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£132.9 today at my local BP that's over £6 per gallon :-O Time to get the push bike out again I think
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Wow that is over 100 times the price it is at my local Esso!
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Sorry, I meant £1.329 per litre LOL
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Phew
highest near here is £1.259 ppl. Cheapest is £1.239
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Ranges from1.26 to 1.23 (Shell) today - Petrol at 119p in the same Shell garage, cheaper than Tesco.
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Around the 125p mark round here... 6p over petrol... still worth the 25% saving in fuel over petrol though...
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Same round here, though it's risen steadily over the last few weeks. I daren't look at the price of heating oil, though I'm ok until next summer.
John
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>>I daren't look
>> at the price of heating oil, though I'm ok until next summer.
>> John
Just had a delivery of heating oil. 61.95p plus VAT a litre.
Ow.
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Ow! I paid just under 42p on 1st October.
John
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>> Ow! I paid just under 42p on 1st October.
That price is still 10p a litre cheaper than Boilerjuice, so saved £70 over their prices.
But this will hijack the thread, which isn't good etiquette, so I'll belt up now.
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Don't worry, it is still a bargain compared to what we will be paying in 3 - 5 years time !
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£1.219 per litre at Sainsbury, Sunderland.
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>> £1.219 per litre at Sainsbury, Sunderland.
Some regional variation in Sainsbury prices then; £1.259 on Sunday when I filled up the 'lingo.
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1.18€ per litre on the Costa del Sol.
Around about £0.85 per litre in Gib.
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Cheapest I saw recently not too far away from me is diesel at 122.9p per litre.
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I filled up a 7.5t lorry on a bunker card today - 125 litres cost £163. I believe the bunker price is a little lower, but that's still scary expensive.
I've had to start allowing a little more when budgeting for petrol in the Escort, £6 instead of £5 to get to work and back, £35 instead of £30 to visit Dad in Herts.
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from weybridge to Woolwich - tottenham - weybridge
cheapest 1.229 near Scilly Isles roundabout and Asda in Woolwich
1.279 on South circular near Catford, but 1.309 on A3 by Neuro hospital wamdsworth
when ones has to fill up with 70+lts most weeks, at least once - I try and do it for less than 100
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28 sec heating oil ordered last week at........................71.85 ppl
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It varies within region as well, Sainsburys at Castle Bromwich is always more expensive than Sainsburys at Tamworth.
Probably due to there being an Asda just across the road from the one in Tamworth.
122.9p last night in Tamworth, over £60 to fill the Octavia, customer before me had put in over £90!
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Yes, all the supermarkets price according to the local market rather than nationally. I don't know that I quite understand how local price differences work but I'm grateful that we in the North east have some of the lowest fuel prices in the UK.
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I paid £1.189p for my petrol today, my dad went to another petrol station down the road it was £1.21p at least the so called cartel I mentioned on anotehr thread seems to have ended!
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Do car pumps still cut out at £100 or 100 litres? I could see £100 fill-ups becoming a common occurence, certainly with larger cars.
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It's ridiculous and @diddy I'm hoping electric car tech in terms of range and charging will have advanced in 10 years time: fuel prices sre unsustainable and sre hurting even with an economical 50mpg plus Diesel.
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mattbod, I couldn't agree more.
But then again, if we were all priced off the road then who would be buying car fuel ?
So at what price point do we all eventually throw our toys out of the pram and have another fuel strike ?
I can't help but think that the loosely termed 'public transport' keep on increasing their prices so that eventually when it costs £100 to fill a tank up, catching a bus is cheap.
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HMG 'needs' your money....it's either fuel duty or income tax. Personally I pay far too much of both!!
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I tried to cancel my subscription but it turns out it's one of those dodgy deals that you can't get out of. :-(
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I have a friend which works in Liverpool she is now paying £20 a day in fuel just to get there and back. She earns £20k that is a big chunk of her salery. £400 a month on fuel.
This is what is going to cause the next recession a major fuel crisis and people simply won't be able to afford to get to work.
One solution which won't be popular might be to tax employers for employing people who live say 10 miles from the location or say 25 miles if it is rural. The tax would have to depend on the local population size. This tax would then mean local people have more chance of getting the job.
My friend always struggles to get jobs in the Manchester area because it is full of highly qualified graduates but in the Merseyside area she finds it a lot easier but then has to travel more than 50 miles just to get to work.
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One solution which won't be popular might be to tax employers for employing people who live say 10 miles from the location or say 25 miles if it is rural. The tax would have to depend on the local population size. This tax would then mean local people have more chance of getting the job.
Typical city dweller's view of the world Rattle :-)
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Thing is, everyone commutes today whether its public transport or private vehicle.
No local jobs or as previous posters have commented, skill set above the local areas populace.
Company location due to a tax reduction me thinks !
Many moons ago, you would have finished school, got an apprenticeship locally got the job then worked at the same company all of your life paying into a pension.
These days no one can get an apprenticeship or a job locally and then loose your pension after the company you were loyal to sinks like the Titanic taking your funds with them.
Great world today !
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But I think we will slowly start going back to the old world. The new media centre development is a great example of this, the idea si that corrie, the BBC and a load of technical media services will all be on the same campus, including the university of Salford art school. It will reduce so much travel as people won't need to drive or get a bus to all the different companies but simply walk a few yards or jump in the lift.
I really do think the biggest answer to our transport poverty problem is to travel less but society needs to change before that can happen. If we as a society can do that then we will still have freedom to drive for the sake of it etc.
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I couldn't agree more.
Society does need to change.
What I do envisage however is that these new campuses will be built out of town somewhere in the middle of nowhere and we will all have to drive there.
And all because of council's tax breaks.
In the town where I live there is a huge Glaxo site.
Ironic as it is very few people from the town work there as the skill set needed mostly exists towards London or Cambridge.
As a result major congestion when the Glaxo employees start and finish.
Yet a nice 30 tax break by the local council to get the company here.
Forward thinking, not really.
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That is why it would depend on the location. Or maybe they could introduce job swap schemes.
In my friends case she can't move to Liverpool due to religious reasons her parents are muslim and she is not allowed to move out until she gets married.
Fuel is now very expensive so less travel seems to be the obvious answer.
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To be honest, I don't see much pain in terms of fuel prices around my area. Parents still running their kids half a mile and back to the bus stop, warming up in the drive for half an hour, etc etc. If it was hurting, presumably that kind of thing would be the first to go.
I guess we've got used to an era of cheap fuel and the freedom and mobility that has brought.
Depreciation is still the biggest cost of ownership for most people and we're happy enough in general to lash out hundreds a month on HP and PCP deals ( although personally I'm not). When i see a definite trend to driving small econo boxes and a more sensible approach to car use, then I'll make the conclusion that higher prices are having an effect.
Cheers
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I do about 100 miles a week and spend £12-£13 in fuel. Fuel costs for me a tiny compared to the rest of the car running costs so for me it is not a problem even if fuel costs were double.
I know people who high fuel costs are causing major poverty though. and my dads stopping the warm up thing now. He mentioned to me yesterday that the Fiesta is doing 50 miles to a tenner and I was all for checking the obvious like the air filter etc until he told me has been getting into the car for 30 minutes each lunch break and running the engine to keep warm - that is where the fuel is going!.
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I have been quite surprised by the number of our large(ish) clients whom are moving their operations to other countries. One of them has been Hoover who moved the manufacturing of their washing machines and tumble dryers to Turkey. I was told that although their factory in the UK was very efficient they could not manufacture the machines cheap enough to compete with competitors. The print costs for the manuals were being reduced to 40% of the prices they were paying in the UK and the UK printer was making next to nothing on the print.
Another company is moving one of their factories to Hungary because they will save millions of pounds on the salary bills.
Travelling to work will be the least of our problems over the next few years finding a job that pays a decent living wage. Most of my colleagues are now working from home as our company has downsized the office overhead to try and remain competitive. I also learned this week that a position commanding a going rate of £25K PA in our company is being done in China for £3600 PA.
I also heard on the radio this morning that China will be for the first time Audi's largest market next year.
My advice would be to start learning Mandarin.
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But China also has most of the worlds population so even if it is still a fairly poor country it dosn't mean that much that Audi should sell a lot of cars there.
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My point is that the growing markets are not here in the UK or Europe so the jobs will be disappearing and investment by the large corporates transferred to other/cheaper and possibly more tax friendly parts of the world which will result in increased unemployment throughout the UK.
We need a proper manufacturing base in this country with an excellent apprenticeship scheme to ensure longevity of real jobs.
I genuinely feel for the 18 - 25 year olds who have nothing much to look forward to not even hope for the future.
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That is worrying if that really is the trend.
But will China's prices go up as they get more affluent and then the cost of making / providing a service starts to benefit us again ?
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As longs as there is beer, punk music and skanking there is always a future :).
I do believe the low wages thing in China won't be substained in the long term and the UK as it always has done will find new industries to lead the world.
Me personaly am sat here watching the snow fall as I drink my Pepsi with sod all work to do but it dosn't matter because the booze will take all that way on Saturday.
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Hey Rattle, I guess we shouldn't worry about things we have no control over but it is frustrating all the same
It is absolutely dead for us too with no projects at all today :( Snow for us Saturday so a few more days of boredom to endure
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Yes, Chinese prices will rise over time but it will take quite a while to reach our levels. I have seen call centre companies leaving India in favour of Pakistan and Indonesia as their prices started rising too much.
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Not too sure how long my line of work will hold out (software testing), but I do know that there is a bit of a shortage at the moment as younger generations coming into work do not or will not learn testing (of any kind).
Not saying it is a bad thing as it benefits me.
The point I am making is that to succeed in this country people have to be specialised in order to have a relatively safe job.
Since there are no apprenticeships any more, how does the next generation even get a chance ?
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I've always quite fancied software testing but am I right in thinking you need a software engineering background?
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Sort of RattleandSmoke, Ability to not believe what software developers say (it's fixed = no it's not) and to pick up on anything odd really helps.
Also with software testing thinking in three times lines really help.
Sounds odd but its not.
I just think to myself, Have I just found a problem ?
Did this happen in the past ?
How will this effect the customer in the future ?
That's the sort of out of the box thinking needed for the job.
Repetitive testing can be boring but worth it.
The ability to understand software programming really helps but the ability to program software is not needed.
This is what I have found in 15 years of testing software.
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I may look into as, five years spent teaching grannies how to use the internet and a background in Multimedia development before that will help.
I do have a good understanding of the technologies behind programming e.g .NET, Java, C++ etc and have written some quite large programs in the past but I am well out of that loop now.
At 28 I am probably too old for IT industry though!
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no your not.
I am 36 and I regularly work with 50 year old programmers.
Your never to old to learn, as long as you have the ability to learn.
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Remember, even at todays price, petrol / diesel is only 30p per litre. As the oil price rises maybe the governments will have to rethink their tax take.
Its one thing taxing an inexpensive commodity highly, but once that commodity becomes expensive they have a decision to make
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Friend of mine has moved to China recently. He's been there since September, and reckons that food prices especially, but also inflation more generally, are sharply on the rise. Food has gone up by 20% in the three months since he arrived, everything else is not too far behind. Reporting of this in the media is taboo, but it's well known. The pressure on everything else, not lease wages, is obvious.
My point? There's going to be a significant advantage to the Chinese for a long time yet, but it won't last forever.
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>> One solution which won't be popular might be to tax employers for employing people who
>> live say 10 miles from the location or say 25 miles if it is rural.
I'm always bemused by all the people who drive in opposite direction across the Pennines on the M62 each day - why don't they all just swap jobs!
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Or at least get the train and leave the roads free for all the lorries that have no option but to use them :)
Coat anyone?
Pat
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Well that is happening already the problem is massive increase of train usage there isn't enough spaces!.
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Diesel £1.35 up here.
As for heating oil, the last time I purchased some it was about 11.7 pence per litre more expensive than the Boilerjuice national average.
I agree with Baz, by the way. I don't see any signs that rising fuel prices are having much impact on behaviour. Be buy, we moan, we carry on as before.
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It can't go though sooner or later there will be a triger.
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Really?
I'm not convinced.
First of all, because when the unthinkable happens, people get used to it very quickly.
Second, because as fuel prices have risen, so have wages, so the prices don't hurt that much.
Third, because cars are constantly becoming more economical. 10 years ago, the most economical cars on the road were getting about 60 mpg, now they are getting about 80 mpg.
Fourth, because as fossil fuel prices rise, alternatively powered vehicles will, potentially, become economically viable. (Of course you may well consider that to be a trigger.)
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"Second, because as fuel prices have risen, so have wages, so the prices don't hurt that much."
Mine hasn't, its frozen for the next couple of years.
" now they are getting about 80 mpg."
I have a three year old diesel. I'm not getting anymore than 60 mpg, often less.
With a dearer grocery basket, higher utility bills and other increases, I wished I lived on the same planet as you. You seem to be quite cosy where you are.
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> Second, because as fuel prices have risen, so have wages, so the prices don't hurt that much.
Have they? you must be in the public sector then .
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"> Second, because as fuel prices have risen, so have wages, so the prices don't hurt that much.
Have they? you must be in the public sector then .
RF & Cpt. Flack: I was referring the long term, not the past couple of years. Mine are frozen as well, but I'm earning a lot more than I was 20 years ago, so I'm not complaining.
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>>"" now they are getting about 80 mpg."
I have a three year old diesel. I'm not getting anymore than 60 mpg, often less."
So a) if it is 3 years old, it isn't a current car. And not many people were getting 60 mpg 10 years ago.
With a dearer grocery basket, higher utility bills and other increases, I wished I lived on the same planet as you. You seem to be quite cosy where you are.
I confess to being very cosy.
Because of the cost of heating oil (see my post of yesterday evening) - the temperature in my house tends to be about 9° or 10° when I get up in the morning. I pay more for petrol than most folk (see the above post), and don't have a chance of seeing anything like 60 mpg in a 9 year old petrol Berlingo. But yes, on my planet, life is good.
I guess it's partly because I also remember how short money was in the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s. Prices - including petrol and diesel - have risen a lot over the years, but I've never had more money, and judging by the cars other people are driving, they aren't doing too badly either.
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All we need is interest rates to rise. Then we will have a big squeeze on those with any form of debt...
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>> All we need is interest rates to rise. Then we will have a big squeeze
>> on those with any form of debt...
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Interest rates are only going to go one way, and it is the same way as fuel prices. The Mail is saying £5.55 a gallon today, and the VAT has not gone up yet. :-(
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You've been up there too long ON. The Private Frazer tendency is creeping in! :-)
John
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Truth hurt, or do you know different. Higher interest rates are good news for me, I don't owe a penny to anyone. :-)
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Ah all is explained
YOu read the mail.
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My mortgage payment fell off a cliff this month, end of our fixed rate. Can't believe we've been here 3 years now.
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>> YOu read the mail.
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I read many papers, clever this interweb thingy, I don't even have to leave my armchair to get them.
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>> The Mail is saying £5.55 a gallon today, ............
They should have put it in pence per litre so that we can compare it with what the pumps say. I admit to being old-fashioned but even I don't say pounds per gallon.
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Forgive me for this L'es, I know you don't need instruction but it's fun anyway
tinyurl.com/2umkvxu
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>> Forgive me for this L'es, I know you don't need instruction but it's fun anyway
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>> tinyurl.com/2umkvxu
I don't need that because I can convert it in my head ~ I went to school in an era when one did mental arithmetic. I was thinking about the common herd needing help.
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>>I don't need that because I can convert it in my head
I won't apologise as I did so in advance, maybe you didn't notice.
I do think the Google feature of doing all sorts of conversions directly from the search box is worth knowing about, which is why I posted it.
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One think you have to note though is many new direct injection petrols like VAG TSI only run at their best on Super Unleaded: given the economy is inferior with the petrol and you are still paying through nose. If I carry on doing motorway runs I may be tempted by a 320D ES.
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Diesel Prices - RattleandSmoke
