golf Gti every time ? Or a Focus
>> ST if you weren’t bothered about trim quality.
>>

Most of the reviews that I have seen prefer the Renault over other hot hatches.
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - No FM2R
I had a Renault Fuego for a while. It wasn't very good but it was very pretty. I liked it a lot.
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - henry k
>> I had a Renault Fuego for a while. It wasn't very good but it was very pretty. I liked it a lot.
>>
The last one i saw was a few hundre yards from home and the engine was well on fire.
The fire brigade were in attendance and told me " we just let it burn rather than try end extinguish it. IIRC it was because it had magnesium alloy head .
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - No FM2R
>> The last one i saw was a few hundre yards from home and the engine
>> was well on fire.

Sadly that doesn't surprise me. It wasn't very good in any way, but the electrics were particularly awful.
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - The Melting Snowman
I don't remember the being that bad, I drove a few in the early 1980s. The 2 Litre was fast. They had a good specification and looked fantastic for the time. They were based on the R18 mechanically, our 18 gave no problems apart from rust. I think there was even a Turbo version although I never drove that.
 My last Ever Service at a BMW dealer. - No FM2R
>>I think there was even a Turbo version although I never drove that.

There was, and neither did I.

>>The 2 Litre was fast.

Not really. Even the Turbo was a 10 second 0 - 60. (I just looked it up) and the standard Fuego 0 - 60 was 17 seconds.

www.1001moteurs.com/performance/view-Renault-Fuego-GTX-1450.html if you wish to have a look.
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