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Last edited by: VxFan on Wed 2 Jan 13 at 21:13
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Lovely to see and hear one of these, almost certainly part of Atlantic Airlines' fleet, bumbling southwards over Northampton c18:15 yesterday.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Atlantic.airlines.electra.g-lofd.arp.jpg
Believe they've got 2 airworthy again now.
Last edited by: Bromptonaut on Tue 16 Oct 12 at 22:50
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Good Lord! are they still flying? They must be 50 years old! - Over a THIRD of all built have been written off in accidents and incidents.
Atlantic Airways - specialises in the transport of dangerous goods and radioactive products
My giddy aunt, thats not a reassuring mix,
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Being about 35 miles from Coventry Atlantic's fleet have been common overflies as long as I've lived here.
One of their brace of DC6 either straining outbound at midnight or rumbling by just dropping out of CAS by descent at breakfast time was another delight now gone.
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>> Good Lord! are they still flying? They must be 50 years old! - Over a
>> THIRD of all built have been written off in accidents and incidents.
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>> Atlantic Airways - specialises in the transport of dangerous goods and radioactive products
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>> My giddy aunt, thats not a reassuring mix,
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The Avro Lancaster is seventy years and still flying after it's re build there hope to rebuild you when your seventy. :-)
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You have LMS Coronation Class 4-6-2 no 46233 Duchess of SUtherland through Rugby/Northampton/Milton Keynes on Saturday morning.
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Thanks for the hedzup - any clue on timings?
Passing through or a watering stop? - Noticed a rail contractors water tanker parked up adjacent the CE sidings this evening.
Last edited by: Bromptonaut on Tue 16 Oct 12 at 23:48
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>> Thanks for the hedzup - any clue on timings?
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>> Passing through or a watering stop? - Noticed a rail contractors water tanker parked up
>> adjacent the CE sidings this evening.
Derby > Euston - Was due to run round the melton/oakham/corby/kettering route, but route changed.
Diesel hauled to Nuneaton, Engine run round there and then Steam.
Is now
Nuneaton depart 09:30
Rugby 09:48 pass
Northampton arrive 10:13 depart 10:53
Milton Keynes arrive 11:15 depart 11:28
These are the only two scheduled stops, and the Northampton stop is the only one long enough for water, so I guess it will top up there. Will probably get finalised timings and platform numbers later in the week.
Last edited by: Zero on Wed 17 Oct 12 at 10:19
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Arrived and left on time. Watered from some sort of Fire and Rescue vehicle on the cab rank via a hose passed through station fence. Lots of watchers on platform and another 50 or 60 on the overflow car park which abuts the up main line.
Not much good for photography as she passed in front of us concealed in a massive cloud of her own steam.
Stock was a West Coast railways set in a consistent BR purple. Mostly mk1 but with two or three first class that were what I think are Metro Cammell build pullmans from the east coast pullman sets of the sixites.
Class 47/8 in the rear presumably as a genny for the heating.
Is running back out of Euston as far as Bletchley where it takes the Bedford line returning via Kettering whether direct or by Oakham I don't know. Route change was due to re-ballasting (affecting clearances?).
Last edited by: Bromptonaut on Sat 20 Oct 12 at 15:05
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I see it's coming through here just after six, unfortunately sunset's just before six.
I'll go and have a look, but don't expect any photo's.
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>> I see it's coming through here just after six, unfortunately sunset's just before six.
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>> I'll go and have a look, but don't expect any photo's.
Where's here BT - Wellyboro' ish?
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And here is the old girl, filmed at Cheddington, just south of the location of the Great Train Robbery.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaBjwibtkhE&feature=youtu.be
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How fast was she running there Z?
I think the lens foreshortens the mid ground and emphasises but I'd never noticed extent to which up slow platform a Chedd was curved and the track slewed. .
And I go through, albeit usually on the fast side, twice a day.
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Timed her at about 55mph. The fast line at Cheddington is more or less straight, the two local lines have to curve round the central island platform.
Last edited by: Zero on Sat 20 Oct 12 at 18:15
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>>Where's here BT
Bedford,on the bridge above St John's station: goo.gl/maps/74qPz
It came through right on time. Here's a link to a video: tinyurl.com/9t6ssuj
Not to Zero's standard, it's a fifty quid camera.
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Thats a nice location. Light is good too.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca7OWEzgtdQ
Crank up the volume on this little beauty
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Love the fox; complete insouscience . No third rail here but do they often get electrocuted?
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>> Love the fox. No third rail here but do they often get electrocuted?
Almost never, loads of foxes on the railway lines round here, seen them walking over the tracks, never seen an electrocuted one. No idea why.
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Excellent! - great positioning too, the sound reminded me of the old American rail-road movies.
I think Mr Fox has got Mange, alas.
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Nice to see a "matching set" of coaches, instead of the usual raggle-taggle bunch!
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>> Nice to see a "matching set" of coaches, instead of the usual raggle-taggle bunch!
Pullmans in Umber and cream livery, in running order
"Mercator", kitchen coach (99545), "Lucille" "Ibis" "Gwen" "Cygnus" "Minerva" "Phoenix" "Perseus" "Vera" "Audrey" "Zena" Generator 6313, EWS Class 67 67022.
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I think I may have seen some of them "parked-up" in sidings at Carnforth, on my rare jaunts past!
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Mildly bad news in the evening paper last night. BRB have applied for planning consent to demolish Manchester's ' ghost ' terminus....Mayfield.
Unused by passengers for 50 yrs and by Royal Mail for 40, this is a rare example of an Edwardian main line terminus in largely original condition with many features of it's time, 1910.
Heavily vandalised and firebugged, so the land is to be sold off for development . Shame really, an unusual and unique bit of the city's history going for ever.
The platforms are at high level and the trackbed is still connected to the WCML at the throat of Piccadilly station. With renovation and travelator links to the main station, it could have been a useful few platforms for local traffic, as it was built to be.
RIP old friend.
Ted
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Is a real shame, I had hoped Mayfield would become the terminus of HS2, and possibly even an international railway station with trains to places as far as Madrid :(.
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I was surprised to find out about this station last year. You'd never know it was there. A waste.
But it's a waste of land and real estate prices mean it's better used for something else I guess. Doesn't Piccadilly have enough platforms.
Anyone else remember seeing Eurostar trains in Longsight... never went further than an idea really did it.
EDIT: You'd not even know the station Ted mention even if you drove past it:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_Mayfield_railway_station
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There's quite a shortage of platform capacity at Diccapilly, Rob. Most shorter trains have to double up in the platforms.
Mayfield was built to serve the new LNWR line through Styal to Wilmslow possibly built to avoid Stockport where a covenant still exists compelling all passenger trains to stop there.
Mayfield could be used for trains on the Styal, Chester and Buxton routes together with trains to Glossop, Hadfield and Marple.
There seems to be plenty of open space in front of the station for taxis/pick up/drop off/etc and a sympathetic restoration would regenerate the area, especially as the City Mortuary, behind the station on Rachel St, has been demolished........no-one wanted to live near that !
All down to money and big business...as usual.
Ted
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>especially as the City Mortuary, behind the station on Rachel St, has been demolished...
>no-one wanted to live near that !
An Estate Agent told me that people were dying to move there!
Is that my coat?
;-)
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Nah, It's yer shroud, Kev !
Actually, in different circumstances it wasn't a bad property, especially for a car enthusiast.
Built in the sixties, bounded on three sides by the senior morticians house and garden with it's own access door to the operation rooms and fridges on the second side. The third side was three garages, quite high roofed for the vans.
An 8ft high brick wall ran back to the garden with high solid gates leaving a useful enclosed yard.
I spent a fair few hours in there in the 60s/70s. The pathologist, Dr Blench, smoked all the time so you could be sure of going to your grave with a chest cavity full of fag ash ! I guess he had to, you never got the smell out of your head.
Ted
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A few interesting photos of Mayfield here
www.panoramio.com/photo/79627344
Ted
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>An 8ft high brick wall ran back to the garden with high solid gates leaving a useful enclosed yard.
>The pathologist, Dr Blench, smoked all the time so you could be sure of going to your grave
>with a chest cavity full of fag ash !
Was Frau Blücher a frequent visitor?
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Mention of the Colwich rail crash in the Ryanair thread reminded me of an anomaly.
The two locomotives involved were ' The Times ' and ' City of Milton Keynes ' .
But there never has been a city of Milton Keynes for the locomotive to be named after.
MK tried three times to obtain city status between 2000 and 2012 and was declined each time.
Someone on the loco naming committee jumping the gun a bit ?
Ted
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Well I was due to go out today and film Tangmere on its journey from Weymouth to London and back. It is however now stuck (and has been for an hour) on the Parkestone bank, holding up a myriad of other services.
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Wonderful conditions for greasy rails in least few days. Is there no diesel on the rear to give it a shove?
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Nope, the eejits left the thing behind at at Wareham. Its now on the move again, at least 1.5 hours down on time, with chaos in its wake.
Same thing happened this time last year, only down near dover. Same Engine, no Diesel. Lessons not learned.
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Well, that should bring a new horizon to your free, exciting, locomotive watching experience.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th8H6mnM540&feature=related
If you have 30 minuites of your time, this is a very amusing little clip.
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should`ve used a Garmin sat-nav!!!
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>> If you have 30 minuites of your time, this is a very amusing little clip.
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You're not kidding. Had to get my hanky to wipe away the laughter tears when we got to purgatory. And the second one with the short skirts is just as good.
There's a funky simulator thing on Steam called Railroad Tycoon, which is ancient, but works well, costs about three quid, and has wasted some hours of my life in the last few weeks.
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I know I'm a tad (err) different to the average bear but, I didn't find that little clip amusing at all at all.
In fact, I found it rather depressing to think that some geezer could spend the best-part of his life stuck in that thing.
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Aren't they paid quite well for it Dog, and this page appears to suggest they don't have any trouble filling the vacancies. Horses (and dogs) for courses :)
www.trainweb.org/districtdave/html/recruitment.html
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I know a London tube train driver Focus, he's an alcoholic and earns good beans, but I just couldn't see myself stuck in that cab all day holding the dead man's handle.
Perhaps modern tube trains cabs are a nicer place to be, I don't know, it reminds me of the old Leyland Terrier cab I used to be stuck in all day back in the 70's :(
Course, I know it's only a game, but I don't play games, well - not that sort ;)
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>>I know a London tube train driver Focus, he's an alcoholic and earns good beans,
They actually employ Alcho`s to drive the tubes?? what if they go off the rails!!! ;-)
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Very good ike, is it opening time yet ;)
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>> If you have 30 minuites of your time, this is a very amusing little clip.
That is pure comedy gold, far better than many of the so-called comedies on the tellybox.
Have you seen part 2? That's even better, in my opinion.
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Yeah - often seen that one. I saw one guy standing on top of a step ladder on the edge of the platform as HSTs went by at the weekend. I was so intent on trying to catch the resulting terrible tragedy on video I missed the engine I came to see.
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More death on the railways today one man jumped off a bridge into the path of a loco.
It's the silly season again there will be more. :-(
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Yes there will be, Christmas is an incredibly lonely time when you're alone.
Pat
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Been planning videoing this this for a while, Sarah Sidon, one of the engines involved traveled up from Eastleigh to Rusilip last week.
Think I mentioned it earlier this year when they did the rehearsal?
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There are some lovely photos on that Mail site - especially the one at the station - very authentic !
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Alas you are not normally allowed to video on LU stations, unless you get a license, (unlike main line stations) and space will be restricted for safety reasons, but there are ways round this at one of the stations involved.
Last edited by: Zero on Mon 17 Dec 12 at 19:25
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Blimey! - first I've heard they used to run steam locomotives on the London Underground.
That explains why the Metropolitan Line always appeared a tad different compared to my local Northern/Bakerloo Lines that me and Danny used to use 'buckshee' by darting down the emergency stairs.
:}
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What I enjoy s the thought of all those people in elaborate Victorian clothing and hats emerging choking and blackened from a brisk trajectory between Paddington and Baker Street. Trying vainly to brush the soot out of their beavers...
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Just their hats and beards Rob. What else could you be implying?
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Something in the back of my mind says the chimneys on the engines were blocked when underground, or something similar.
Anyone?
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At first no, they were not. It was planned to use smokeless and condensing locos, so there were no vents, but there was a huge argument between the railway companies running it, so smokeless engines were not used. It caused much distress, and vents had to be cut in the roof to expel smoke, much to the annoyance of people who lived next to the vent hole. One still exists somewhere.
It was electrified pretty quickly after opening.
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Edit, I guess you meant condensing locomotives? ie no steam? so yes they did condense steam, but still emitted smoke.
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"It was electrified pretty quickly after opening."
well 38 years after in 1905
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38 years is a short time in underground history.
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The early steam locos on the underground were soon made to condense their own steam back into the water tanks. The crews must have had a particularly hard time as most of these engines were built without proper cabs so, as well as smoke, they had flying coals and ashes to cope with. Unlike the passengers, they were in this environment for a full working shift, probably 10 hours a day.
No 1 would have spent most of it's working life on the overground lines of the Met....suburban work up to Verney Junction where it met the Great Central Railway.
Sarah Siddons....
s479.beta.photobucket.com/user/1400ted/media/SarahSiddons_zps32fc8185.jpg.html
Ted
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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-20754726
Nuclear waste transferred from Dounreay (the far north) to Sellafield in Cumbria (far north for the EnglishSoutherners!!)
The engines look a bit like the diesel's from my later childhood i.e. about 50 years old, or am I mistaken?
Dangerous cargo pulled by antiquated diesels does not instil confidence
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They are Direct Rail Services class 37's built between 1960 and 1965.
My father used to drive one with the spent fuel from Bradwell power station in the 60's
I dont see what the age of the loco has to do with it, a lot of these old engines are still used on the main line, some even as rescue tugs for the more modern stuff which breaks down (and one new class has a tendency to combust)
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? Did it go like a bomb?
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Bit like flying in fortytwo year old 747 Jumbos.
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Could be why they double them up.
It is the safest way of moving it, the flasks are almost indestructible.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY446h4pZdc
Last edited by: Old Navy on Tue 18 Dec 12 at 09:22
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AS ON infers the age of the locos is pretty academic - as long as the flasks are up to the job.
Last edited by: Bromptonaut on Tue 18 Dec 12 at 10:35
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Unfortunate term, flask. About 50% of my expeditions with a Thermos have resulted in it breaking, I have one of those steel ones now.
I wouldn't worry about the trains though.
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Class 144 were built in around 1985 and carry passengers most of the stock is all old hat class 158 plenty of these 1991.
Those 37 carry freight trains often seen and as Zero says they are the rescue tugs for the large companies main fleet.
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Good workhorses, one of my favourites for looks and noise, used in the Scottish Highlands until recently, with snowploughs fitted.
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I think the lessons of road transporting nuclear material were learned when convoys moved warheads from Aldermaston to the Faslane /Coulport complex of bases. They were frequently attacked by demonstrators, favourite ploys were paint on windscreens, brake air hoses cut, and sharp objects to puncture tyres, along with basic laying in the road.
tinyurl.com/d36omxv
link somewhat shortened
Last edited by: VxFan on Wed 19 Dec 12 at 00:39
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I guess I'm not going to be complaining about selective use of TinyURL so much going forward.
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>> I guess I'm not going to be complaining about selective use of TinyURL so much
>> going forward.
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When I saw how long it was I did try, I missed the edit.
Which should be a bit longer for us geriatrics.
Last edited by: Old Navy on Tue 18 Dec 12 at 15:20
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The url is longer than the convoy
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>>Which should be a bit longer for us geriatrics
I feel sure that there should be a funny crack to make at this point, but I'm damned if I can think of it.
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>> >>Which should be a bit longer for us geriatrics
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>> I feel sure that there should be a funny crack to make at this point,
>> but I'm damned if I can think of it.
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The url is willing but the flask is weak?
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>> Which should be a bit longer for us geriatrics.
It's alright. You can always blame the splashes on your shoes was caused by the rain.
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>> demonstrators, favourite ploys were paint on windscreens, brake air hoses cut, and sharp objects to puncture tyres, along with basic laying in the road.
My youngest used to persecute yr colleagues at Faslane ON, chaining herself to things and lying in the road, and eventually got into trouble for it to our great annoyance. But I don't think she would have cut brake lines or tried to damage tyres, doesn't want to risk hurting anyone. She's coming back from Australia soon. She's a good girl (well, over 30 now) but I do hope she's mellowed a bit on the protest front. It's so tiring, all that stuff, and it doesn't even dent the State.
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>> My youngest used to persecute yr colleagues at Faslane ON, chaining herself to things and
>> lying in the road, and eventually got into trouble for it to our great annoyance.
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You can put her mind at rest, in the 25 years I worked at Faslane the Peace Camp residents and other demonstrators were never more than a minor inconvenience and never disrupted the operation of the base, (or would have been allowed to). Their problem was the navy has lots of boats and Faslane has water access.
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The navy now has less boats than admirals.
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Don't confuse ships and boats, it would give you away as an amateur. :-)
Last edited by: Old Navy on Tue 18 Dec 12 at 19:06
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Yes I know a submarine is a boat.
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Not what I meant, when the demonstrators blocked the roads a ferry service was run. The only inconvenience was if your personal car was inside the base. Demonstrations of any size were well forecasted and cars could be pre positioned. If I needed a car for work travel and my navy car was inside the base and could not delay the journey for a day or two I could rent a car after leaving the base by boat.
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My Uncle Ian was Chief Engineer at BNFL up to about 1980, and was closely involved with the design of the flasks used to transport spent fuel by rail. I get a warm feeling knowing they still do the job they were meant to all these years later.
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>> I get a warm feeling knowing they still do the job they were meant to all these years later.
Whereas others would be getting a warm feeling if they weren't up to the job.
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Or indeed a warm glow ! They passed down hereabouts quite regularly from Wylfa. By road from the Power Station and then by train from Valley a few miles down the road.
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We must have a frustrated demonstrator in our midst, there was never any animosity between the Navy personnel and the demonstrators. They were just looked upon as harmless and part of the game. The likes of the IRA and other organisations were a whole different ball game.
Is anyone going to give their reasons for ACs scowly face?
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>> Is anyone going to give their reasons for ACs scowly face?
There's a creep putting them on a lot of my posts. Creepy.
My daughter told me the protesters and the young matelots had quite friendly relations ON. The sailors would sometimes stop of for a couple of cans on the way back into the base from the pub.
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>> My daughter told me the protesters and the young matelots had quite friendly relations ON.
>> The sailors would sometimes stop of for a couple of cans on the way back
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Good job I am twice and a bit your daughters age. :-)
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Look at this beauty...........www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xvp2AeM68iM&sns=fb
Only flying Mosquito in the world.
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dont those twin merlins make a lovely noise.
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Junior got an airfix version for Xmas.
I'm sure he'll have fun building it.
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I got a rc helicopter for christmas them from the man kind shops for £30.00 you can fly it in the home, took it to work in the train shed wow it goes high and quick for 8 mins of flight time a real pilot i am now. :-)
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I ended up with a brace of these last year - bought as presents by different people. We will be having some drunken races with them one evening hopefully.
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Got a couple of these guy's products over the birthday/Xmas period.
www.avionvideo.com/
Old material on for example Vickers Viscount/Vanguard and airlines/airports from fifties to eighties skilfully restored and with just the right level (minimal) of commentary.
Highly recommended to others amongst us with an interest in old airliners etc.
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Lockheed Electra - Bromptonaut
