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Fitting 10 people in that caravan when stationary would be wrong! Obviously having anyone in a caravan when it's being towed is crazy.
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Shocking really especially when you see these things bouncing down a road due to crap maintenance.
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The last holiday with my dad when I was a child was in a caravan. That was more than twice the size of the one being towed here... towed by a Triumph Dolomite but I digress.
My brother and I wanted to travel in the caravan... told no it was not allowed and not safe. And this in the less safety conscious 70s! Travelling in the boot of a car was done back then when convenient.
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Nawt really just a Pythonesque quote. Seems a fair punishment....
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I remember many holidays to Portmadog where at least ten of us would be crammed in the back of a Toyota Space Cruiser.
It is different times now but you will always get the idiots such as this. I am glad he got banned but will the driver take any notice?
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I have to admit to carrying a passenger in a trailer many years ago, and on the motorway.
Got called out by a neighbour to say her car had broken down, somewhere in Humphland.
Her husband, Jack, sadly no longer with us, was totally paralysed from the neck down and needed special lifting gear.
They had a sort of hydraulic crane on the roof of their Morris Oxford. There was no chance of getting him in my vehicle.
Got stopped on the M6 by the Cheshire road patrol who were very understanding and sent me on my way, telling me to drive carefully.......sensible policing.
The journey was uneventful.
The irony of jack's case was that he was a very eminent orthopaedic specialist. he, together with a colleague, invented the metal hip-joint which so many are fitted with now.
He liked a sherry, wrote medical papers and answered the door and phone using his Possum machine.
Lovely Irish guy with a big red beard....sorry, bit of drift.
Ted
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I'd like to know what work he does in the airline industry whereby he can come to the conclusion this is not putting his family in danger.
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He is probably a retired Comet fuslage designer :) - ok a bit harsh.
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>> He is probably a retired Comet fuslage designer :) - ok a bit harsh.
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Is that Comet as in Nimrod?
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he needs to have retired a long time ago then.
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Well yep, but the Nimrods were made from the modified at safe Comet fuslages weren't there. I think all the MK1 comets were scrapped by 1954.
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I think I know what Ratts means. :-)
Stand by for a pedant alarm!
Last edited by: Old Navy on Mon 25 Oct 10 at 20:54
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It was just a joke, because the MK1 Comets had a habit of well breaking up in mid air. It wasn't supposed to be a discussion about the Comet. Sorry :).
And yes I am well aware of the the time scale is out but the that is the point of jokes they are not real.
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Nothing to do with Comet's or time scales, Ratts.
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I assume it was my poor grammar then which I realised after reading the post again.
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...Stand by for a pedant alarm!...
I'm saying nowt - for a change.
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>> ...Stand by for a pedant alarm!...
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>> I'm saying nowt - for a change.
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Just have a glass of wine, iffy, its just not worth the aggro. :-)
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I only ever flew on one Comet, Dan Air from Newcastle to Rome in early 1980. I was 11 at the time and it felt a tight fit. I think they had a big shoe horn to get the adults in.
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That was probably a series 4 I think, they were safe - well as safe as any aircraft was back then.
I have actually only even flown in a 737 -800 and a couple of Airbus 319s and that was bad enough for me. I am more of a train and ship man.
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I've memories of flying back from somewhere in Spain on a BAC-111. I was sitting towards the rear and had the annoying slapping sound of what appeared to be a fillet of rubber between the engine and fuselage flapping around for the entire flight.
I had a glimpse into the cockpit on boarding. The window on the pilot's side had a definite yellow tinge, whilst the other side had a milky area, like an old Moggie Minor windscreen. This was some time after the BA incident when a pilot was partially sucked out of a broken screen.
We were diverted from Gatwick to Stansted because of some alert on the flight deck. We landed with a convoy of emergency vehicles chasing us down the runway.
I think Dan-Air went out of business shortly after.
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Dan Dare flew mostly comet 4c's. It was actually a nice plane to fly in as a passenger. Quiet, nice seat pitch, smooth flyer.
My fav as a passenger was the Viscount turbo prop. Nice big windows.
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Another vote for Dan Air and their Comets... to Ibiza back in the early 70s before if went clubbing.... and a Vanguard to Gibralter a few years earlier (BEA I think)!
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>> My fav as a passenger was the Viscount turbo prop. Nice big windows.
The last pax certificated example G-APEY did farewell pleaseure flights from most UK airports. I missed the dates for Leeds, where I had fond memeories of watching viscounts as a lad. Managed a flight from Castledon though. Epic low pass over Leicester aero club.
The Conroy CL44 Guppy was on the ground at EMA when we landed, by then I think having just surrendered it's Irish registration for somewher in the former USSR. For a small donation to the crew we were allowed a look inside. It's derivation from the Brittania, particulalry the 'ramshorn' control yoles was very evident.
Only retired and broken up in last few years IIRC?
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>> I'd like to know what work he does in the airline industry whereby he can
>> come to the conclusion this is not putting his family in danger.
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Perhaps he drives one of those tractors they push and pull the planes about with. He might then reason that pulling 10 people around in a caravan is much the same as a few hundred in an aeroplane.
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How do TV and film companies get away with filming characters in a car whilst on a trailer?
I followed such a set-up once, it also had several people (lighting, cameraman) hanging out the back of the people carrier towing the trailer.
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I think you can travel in a car which is being carried on a trailer. Don't some recovery companies do that, or use dollies?
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one little boy looked out of the window and his dad said
one day son all this will be yours
and the little boy said
what dad the curtains?
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I don't think so ,Ciff. Thats the reason I got the pull.
I was thinking about bendi-buses, though...they're basically a big car pulling a trailer.
Or are they ?....because the engine is in the ' trailer ' is it deemed to be pushing the bus and is not a real trailer ?
They may have changed the law or the bus makersmay get round it somehow.
Ted
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I recall reading something about the law being changed to allow 'bendy buses'.
I was fascinated by the beasts when I first saw them in Germany several years before they were adopted over here.
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I tried to bend a bus, the judge decided it wasn't legal.
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Articulated buses were illegal in the UK till 1980, after which the law was changed.
Wikipedia has plenty to interest the anoraks amongst us.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Articulated_bus
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>> Articulated buses were illegal in the UK till 1980, after which the law was changed.
They should still be illegal, anyway in London. Might be all right in the gutsed out centre of Birmingham, or in Milton Keynes. Somewhere with wide roads and no proper culture.
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>> Might be all right in the gutsed
>> out centre of Birmingham, or in Milton Keynes. Somewhere with wide roads and no proper
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I always wonder why we have so much of an issue with them... I've travelled widely in northern europe and they are all over the place, including places that have roads as narrow and bendy as any over here where they are used... The locals seem to have no problems with them... Is it just a case of British resistance to change?
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No, we just want out routemasters back.
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>> No, we just want out routemasters back.
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Do you have some obscure Cliff Richard fantasies, Zero?
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Stick the routemasters, I want these back...
www.flickr.com/photos/old_motors/3500281545/
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>> Stick the routemasters, I want these back...
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>> www.flickr.com/photos/old_motors/3500281545/
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Wa-hey! An old bus from my neck of the woods!
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I was trying to find a picture of the Preston Corporation ones, but had to live with the Southport version which looked pretty much the same!
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Used to catch a bendy bus home from school in 1975. There was always a rush to get a seat in the turntable section.
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...There was always a rush to get a seat in the turntable section...
My first experience of this was the Docklands Light Railway in London in the late 1980s.
There were some quite sharp bends through Canary Wharf and the 'turntable section' of the train was an attraction in itself.
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>> I don't think so ,Ciff. Thats the reason I got the pull.>>
You are probably right. But you are allowed to steer a towed car (obviously!) and isn't that counted as a trailer? Are you then a driver or a passenger? Can a trailer legally have a "driver" as distinct from a passenger? Can a car with passengers in it be legally towed?
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I think the crucial difference here is what the towed item was designed for. A bendy bus, a car (even if on a trailer), even an airliner attached to a tow tractor - all were designed to contain passengers when in motion, and have appropriate seats, padding and restraints. The point of a caravan is ... erm ... just a moment ... no, sorry, it's gone - but it certainly isn't a good place to be in even a low-speed accident.
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Harsh but fair ! - MD
