Non-motoring > Is it safe to come back? Miscellaneous
Thread Author: Netsur Replies: 121

 Is it safe to come back? - Netsur
I ceased frequenting this forum at least three years ago I think, due to some very reactionary and racist comments from a contributor who appears no longer to be posting. I have checked and note that he changed his name at one point but nevertheless his presence is not visible. Runfer suggested I return so I thought I would pop by to see how the land lay.

I dont post as often as I used to on the HJ site but hopefully you will consider my thoughts useful when I do.
 Is it safe to come back? - R.P.
I hope so ! Welcome back...!
 Is it safe to come back? - Fullchat
Welcome back. There are sometimes some strongly opposing views around racial and crime and punishment issues which can generate into fisticuffs. Those involved wear their beliefs and values on their sleeves so you know when its coming. Overall the site is generally good humored banter.
 Is it safe to come back? - Westpig
Welcome back.
 Is it safe to come back? - Bromptonaut
Welcome back Gareth. I'd intended to give you a nudge that Dog had absented himself but Runfer got there first.

Now we need to get GB back too.
 Is it safe to come back? - Runfer D'Hills
Welcome back !

I suppose, in fairness, it's not a bad idea to ensure that you'll have access to additional advice now that you've gone and bought a Renault...

;-))
 Is it safe to come back? - WillDeBeest
...even if it's mostly retrospective.
};---)

Yes, welcome back. Prompted by Humph, I looked in on your post-Smax thread over there but I still find that site hard work - technically more than personally - so it's good to see you back here
 Is it safe to come back? - Netsur
Thanks to you all. It is nice to be welcomed back and one of you got the reason why I left! The canine is no longer around to deliberately rile me (or so it seemed).

Anyway, to put you in the picture car wise.....I sold the S-Max (probably one of the best cars I have ever owned or driven) for a variety of reasons, not least that child #1 will be 17 next month and needs a small manual car to practice on. So I have ordered a new Renault Captur which will suit me for a few months until the driving test has been passed and the Captur will then be passed to a member of staff who is due a new car in the next 12 months. It is also a good experiment to see if Espadrille likes it enough to get one when the lease of her Juke expires next February.
 Is it safe to come back? - henry k
Another welcome back.
I was aware you were still around because of your interesting pprune updates.

>> I sold the S-Max
So time to update your profile ? :-)
 Is it safe to come back? - BiggerBadderDave
Welcome back Espada. Good to hear from you.

No point disappearing just because an idiot has posted a load of crap - there's loads of us!
 Is it safe to come back? - madf
Welcome back.

Lots of loons here.. mainly lost marbles being the cause.. :-)
 Is it safe to come back? - bathtub tom
>> Lots of loons here.. mainly lost marbles being the cause.. :-)

Anyone found mine?
 Is it safe to come back? - Ambo
The forum has its attack dogs but their bark is worth more than their bite.
 Is it safe to come back? - Cliff Pope
>> The forum has its attack dogs but their bark is worth more than their bite.
>>

It's never worth being offended by what people say, especially not those on a forum who aren't real people anyway. Think of them as characters in a book - you can enjoy even those you don't take to.


Welcome back !
 Is it safe to come back? - commerdriver
welcome back don't let anyone grind you down
 Is it safe to come back? - Robin O'Reliant
Welcome back, we did miss you.

Not a lot, mind ;-)
 Is it safe to come back? - Duncan
Is Rudedog not the same person as Dog?
 Is it safe to come back? - Armel Coussine
I seem to remember having a mild altercation with Espada on the subject of Zionism, and feared for a while that I had inadvertently provoked a flounce. I'm glad he's reappeared.

I'm missing the pooch too. I seem to remember him saying he was a bit bored with us.
Last edited by: Armel Coussine on Wed 4 Mar 15 at 14:51
 Is it safe to come back? - Netsur
Thanks Armel. I am happy to have a discussion with you on any topic - even Zionism, as long as it is a discussion. The world has moved on in the last three years and strongly held views in 2011 may no longer be valid in 2015.

Dog used the website to force his anti-American rhetoric on us and that transmogrified into anti-Israeli rants. As he had never admitted to visiting the Middle East and he would brook no discussion it was impossible to have a rational conversation. So I left as I simply got wound up.
 Is it safe to come back? - Bromptonaut
>> Dog used the website to force his anti-American rhetoric on us and that transmogrified into
>> anti-Israeli rants. As he had never admitted to visiting the Middle East and he would
>> brook no discussion it was impossible to have a rational conversation. So I left as
>> I simply got wound up.

Th parting of the ways came when he went beyond that and into straight racism. IIRC he flounced but moddies could justifiably have banned him.

Another missing in action is Alanovic.
Last edited by: Bromptonaut on Wed 4 Mar 15 at 16:51
 Is it safe to come back? - Zero

>> Another missing in action is Alanovic.

He got upset cos I dissed Reading again.
 Is it safe to come back? - Roger.
>> Thanks Armel. I am happy to have a discussion with you on any topic -
>> even Zionism, as long as it is a discussion. The world has moved on in
>> the last three years and strongly held views in 2011 may no longer be valid
>> in 2015.>>

Having seen the "blood brothers" of Palestinian Liberation working their happy games in Syria and close by, I'm beginning to have a lot more sympathy for Israel!
 Is it safe to come back? - WillDeBeest
No (to the Rudedog question)
Last edited by: WillDeBeest on Wed 4 Mar 15 at 14:49
 Is it safe to come back? - Ted
Welcome back Spads. Assume you're still in North Manchester/Salford.

Rattle and me are getting outnumbered by ruddy Southerners !

Dog's probably been looking through the window secretly . Could do with Iffy back as well....I might email him.
 Is it safe to come back? - Zero

>> Could do with Iffy back as
>> well.

No! There is no room for Tony Blackburn Lovers on here.
 Is it safe to come back? - Runfer D'Hills
He must be out by now mustn't he?
 Is it safe to come back? - Zero
It was a deliberate and wilful disregard for the parking rules. Big stick and all that.
Last edited by: Zero on Wed 4 Mar 15 at 16:43
 Is it safe to come back? - Runfer D'Hills
Hope he's got that drop top Escort thing stored somewhere dry. They leak you know.
 Is it safe to come back? - Zero
so did the caravan
 Is it safe to come back? - Netsur
Still living in North Manchester and now working from Bury. Makes Salford look rough!
 Is it safe to come back? - Armel Coussine
Everything north of Watford looks rough. By the time you're in the Manchester conglomerate, which fills all the space between Birmingham and Glasgow, you can't understand a word anyone's saying. I think they speak Old High Norse, something like that.

Mind you Glasgow itself is a genteel sort of place. Not ethnic enough. Aberdeen's more the real thing.

(Ignorant, ill-mannered smirk. Screams rudely at Irish skivvy to bring more ice).
 Is it safe to come back? - Alastairw
Oy! I'm only in Stockport y'know.
 Is it safe to come back? - rtj70
>> Oy! I'm only in Stockport y'know.

And I'm nearby too. Welcome back Espada.
 Is it safe to come back? - Westpig
>> Could do with Iffy back as
>> well....I might email him.
>>

Please do.. I liked his input.
Last edited by: Westpig on Wed 4 Mar 15 at 17:53
 Is it safe to come back? - Bromptonaut
>> Please do.. I liked his input.

Me too. Even if it usually prompted me to disagree!!

 Is it safe to come back? - Armel Coussine
Any distinctictive, argumentative personality is a loss to a place like this.

I feel some people take mere words too much to heart. If we were to meet each other, we'd know more or less immediately whether we could tolerate each other and behave accordingly.

Words alone, without face-to-face and the subliminal codes that go with it, are not everyone's cup of tea. It's easy for misunderstandings to arise from differences in verbal skills and talents.

For example, I would much prefer it if people weren't attacked for having racist opinions. What ought to happen is that the racist opinions should be taken carefully apart and the error, if found, explained to the racist. Otherwise it becomes a boring slangfest with no useful outcome.

Sometimes racist views are slipped in cunningly, as it were sideways, in 'deniable' fashion. That too should be analysed in a direct and rude way, without silly abuse.
 Is it safe to come back? - Runfer D'Hills
One thing I have learned from reading and contributing to this relatively modern phenomenon of online forums is that by and large, no matter how well argued any counterpoint may be, or how often it is repeated, qualified, justified or evidenced, that the person/s with the opposing view never ever say, "you know what, you're right and I was wrong"

In many ways, it's pointless. But it's probably best not to dwell on that thought. So much of life is.
 Is it safe to come back? - CGNorwich
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 Is it safe to come back? - Armel Coussine
>> no matter how well argued any counterpoint may be, or how often it is repeated, qualified, justified or evidenced, that the person/s with the opposing view never ever say, "you know what, you're right and I was wrong"

Pretty sure I have once or twice, nearly anyway. I've learned a few things here. I don't want to exaggerate of course.

If we are to be equals, though, I will expect others to take their criticism - or quite often badinage - standing up and not retire yelping.
Last edited by: Armel Coussine on Wed 4 Mar 15 at 18:50
 Is it safe to come back? - Armel Coussine
Some see this place as a rowdy council-school playground. I see it more as a small S-level sixth-form class in the gardens of a public school.

Heh heh...
 Is it safe to come back? - Cliff Pope
. I see it more as a
>> small S-level sixth-form class in the gardens of a public school.
>>

I read that as "public house", which would have perfectly mixed the two impressions I have - schoolboy debating society, and a friendly but rather rowdy pub.
 Is it safe to come back? - Zero

>> In many ways, it's pointless. But it's probably best not to dwell on that thought.
>> So much of life is.

You know what? you are wrong and I was right.
 Is it safe to come back? - Armel Coussine
>> I feel some people take mere words too much to heart. If we were to meet each other, we'd know more or less immediately whether we could tolerate each other

In Iffy's case, I used to call him Iffski to tease him with the suggestion that he was a Russian agent. Can't remember why but it seemed a good idea at the time. I'm afraid it made Iffy draw himself up and look down his nose though, and go all stiff and proud (if he noticed at all, of course).

That was the last thing I wanted. I hope he comes back.
 Is it safe to come back? - BiggerBadderDave
'Rattle and me are getting outnumbered by ruddy Southerners!'

I stand with you two. Ancoats, Levenshulme, Denton, now Cheadle Hulme. We should meet for a shandy.

 Is it safe to come back? - Zero
Quite right, there should be a place for Northerners on here. It makes us Southerners realise how well off we are.
 Is it safe to come back? - Runfer D'Hills
But of course you are, without question. And if it's all the same to you, would you mind awfully just staying there?
 Is it safe to come back? - Zero
>> But of course you are, without question. And if it's all the same to you,
>> would you mind awfully just staying there?

You seriously think we would want to come and live up there? NFC!
 Is it safe to come back? - Runfer D'Hills
Phew !
 Is it safe to come back? - Bromptonaut
>> You seriously think we would want to come and live up there? NFC!

And I'd say same about being more than a mile nearer London than I am now. Leeds OTOH would suit me down to ground.

OTOOH soonest possibility of grandchildren is in Plymouth.
 Is it safe to come back? - Zero

>> And I'd say same about being more than a mile nearer London than I am
>> now. Leeds OTOH would suit me down to ground.

Thats because you are an immigrant, Nige will sort you out.
 Is it safe to come back? - Netsur
Living in the North with a Londoner for a wife it is difficult.........actually no its not. Could never live in London. Prefer to live in any other city than London. Its too foreign to be the UK capital. Give me New York or Paris any day.....
 Is it safe to come back? - Bromptonaut
>> Living in the North with a Londoner for a wife it is difficult.........actually no its
>> not. Could never live in London. Prefer to live in any other city than London.
>> Its too foreign to be the UK capital. Give me New York or Paris any
>> day.....

Could live with the foreign bit. It was the sheer size and difficulty of navigation that got me. Together with the aggression.
 Is it safe to come back? - Runfer D'Hills
I could, indeed have many years ago, live in central London if I worked there and was earning ( very ) decent money.

The thought of living in a London suburb and commuting into the centre every day would fill me with dread.

Although it could be a way of justifying a Panda I suppose.

I like cities and I like very rural places. It's small towns I dislike.

I live in a small town.
 Is it safe to come back? - legacylad
The problem, at least as I see it, in living in a rural environment is that a lot of people try to know a lot of other people's business. Not everyone is like that, but many are. And if they don't know, they make it up.
95% if the time I enjoy my rural community. The immediate access to the countryside. The views walking to work. And from my house. But a lot of people have lived here all their lives, and their small, narrow minded bigotry sometimes makes me want to hit them. I was born in Bradford, lived there for many years, bought my first house there, moved to Keighley for 15 years, so have first hand experience of living and working alongside a multi cultural society. My best friends at school were West Indians & Latvians, and from my Keighley days I have several Pakistani & Bangladeshi friends. One of whom I bumped into today, not having seen him for 15 months. It was good to catch up.
There is good and bad in everyone, but some of the church going racists that I know, several of whom have never been to a large city, Leeds even which is only an hour on the train, really wind me up.
Rant over. Sorry.
 Is it safe to come back? - Cliff Pope
>> The problem, at least as I see it, in living in a rural environment is
>> that a lot of people try to know a lot of other people's business.

A bit of a contradiction there - "rural environment" and "lot of people"?

There are perhaps half a dozen people living within 2 miles of us.
 Is it safe to come back? - Zero

>> The thought of living in a London suburb and commuting into the centre every day
>> would fill me with dread.
>>

It can be hell and a route to an early grave. But it doesn't need to be like that.

I have a 10 minute walk to the station, no car no parking problems. If I catch the 7:25 mine is the first pickup station, fast through service. means I get a seat, a coffee, a paper, in a nice modern air conned train. Arrive Waterloo 7:55, quick walk to office, coffee at desk by 08:10 was my last stint.

I have worked all over central London, The West End, The City, Docklands, and in all that time the only thing that got me down was when I had to use "the drain" - The Waterloo and City Line - surely a living example of the entrance to Hades. But working in London is always vibrant and exciting both commercially and socially. The sheer variety of eating and drinking places and places to see is unsurpassed in any other city in the world.

The return journey on my last stint was a 10 minute walk to the station, a fast non stop 26 minute express, and through the home door by 18:10


Home is south facing, no dwelling to the south for 800 metres, I have a vista of trees and sky, a nice quiete neighbourhood with local shops, 10 minutes from the M25 and the routes that offers, 1 hour from unspoiled sandy beaches, 20 minutes from the natural scenic beauty of the Surrey Hills, 10 minute walk to unspoiled urban green natural highway.

And best of all I am 30 minutes away from London, a place of such magnetism that wifey and I will often travel there just to soak in the sights along the south bank (Surely the best vista in any city the world), go there for exhibitions and galleries, for concerts, for anything. Anything your artistic soul needs can be found in London. Only Sydney or San Francisco comes close in my experience, and they are a poor second.



Life and location really doesn't get better than that. I said to wifey, do you want to downsize and retire somewhere else, we both looked at each other with horror at the thought.




 Is it safe to come back? - Bromptonaut
Actually Z I found much the same compromise only further out. It was living within M25 rather than working in London got me down. Mrs B found her profession tough there but unlike Civil Servants there's no particular concentration of science teachers in London; she could work anywhere.

By time we wanted to settle down we both had ageing parents in the north so going up the M1 was a no brainer. We'd used the then Youth Hostel at Badby as a bolt hole out of London so we knew this area fairly well and it had plenty of good schools who's staff turned over without the churn that was taking place in London.

My job was always going to be in London, either Westminster or 'legal London' round Holborn.

We're 15mins drive from Northampton station (and 30 from MK). Trains are comfortable direct and reasonably fast, around an hour to Euston. Most start at Northampton so seats not a problem, just need to be at Euston 10mins before departure in evening. Door to desk was nearly 2hrs at first but timetable improvements took about 15mins out over years. The acquisition of a Brompton took another 15 out shut front door at 07:00, log on at 08:30.

We're on edge of a village. Open country, footpaths and Grand Union canal nearby. A5 on doorstep, ten minutes to M1, around 30 to the M40. Dover, Snowdonia and S Lakes within 3hrs. East Midlands or Birmingham airports have most flight options we need. London airports (except LGW) are pretty straightforward too.

Horses/courses.
 Is it safe to come back? - Zero
>> Actually Z I found much the same compromise only further out.

>>
>> Horses/courses.

But its the Midlands.
 Is it safe to come back? - hjd
>>
>> Life and location really doesn't get better than that. I said to wifey, do you
>> want to downsize and retire somewhere else, we both looked at each other with horror
>> at the thought.
>>
"Wifey"?
Is that an upgrade or downgrade for Nicole?
 Is it safe to come back? - Zero

>> "Wifey"?
>> Is that an upgrade or downgrade for Nicole?

well she is getting on a bit
 Is it safe to come back? - Duncan
>>
>> >> "Wifey"?
>> >> Is that an upgrade or downgrade for Nicole?
>>
>> well she is getting on a bit
>>

Well. Considering she started out as your daughter (remember the Renault Family "Papa? Nicole?") and now she's your wife, I would say the poor thing has suffered and aged more than most.

Edit.

Sorry, just seen NFM's post.
Last edited by: Duncan on Thu 5 Mar 15 at 18:01
 Is it safe to come back? - No FM2R
>Considering she started out as your daughter................ and now she's your wife

Did you have banjos playing as your Uncle Dad led her down the aisle?

In fact I've uncovered a bit of video from your Reception party afterwards...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpL0Q2OSRwQ

Isn't that you leading off the dancing around 3:30?
Last edited by: No FM2R on Thu 5 Mar 15 at 18:14
 Is it safe to come back? - Zero
>> >Considering she started out as your daughter................ and now she's your wife
>>
>> Did you have banjos playing as your Uncle Dad led her down the aisle?
>>
>> In fact I've uncovered a bit of video from your Reception party afterwards...
>>
>> www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpL0Q2OSRwQ
>>
>> Isn't that you leading off the dancing around 3:30?

Has the home office told you when you might be allowed back into the UK?
 Is it safe to come back? - No FM2R
>>Is that an upgrade or downgrade for Nicole?

I've always been bothered by this "Nicole" thing, ever since its first use in the beginning. Surely Nicole was the daughter, not the wife?

All seems a bit Freudian to me.
 Is it safe to come back? - Zero

>> I've always been bothered by this "Nicole" thing, ever since its first use in the
>> beginning. Surely Nicole was the daughter, not the wife?
>>
>> All seems a bit Freudian to me.

You'll be dissing Fifi next

Go swivel baldy
 Is it safe to come back? - Runfer D'Hills
Much as I've spent a lifetime denying it to myself and others, I think there is also a strong feeling of identity with the places we spend our formative years.

I grew up in Edinburgh but as a young adult I couldnt wait to spread my wings and by the happy coincidence of ending up working for an international company, I ended up having the opportunity to live and work in some fairly far flung locations. I wouldn't swop those experiences for the world but I do still feel very "at home" and at peace with the world whenever I find myself back in Scotland.

Obviously that wouldn't necessarily apply to someone who didn't have that childhood connection.

We are all to a greater or lesser extent partly functions of our habitats.
 Is it safe to come back? - Ted

>> I stand with you two. Ancoats, Levenshulme, Denton, now Cheadle Hulme. We should meet for
>> a shandy.
>>

We had a pub lunch with friends in Cheadle Hulme today. SWM's birthday. Had a shandy as well...driving ! The Hesketh Arms carvery.

Since when has CH been in Poland ? No objection to a meet from me !
>>
>>
 Is it safe to come back? - Armel Coussine
Those of you with some idea of what London is like seem to be scared and horrified by it. Can't say I blame you, but I myself am calloused to the place from living and commuting all over it for many years. I can still click into Metropolitan mode and let the car find its way, but increasingly often I get lost and think WTF?

When you live in the country, a London swoop looks like a mountain to climb, parking palaver and all that. I can still do it but I'm less and less keen as time goes on. Age cannot wither Cleopatra but it sure as hell withers me.
 Is it safe to come back? - legacylad
Do your friends affectionately call you Bill?
Gotta dash, off to earn more AirMiles & beer tokens
 Is it safe to come back? - BiggerBadderDave
"The Hesketh Arms carvery"

I was kicked out and chased up the street there about 28 years ago. I can't remember what I was up to but my old man wouldn't let me in the house and I had to sleep in the 505. Good old teenage times...

But I always go there when I'm back, and sit in the beer garden with the kids. I'm around for Easter and staying for a couple of weeks so I'm well up for a shandy Ted. Cheers!
 Is it safe to come back? - Ted

My EMail's in my profile, Big D.
 Is it safe to come back? - Dutchie
I don't know you Espada but I am surprised you left because of Dog.

A few not so nice comments about him being a racist.I never found him to be racist with me.

There are plenty of people with Dog's opinion live and let live.
 Is it safe to come back? - Pat
I have to admit Dutchie, I never found him racist either.......until a few weeks ago when I had an email from him asking me to give someone a 'thumbs up' for a racist post (from him)

I told him to log on and do it his *sausages* self.

So be warned, he will be reading this post!

Pat
 Is it safe to come back? - No FM2R
>> I never found him racist either.......until a few weeks ago when I had an email from him...

That's a bit bad. Bit surprising, to be honest, also.

Dog - if you are reading this, you ought to be prepared to stand up for your own opinions, even if they are shameful.

Asking someone else to do it is a bit cowardly. Especially since I don't buy that whole bit from Dave about not knowing who puts thumbs and frownies; so the Mods at least may well have thought that Pat was supporting something racist.

edit: although re-reading Pat's post, maybe you wanted her to say that the thumb was from you.

Last edited by: No FM2R on Thu 5 Mar 15 at 15:39
 Is it safe to come back? - Pat
No, he didn't. He just wanted to see the numbers increase....

Pat
 Is it safe to come back? - Armel Coussine
Dog isn't the only person here with racist views.

Anyone offended or in strong disagreement should be able to say so, and explain why.
That's more useful to everyone.

The fact is that everyone without exception holds some views that others might find racist. But bawling 'fascist!' and 'do-gooder!' back and forth is war-war. Jaw-jaw is the creative approach. Whatever Humph may think, it can modify attitudes even when people don't admit it.
 Is it safe to come back? - No FM2R
>>The fact is that everyone without exception holds some views that others might find racist

Bet I don't.
 Is it safe to come back? - Zero
>> >>The fact is that everyone without exception holds some views that others might find racist
>>
>> Bet I don't.

Hmmm I suspect you might have some preconceived ideas about a group of people that makes you dislike them.

Last edited by: VxFan on Sun 29 Jul 18 at 19:58
 Is it safe to come back? - No FM2R
>> I suspect you might have some preconceived ideas about a group of people

I guess its always possible some deep pyscho analysis might turn up something of which I'm a not aware, but I doubt it.

I'd certainly bet against it, its just not how I think.

I don't have to try not to think racist (or similar), its just that someone's race, nationality, colour etc. etc. is a matter of complete irrelevance to me - aside from anything else its a dumb, inaccurate, misleading and counter-productive way of judging people.
 Is it safe to come back? - Armel Coussine
>> deep pyscho analysis might turn up something of which I'm a not aware,

It certainly would. And some of the revelations would displease you greatly. On first acquaintance, the unconscious is not a nice or reassuring place.

But take it easy FMR. I didn't say we were all racists. I know however that attitudes inflected by inherited or acquired racism are universal. You may think a person's colour, race, creed etc. are irrelevant to your judgement of them, but if you even notice differences (and I'm sure you do) there are value judgements churning around down there being repressed by the good FMR... or so I have reason to think, from my own experience of course.

Analysis is much tougher and much harder work than people realise. It's very expensive too. I'd recommend it to anyone, although so much depends on the chemistry between analyst and analysand that there are many failures. My own analysis ended prematurely when I ran out of money.
 Is it safe to come back? - No FM2R
>>if you even notice differences

You mean like tall short thin fat black white muslim jew etc. etc.? None of those have any place in a value judgement. Nor do they feature in any value judgement I've ever made.

>>there are value judgements churning around down there being repressed by the good FMR

Like I said, I'm not claiming a virtue, its just not how I think. Or in this case, don't think. I wouldn't even know how to make a race based value judgement. Nor can I think of any reason I would bother to try. "Race X are usually nnnn" just doesn't make any sense.

>>And some of the revelations would displease you greatly

They may displease me, but they wouldn't surprise me. Racist views would be surprising.

However, since I have no intention of being analysed, I guess it will remain unconfirmed.
 Is it safe to come back? - Armel Coussine
>> They may displease me, but they wouldn't surprise me. Racist views would be surprising.

They would surprise you. And they would surely contain racist views, earnestly repressed by the good conscious FMR, not by that sinister little nose-picker out there in the dark.

You must surely FMR have been bombarded with filtered racist views from the very cradle, not by your immediate family of course but from numerous outside sources. Being the person you are you will have no truck with them. But they're still there. You haven't forgotten them and you can't make them not be there.

If you have the money I'd say you were quite a promising candidate for analysis: intellectually active and curious, with strongly held opinions and an eagerness to dismiss things by 'understanding' them. Analysis would soon knock you into shape. Actually the best centre for Kleinian analysis outside London is Buenos Aires, in your neck of the woods or near it by continental standards.
 Is it safe to come back? - No FM2R
If you say so. I doubt they exist, and we'll never know for sure.


And as William James was purportedly fond of saying "A difference that makes no difference is no difference at all."
 Is it safe to come back? - Armel Coussine
>> I doubt they exist, and we'll never know for sure.

Doubt away FMR. I know for sure.

But I'm sure you don't worry unduly about subtle evanescent matters of this sort. Now you see it now you don't... 'There! See? I don't see it!' Not worth the breath it takes.

Doubtless William James was a clever fellow. But that comment is banal and smug. Blanket denial is the first form of resistance to psychoanalytic theory.

You could do worse than call in at the Instituto or whatever it's called next time you're in BA. You could be a candidate for a cut-price or even free analysis, perhaps from a trainee shrink but closely supervised. I reckon you'd love it once you overcame the shock.
 Is it safe to come back? - Runfer D'Hills
I used to have a neighbour who was a specialist in criminal psychology. His minor claim to fame was that he was one of the real life characters the Robbie Coltrane role in the TV series "Cracker" was based.

Nice enough guy when he was sober and clearly very clever, but frankly one of the most socially dysfunctional people I've ever met. I'd not have let him analyse anything to do with me. Think he's dead now anyway.
 Is it safe to come back? - Zero
When he was being an obnoxious pillock I told him so pretty plainly, but I am surprised he had the need too use a surrogate.
 Is it safe to come back? - Fullchat
As an example. If you were confronted by a member of the travelling community in your driveway, with a pickup truck outside, inquiring as to whether you had any scrap metal and during a brief conversation their eyes were all over the place I would suggest you may have a pang of suspicion in your belly. These are inbuilt prejudices formed in a variety of ways from the impact of our peers in our formative years to personal experiences.
Whether we then discriminate is a whole different matter.
 Is it safe to come back? - No FM2R
A bloke on my driveway with a pickup eyeing the place over while asking me if I had any scrap metal would cause me suspicion whoever and whatever he was.

A bloke not on my drive without a pickup, not eyeing up my place and not asking me for scrap metal wouldn't cause any suspicion whoever and whatever he was.

There is a difference between saying "people who behave in this manner are looking for something to steal" and saying "people of race x {or whatever) are looking for something to steal"
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 Is it safe to come back? - legacylad
Zeddo, your invite is in the post to spend the first ten days of flaming June at Appleby. I could tell a tale or two, as related to me by a couple of BiB friends.
 Is it safe to come back? - Zero
>> Zeddo, your invite is in the post to spend the first ten days of flaming
>> June at Appleby.

Sorry, doing my hair that month.
 Is it safe to come back? - Dutchie
I am surprised to read that Pat.He shouldn't be asking you to do his dirty work.If you feel that way Dog just say it it is your point of vieuw right or wrong.
 Is it safe to come back? - No FM2R
Dutchie;

Dog and I just had an email exchange. Besides the stuff that he and I were discussing, he asked me to pass on his regards to you and Diane.

If you wish to email me (email address in my profile) I am happy to pass your email address to him or vice versa.

Mark.
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 Is it safe to come back? - Pat
>> he asked me to pass on his regards to you and Diane.<<

Why not do it himself on here?

Pat
 Is it safe to come back? - Duncan
So, is Dog still posting on here?

What is his username?

Why the mystery?
 Is it safe to come back? - Dog
I haven't posted on this forum since early last year Dunc.

But just to clear things up - I did indeed email Pat to ask her to give a thumbs up to some perceived racist comment but, the email was sent with a huge smile on my face because, think about ... how could Pat give a green thumb from Dog :-)

Dutchie ole son, I do hope you're looking after that English Rose of yours ;)

Um, I do indeed run through a selection of the posts on this forum now and again, but only to keep a check on the drinking and smoking habits of Almond Croissant.

Espada 111 ... There is nothing to fear but fear itself.

Tootle pip!
 Is it safe to come back? - Ted

Nice to hear from you Perro......no-one else calls me ' Teddy my love ' ! It's the only affection I get !

PM me if you want..it's on my profile.
 Is it safe to come back? - Dog
Cheers Teddy-my-love. I'll send you some jokes, they most likely would get deleted on here :}
 Is it safe to come back? - Zero
Oh dear, Espada has come back because the dog had escaped, and now the stray hound has been returned does that mean Espada will leave the pound again?
 Is it safe to come back? - Stuu
I will give GB's door a knock over the next few weeks as I will be in his area, unless he has moved of course. Not sure he could be tempted back mind.
 Is it safe to come back? - No FM2R
What made GB go off in a huff? I don't think I've ever known or even heard something likely. I remember him doing it and changing his username all symbolic like, but I never pinned it to an event.
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 Is it safe to come back? - Runfer D'Hills
He got hyphenated.
 Is it safe to come back? - No FM2R
Goodness me. Still, could have been worse, he could have been punctuated.
 Is it safe to come back? - Zero
>> What made GB go off in a huff? I don't think I've ever known or
>> even heard something likely. I remember him doing it and changing his username all symbolic
>> like, but I never pinned it to an event.

I shouted at him when he spouted "the three cheeks" line for the umpteenth time, so he went off in a huff.
 Is it safe to come back? - No FM2R
Oh yes, he was particularly proud of that phrase, wasn't he. He did seem to seek out opportunities to use it.
 Is it safe to come back? - Armel Coussine
>> I shouted at him when he spouted "the three cheeks" line for the umpteenth time

I seem to remember remonstrating mildly with someone for using that vulgar, deliberately misleading expression. GB may not have been its only user though.
 Is it safe to come back? - Mike H
>> I shouted at him when he spouted "the three cheeks" line for the umpteenth time,
>> so he went off in a huff.
>>
No idea what you are talking about, even googling "three cheeks" doesn't help. Have I led a sheltered life?
 Is it safe to come back? - Zero
>> >> I shouted at him when he spouted "the three cheeks" line for the umpteenth
>> time,
>> >> so he went off in a huff.
>> >>
>> No idea what you are talking about, even googling "three cheeks" doesn't help. Have I
>> led a sheltered life?

Its a George Galloway quote, describing traditional three party politics as "the three cheeks of the same a***"
 Is it safe to come back? - Haywain
"Its a George Galloway quote, describing traditional three party politics as "the three cheeks of the same a***""

Most sensible thing gorgeous George has ever said. Mind you, I did like it when he went over to the US and gave them a grilling.
 Is it safe to come back? - Bromptonaut
>> Most sensible thing gorgeous George has ever said. Mind you, I did like it when
>> he went over to the US and gave them a grilling.

Like a lot of ridiculed politicians he actually makes sense far more often than the establishment cares to recognise.
 Is it safe to come back? - Haywain
"Like a lot of ridiculed politicians he actually makes sense far more often than the establishment cares to recognise."

That's very true - maybe you should be a bit nicer to our Nigel.
 Is it safe to come back? - Zero
>> Like a lot of ridiculed politicians he actually makes sense far more often than the
>> establishment cares to recognise.

But not really often enough to be taken seriously. A fine memorable phrase for sure, but stuff like that is unique to him not to be repeated out of context Ad nauseam. The irony is that he would consider Nige the 4th cheek.
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 Is it safe to come back? - Dog
>>Its a George Galloway quote, describing traditional three party politics as "the three cheeks of the same a***"

Galloway never said "three cheeks of the same a***". He used to say two cheeks of the same backside.

T'was gb who stuck another cheek on the a***.
 Is it safe to come back? - Dog
>>Not sure he could be tempted back mind.

Tell him the engine blew up in Dog's Forester and he's considering fitting a Ford V4 engine in its place :}
 Is it safe to come back? - Cliff Pope
>> Oh dear, Espada has come back because the dog had escaped, and now the stray
>> hound has been returned does that mean Espada will leave the pound again?
>>

No point in keeping a dog and barking yourself.
 Is it safe to come back? - MD
I am quietly confident that GB has been back. Hope I'm right, I miss his input.

As for the Hound............well, I'm sooo glad tooo.
 Is it safe to come back? - Dog
>>As for the Hound............well, I'm sooo glad tooo.

And they called it puppy lurve. Oh, I guess they'll never know ;-)
 Is it safe to come back? - Duncan
Espada lll, who started this thread, hasn't been back since Wednesday.......
 Is it safe to come back? - Dog
>>Espada lll, who started this thread, hasn't been back since Wednesday.......

Perhaps he suffers from Cynophobia.

(*_*)
 Is it safe to come back? - devonite
Wasn't sure what Cynophobia was, so looked it up!

>>Cynophobia is the excessive fear of dogs. It is a fairly common phobia, along with snake and spider phobias. Cynophobia can interfere with your daily life, as it is fairly common to encounter a dog than most other animals. Those who have this phobia will often barricade themselves to their homes and will often avoid the outdoors as much as possible to avoid an encounter with a dog.

Hehe!

Edit: Not that I think suffering from it is funny tho'
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 Is it safe to come back? - Dog
>>Wasn't sure what Cynophobia was, so looked it up!

Me too, and I am an old Dog!
 Is it safe to come back? - VxFan
>> Espada lll, who started this thread, hasn't been back since Wednesday.......

His profile says "Last visited forum: Fri 6 Mar 2015"
 Is it safe to come back? - Bromptonaut
He posts on HJ as Happy Blue (he's and MCFC fan) and was on there posting over weekend.
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