Grudging admiration. No one physically hurt. Disappear Friday. Return Monday.
Sounds familiar
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inside job, alarm not working.
Fire in major telecoms route, Coincidence?
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>> Fire in major telecoms route, Coincidence?
Not a coincidence in my opinion. A bit Ocean's Eleven.
And the noise they made was ignored because of leaflets about work on a ticket office for Cross Rail nearby.
This was a well planned raid.
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Inside job as Zero says. They had keys to the first stage.
A lot of stuff in the comic about embarrassing ill-gotten gains being stolen, putting the owners in a difficult legal position. Tee hee, one is tempted to think.
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Reports on the radio just now say that the Rozzers were alerted by the alarm company but decided that it wasn't important enough!
Opps!
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I have a sneaking admiration for a well planned, well executed, daring bank heist where no-one gets hurt or threatened.
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>>I have a sneaking admiration for a well planned, well executed, daring bank heist where no-one gets hurt or threatened.
I can understand that.
There were some jewelers being interviewed who said that insurance was very difficult to obtain for stock that was so valuable and the deposit boxes were their best bet. These were family businesses that are likely to be hurt financially and perhaps seriously so.
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>> There were some jewelers being interviewed who said that insurance was very difficult to obtain
>> for stock that was so valuable and the deposit boxes were their best bet. These
>> were family businesses that are likely to be hurt financially and perhaps seriously so.
I think you can interpret that as "I didn't want anyone to know what I had because i can't prove where i got it, or i don't want to pay tax on it, so uninsured in a safety box was my only option"
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I should think that's a dead cert.
It must come as a big shock to find out that its not as safe as you thought.
I wonder which will be greater, those inflating their losses or those unable to declare their losses.
Either way, I bet they will outweigh those who are simply frank about their losses.
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Wouldn't you just love to know what they actually stole, and how that compares to what will be represented on police reports and insurance claims forms.
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I remember when the Digital office in Basingstoke burned, according to the claims and reports virtually every desk had a Mont Blanc pen and cash in the top drawer.
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>> I have a sneaking admiration for a well planned, well executed, daring bank heist where no-one gets hurt or threatened.
Mine isn't sneaking, it's quite open. If you must be a career tea leaf, that's the kind to be.
However I also have a bourgeois distaste for theft. It's the way I was raised: taking other people's property is something we don't do without permission.
I also have residual lefty property-is-theft nonsense guilt feelings, from a later stage in life.
It isn't at all nice being burgled, losing things precious to you which may just be melted down for their silver or gold content. Things aren't always just their face value, they have intangible value that may far outweigh the few or many quid they are worth to a receiver of stolen goods.
I'm as pathetically middle-class as the next person really, despite my many poses as a hooligan and tearaway. Don't tell anyone though.
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>> It isn't at all nice being burgled, losing things precious to you which may just be melted down for their silver or gold content. Things aren't always just their face value,
I tried to add, but was stymied by the pink stripe of death, that a professional thief has to coldly ignore any sympathy for the robbery victim, to be a bit more psychopathic than most people in fact. Such people may refrain from violence but they're still a bit of a blot on the landscape.
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>> a professional thief has to coldly ignore any sympathy for the robbery victim, to be a
>> bit more psychopathic than most people in fact.
If they do attempt to justify it (and I don't know whether they do), perhaps they believe their victims (bank or box owners) can afford it?
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Professional villainy is an industry in it's own right. A lot the money made goes to fund other forms of crime, including the less savoury stuff like child pornography and people trafficking. Those involved are parasites, feeding from everyone else.
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>> Professional villainy is an industry in it's own right. A lot the money made goes
>> to fund other forms of crime, including the less savoury stuff like child pornography and
>> people trafficking.
I would hazard a guess and say there is no big money to be made in child porn.
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>> I would hazard a guess and say there is no big money to be made in child porn.
Heh heh... shrewd as always. That's a specialised area, a minority interest.
Very big money to be made in speed and coke dealing though, for those with the bottle/muscle/protection as the case may be. Not so much from cannabis as a rule, although it's a big market in the depraved modern world. A cottage industry, at its best. Profiteering gangsters don't care about quality and don't understand it, so their stuff tends to fetch low retail prices.
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When I was burgled at home, the thieves did roughly as much damage getting in (broke a locked double glazing window frame) as the retail value of the goods they took. When one factors in they'll have got nothing like the true value of the goods, they perhaps got £300 and did at least £1500 of damage.
Given the excess on the insurance, it would have been cheaper to have stood outside waving cash... And one of the loss adjusters suggested my back door was not secure enough - although clammed up when I pointed out they'd not gained entry though it although there was evidence they'd tried.
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>> Reports on the radio just now say that the Rozzers were alerted by the alarm company but decided that it wasn't important enough!
What's the betting that some plastic plod were sent to have a look, then found the place safely locked up, then just left...
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BBC news said that a representative of the alarm company had been to the scene on the basis of that the police did not attend.
I can't imagine what sort of alarm system would be appropriate for a vault containing many millions of pounds worth of jewellery, but I expect it would be possible cost effectively to install one that would report reliably that there was someone actually in the vault.
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False alarms have always been an issue with alarm systems. I suspect the issue is that if the police gave every alarm call top priority they would never get anything else done.
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>> False alarms have always been an issue with alarm systems.
My very thought. There are usually half a dozen howling away within earshot in London. People just blank them out and stop hearing them. Even the security chaps fast asleep with their ear plugs in.
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>> I suspect the issue is
>> that if the police gave every alarm call top priority they would never get anything
>> else done.
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They don't have to give every alarm call top priority, just the very important ones worth a lot of money.
They presumably charge for this sevice, and make a charge for turning out at false alarms?
If it's worth windscreen insurers paying for repairs to tiny cracks in case they turn into big expensive ones, you'd have thought it was worth while turning out to prevent the robbery of the century.
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Allegedly there is a policy of not responding to alarms where there has been a false activation 3 times in the last 12 months.
I expect the phrase "risk based approach" will be used in a few meetings when the dust settles.
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>> They don't have to give every alarm call top priority, just the very important ones
>> worth a lot of money.
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>> They presumably charge for this sevice, and make a charge for turning out at false
>> alarms?
What will happened is that there will have been lots of false alarms at that address, you get so many before they stop turning up. The blokes that broke in will have known this.
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The police only have finite resources which are prioritised. Is an automatic alarm call to a bank a higher priority than a call to a knife crime or domestic violence or even a fatal road accident?
Someone has to decide. Sometimes in hindsight they make the wrong call. Would you do better?
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>> The police only have finite resources which are prioritised. Is an automatic alarm call to
>> a bank a higher priority than a call to a knife crime or domestic violence
>> or even a fatal road accident?
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>> Someone has to decide. Sometimes in hindsight they make the wrong call. Would you do
>> better?
Possibly not. But Sooty makes an interesting point, which is that if there is a standing policy not to respond to activations where there has been a succession of false alarms, all that is necessary to burgle the premises undisturbed is to arrange for the required number of false alarms in advance.
Equally, if I gave a few minutes thought to what sort of protection I would want for a vault containing £60m worth of jewellery etc., then I think it would include not just a silent alarm but also some sort of webcam set up in the vault itself with notifications to me or my private security contractor with access to the feed. Maybe there was such a system and the crims disabled it in some way; or maybe the alarm system could have been improved upon considerably.
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>> I would want for a vault containing £60m worth of jewellery etc., then I think it would include.........
........ one or more men sat there in constant radio contact with the outside.
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>> >> I would want for a vault containing £60m worth of jewellery etc., then I
>> think it would include.........
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>> ........ one or more men sat there in constant radio contact with the outside.
..but then you'd have to worry about the guards...Quis custodiet ipsos custodes, and all that.
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>>..but then you'd have to worry about the guards...Quis custodiet ipsos custodes, and all that.
If someone wants to rob, then effectively you cannot stop them.
What you can do is catch them afterwards. And if you make catching them more and more likely, then you make the crime less and less likely.
Its a bit like people on presidential protection say, you cannot stop someone who does not care if they die, you can only stop someone who wants to get away after the crime.
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It's, from what I remember, it's a bit more complicated but there are back ups. All the webcam and video feeds have been around for a number of years. You can have camera feeds viewable on your phone etc. Those sorts of places have one off systems, how knows what went on.
but like CGN says property, even large amounts of it comes below safety of a person.
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>> The police only have finite resources which are prioritised. Is an automatic alarm call to
>> a bank a higher priority than a call to a knife crime or domestic violence
>> or even a fatal road accident?
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>> Someone has to decide. Sometimes in hindsight they make the wrong call. Would you do
>> better?
Jewish holiday, place been robbed before, nearby fire?
My nick nick radar would be twitching
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Possibly but at the end of the day it's only a load of rich people's money that's gone missing.
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If it was Scooby Doo it'd be the curator. But it's not a museum I suppose...
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>> Possibly but at the end of the day it's only a load of rich people's
>> money that's gone missing.
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That's probably what the unemployable scrote who burgles your nice house thinks. I just cannot abide thieves of any description.
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I wasn't condoning theft. Just making the observation that its not the worst sort of crime and not necessarily the top priority to deal with.
At the end of the day this stuff should be insured. If it wasn't you can draw your own conclusions as to its origin
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>> At the end of the day this stuff should be insured. If it wasn't you
>> can draw your own conclusions as to its origin
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A lot of what people keep in these boxes has a personal value beyond monetary worth. And if it is insured it means we all pay.
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>> Jewish holiday, place been robbed before, nearby fire?
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>> My nick nick radar would be twitching
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what does that mean, inside job?
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>> >> Jewish holiday, place been robbed before, nearby fire?
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>> >> My nick nick radar would be twitching
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>> what does that mean, inside job?
Without doubt there some inside work ,at work. But I mean had the alarm gone off on my watch, I would have been thinking about the bigger picture and less inclined to ignore the alarm.
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IIRC I read somewhere the manager's on holiday and hasn't been in contact............................
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>> IIRC I read somewhere the manager's on holiday and...
Told you it was the "curator"
Am I alone in having had a thing for Daphne ?
;-)
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>> Am I alone in having had a thing for Daphne ?
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>> ;-)
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No, I do too, in fact I am tempted to paint the Transporter to match the Mystery Machine in case it helps with my chat-up lines.
;-)
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>> Someone has to decide. Sometimes in hindsight they make the wrong call. Would you do
>> better?
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Yes.
I'd turn out immediately, free, to the stabbing, but make a hefty charge for the service for banks etc. Those with repeated false alarms would get a severe warning and their premiums would go up, to whatever level would pay for the police resources.
If they didn't want to pay I'd tell them I was withdrawing the service, and they could rely on the bobby with a whistle just like anyone else.
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>> Yes.
>> I'd turn out immediately, free, to the stabbing, but make a hefty charge for the
>> service for banks etc. Those with repeated false alarms would get a severe warning and
>> their premiums would go up, to whatever level would pay for the police resources.
>> If they didn't want to pay I'd tell them I was withdrawing the service, and
>> they could rely on the bobby with a whistle just like anyone else.
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Not a million miles away from what happens now.
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If the police service doesn't or can't do something along those lines, then it probably should.
Then of course if they didn't turn out, or did so but failed to detect a robbery in progress, they might also be considered liable.
Reminds me of when I worked in Leeds in the 11 storey building at the top of Claypit Lane. Not a tall building by today's standards but it was considered a "high risk" building by the Fire Service, which always turned out, generally with a couple of appliances and a turntable ladder. It was a good hour or so in the car park while the lads unravelled their hoses, tramped up the stairs to investigate, then put them all away again.
We had a lot of false alarms, and the Fire Service did levy charges. It got quite silly until a completely new system was installed; whether at the insistence of the Fire Service, I don't know.
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It's been reported as a Robbery, but its not it's a Burglary - not as newsworthy maybe. But as a former practitioner detail is important.
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Local Force up here posted about a Robbery - lead off a Church Roof. They were corrected and have now changed it to Theft. Not just the press.
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>> But as a former practitioner detail is important.
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Do tell us more!
You mean as in the Ealing commedies there is a hierarchy amongst criminals, and a burglar would look down his nose at a mere robber? Was it Denis Price or Wilfrid Hyde-White who considered himself la creme as a confidence trickster? (Can't remember the film's title - it had Peter Sellers organising a conference of criminals)
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>> >> But as a former practitioner detail is important.
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>> Do tell us more!
>> You mean as in the Ealing commedies there is a hierarchy amongst criminals, and a
>> burglar would look down his nose at a mere robber? Was it Denis Price or
>> Wilfrid Hyde-White who considered himself la creme as a confidence trickster? (Can't remember the film's
>> title - it had Peter Sellers organising a conference of criminals)
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I think Rob is possibly referring to his time on the outside.
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>>You mean as in the Ealing commedies there is a hierarchy amongst criminals, and a burglar would look down his nose at a mere robber? Was it Denis Price or Wilfrid Hyde-White who considered himself la creme as a confidence trickster? (Can't remember the film's title - it had Peter Sellers organising a conference of criminals)
I think it was "The Wrong Arm of The Law" 1963 and if so it would be Denis Price.
My memory isn't that good - the info is from here:
www.imdb.com/title/tt0056704/?ref_=ttfc_fc_tt
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Many moons ago, in London, you had police officers in local police control rooms (one on each Borough) and there'd be a Sergeant or Acting Sergeant in charge. Further to that you'd have the central main Met Police control room at New Scotland Yard.
Overseeing the local ones would be the local Duty Officer (Inspector) and there'd be a Chief Inspector at NSY. There were standards... and they were mostly upheld.
Then they decided that they could drop some cops if they civilianised some of the posts, to save money. They lost a load of experience, but at that stage it wasn't too bad, because the new staff soon gelled with the old staff and started working to the old standards.
Then they decided they could civilianise the supervisors posts...so people who have never policed, never worked the streets, never had to make a proper judgement call are now in charge.
Then the individual Borough control rooms were merged into 3 main control rooms (Lambeth, Bow, Hendon) and NSY was closed.
So they've ended up with a mostly civilian outfit, that sticks to Standard Operating Procedures (SOP's), has no local knowledge, has very little liaison with local police officers and more importantly has little interaction with local supervisors.
Q: Who now maintains the standard?.... A: No one
All done to save money.
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>>All done to save money
Two problems with that;
1) Who in God's name says we want the cheapest possible police force? Surely we want the most effective possible?
2) It doesn't actually save money. Its called shuffling sunchairs on the deck of the Titanic.
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Surely we want some thing in between. Would you be willing to pay for the most effective police force possible if it cost ten times as much?
It's a question of balancing priorities. As far as the police ar concerned I think it's probably about right at the moment.
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>Surely we want some thing in between. Would you be willing to pay for the most effective police force possible if it cost ten times as much?
I might. I don't know what proportion of my contribution to the State currently funds the Police. So I don't really know how much more 10x might be.
But I very well might.
>>As far as the police are concerned I think it's probably about right at the moment.
With the money they're given, and the accompanying restrictions, I suspect that you're correct. But I think they could do better with a little more money and a lot more freedom.
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Well I suppose it depends on what the crime rate is where you live but living in One of the lowest crime areas in England with what I perceive to be an efficient police force I haven no wish to pay any more.
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I suppose there will be less crime if you live somewhere where most people are related...
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Related to what? Root vegetables?
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>>with what I perceive to be an efficient police force
Me too, I think.
But lets say that 10% of my current contribution to the state goes to the police. And the Police would like 10% more money. Which would roughly mean that my total contribution would go to 101% of what it is now.
Seems worthwhile to me and I'd pay it.
However, I truly have no idea what the real figures might be.
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Cost of UK policing per Head for 2012/3 was £191 per head.
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Jeez, I'd stump up another £20 a year (40p ish per week) to give them a 10% boost.
p.s. where did you find that figure?
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End of year tax statement tells you how much you pay into each gov dept, pretty useful I think. Cant remember where mine is right now. You live in Chile so don't think you get one, unless the chilean gov do something similar?
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>>unless the chilean gov do something similar?
Nope. I'd be surprised if they even know.
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>>Actually I thing that's quite a lot as an average.
It being an absolute amount, I guess it depends how much tax you pay as to how the percentage looks. In my case £4.00 per week is noise level.
thanks for the link though, I shall read that with interest.
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If the £200 a year is an average, and you pay 10 x the average per head, then it is in effect £2,000 to you:)
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Depends on what the average was; do you think it was more than total £ budget / total No. payers?
Still, if it was £2,000 I'd still cough up £200p.a. more if it was going to the Police.
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Ah, he made a break and is on the run. This forum's a safe house, he can trust us.
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>> Ah, he made a break and is on the run. This forum's a safe house,
>> he can trust us.
Nope someone on 'ere would grass 'im up for nuffink more than the price of a cup of rosie.
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.............or a sausage roll!
tinyurl.com/ltk9xn8
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www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-32799703
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Given that it says some stuff has been recovered, I wonder how you go about claiming something you'd never declared you owned in the first place.
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>> Given that it says some stuff has been recovered, I wonder how you go about
>> claiming something you'd never declared you owned in the first place.
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You swop data with another box holder and each claims for the other's stuff...
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>> www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-32799703
Some of them are in their 70s. Rumour mill has it there are one or two of the Brinks Matt mob in there.
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I firmly believe that the brown stuff will enter the rotating bladed instrument and the resulting 'stuff' will be spread far and wide for a large number of people. Much of it will be covered up of course.
Knock knock. Kevin here from HM Custard and Revenoo. Anyfink to declare Mush?
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"while a relative of a victim said finding some of the haul could actually make things worse for those affected, as it could delay insurance pay-outs"
Well, that and perhaps what's recovered won't completely tally with what was reported as lost and claimed for.
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Perhaps the robbers were methodical and tagged the swag with the box numbers.
Otherwise it's just a struggle: 'I'll ave that!' 'No you bleedin won't squire!' etc etc until the end of time.
I used to use Hatton Garden as a back-double in my London days. Never liked the place, useful though it was as a route. Nothing against jewellers or Jews, just didn't like the cut of its jib.
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And in there Sir you've said it all. I totally agree.
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"what's recovered won't completely tally with what was reported as lost and claimed for"
I was burgled a couple of years back and my rucksack with the work laptop was one of the things taken. I duly reported it accurately but colleagues said I should have reported it contained a Macbook Air (or whatever those poncy and massively expensive Apple devices are).
The rucksack was found a few days later with all belongings intact. Glad I was honest...
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Surely if you put in a claim for something you have to provide proof of purchase?
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For normal household stuff/personal effects or low value stuff no I've not had to. High end valuables i would think will be a different process.
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Hmmm yes you are right, there was stuff my wife had bought from eBay which wasn't found (e.g. Radlett (sp?) handbag, c £100) and we had to find receipts. She also had just been paid £200 owed to her by her company from petty cash and the ins co spoke to her co to verify it. She was also keyholder for her co but the ins wouldn't cover the cost of replacement locks for her building, luckily her company just coughed up. Her car was also stolen but found a few days later. What with the excesses etc we worked out that that incident put us out of pocket well in excess of £400 - kind of annoying given we were the innocent party.
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Yes, but someone might claim something was stolen when it was not.
Equally, they might not wish to admit they owned something for fear of having to explain where it came from or how they paid for it.
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>> Yes, but someone might claim something was stolen when it was not.
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>> Equally, they might not wish to admit they owned something for fear of having to
>> explain where it came from or how they paid for it.
there will be a fair amount of stuff recovered that no-one will claim is theirs. After all its probably no catalogued with the box number it came from. And on the same track, you can claim stuff was nicked, but the fact it wasn't recovered means nothing. The thieves are not likely to say "oh yes and there was xxxx we nicked but gave to hatchet harrys granny"
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Stealing other people's stuff or money is despicable and heartless. The thief doesn't know or care what the stuff means to the person who really owns it.
The only possible exception is stealing to feed your starving nippers. But that doesn't need to happen in this country. There are social services.
Thieves are loathsome scum.
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Yes they are. Yet typically so proud of themselves.
In South America, Brasil in particular, They like to represent general thieving as the honourable fight of the poor against the rich. They do not seem to acknowledge the fact that the very poorest of dwellings still have bars on the windows, even if they do not have glass.
Once in my life I managed to catch someone in the act of breaking into a car and stealing the stereo. It was about 1988 in Lee on Solent. It was a most satisfying time.
I'd be a rubbish crook. Aside from thinking it wrong, I get consumed with very obvious guilt walking through customs with 201 cigarettes.
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>> Stealing other people's stuff or money is despicable and heartless. The thief doesn't know or
>> care what the stuff means to the person who really owns it.
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>> The only possible exception is stealing to feed your starving nippers. But that doesn't need
>> to happen in this country. There are social services.
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>> Thieves are loathsome scum.
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Amen to that.
I've known quite a few over the years, and without exception they were all self centred pond life trash.
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>> I've known quite a few over the years, and without exception they were all self
>> centred pond life trash.
I call it "having a bit missing". Not all of them follow a life of crime, there are some in business too, who seem to have no morals at all when it comes to their career management.
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Not all of them follow a life of
>> crime, there are some in business too, who seem to have no morals at all
>> when it comes to their career management.
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You mean like Thomas Cook? :-(
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>>You mean like Thomas Cook?
What did they do wrong?
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>> What did they do wrong?
An inquest jury ruled last week the children had been unlawfully killed and said Thomas Cook "breached its duty of care".
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-32809770
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You need to be careful with a BBC report, its all got a bit sensationalist.
The Hotel said they had no gas heaters, yet they did, and Thomas Cook took their word and thus did none of the safety checks that would have been called for had they thought that such heaters were in place.
TC employees were advised by the Coroner that whilst this was not a trial, anything that they said could be used in a trial and they should bear that in mind. So they did, and answered little. Personally I would have answered nothing.
TC employees were cleared of any criminal wrong-doing by the Greek courts although the Hotel Manager and staff were convicted (for what that is worth).
TC were paid compensation by the hotel.
The "duty of care" comment was, I believe, made by the UK Coroner and argued against in court.
(www.ttgdigital.com/news/corfu-inquest-andy-cooper-defends-thomas-cooks-actions/4696070.article )
UK CPS said there was "insufficient evidence" to prosecute anybody.
Not really an example of "seem to have no morals at all when it comes to their career management", although certainly some incompetence related to managing the company and the situation rather than directly to the failings in this event.
Hardly massive moral or criminal failings, although clearly some improvements to be made in process (supposedly have been made).
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>> What did they do wrong?
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Operated according to the advice of lawyers (it would seem), ignored the impact on families.. and worst of all managed to present themselves as heartless bar stewards who took £3.5M for themselves and abandonned the family.. and announced letter of apology were sent to the family - before the family received them.
Any sensible company would have made an ex gratia payment without prejudice to show they are contrite and caring.
They managed to prove they were neither..
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Yup, pretty much all of that. Serious incompetence without a doubt.
But "seem to have no morals at all when it comes to their career management" ?
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>> there are some in business too, who seem to have no morals at all when it comes to their career management.
You can say that again... I thought of saying it myself, but figured it was something everyone either knew, or would angrily deny. A lot of successful business people are raving psychopaths and nasty with it. Not all I suppose, to be fair.
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>>A lot of successful business people are raving psychopaths and nasty with it
Sometimes immoral and unpleasant, rarely malicious, often incompetent. But "raving psychopaths"? Hardly.
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>> >>A lot of successful business people are raving psychopaths and nasty with it
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>> Sometimes immoral and unpleasant, rarely malicious, often incompetent. But "raving psychopaths"? Hardly.
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I don't know. Fred "the Shred" Goodwin gave a passable imitation of one.
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I suppose 'raving' is a bit hyperbolic. But a cold focus on personal advancement and enrichment and general indifference to the fate of others are psychopathic characteristics widespread in business and corporate life.
It isn't always their fault. Humane well-rounded intelligent individuals are relatively rare in all walks of life, and capitalism is of course a brutalist system. So successful people in that system who manage not to be horrible on some level are quite rare, although they do exist. I have worked for both types in my time.
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I wasn't actually thinking of ruthless captains of industry, though megalomania is probably more common with them than psychopathy.
The psychopaths aren't necessarily successful, they create a lot of enemies and have to move around a lot to get on. They can also be bullies, and lie brazenly, but more often are viperous, work-shedding sneaks. I have a list.
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>> I wasn't actually thinking of ruthless captains of industry
Neither was I. These characteristics trickle down to quite humble employee levels.
It's all capitalism comrade. I have often found 'ambition' on the lower and middle levels a very sad and depressing spectacle as well as a galloping PITA at close quarters.
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>> It's all capitalism comrade. I have often found 'ambition' on the lower and middle levels
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I have no doubt those who rise to the top of Socialist parties and religious organisations are just as big a bunch of ruthless back-stabbing psychos as any captain of industry.
It's human nature at work comrade, you can change the politics but the same types will still claw their way to the top of the greasy pole.
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Up to a point Lord Copper... but the greasy pole can vary quite a lot from one system to another.
I doubt if ambition alone will get you far in a place like North Korea. I just skimmed a bunch of photos of Kim Jong-Un giving 'precious instructions' to military, medics, scientists, everyone down to large groups of schoolchildren. He's the world's greatest polymath apparently, knows everything and then some.
Nippers are honest. When they haven't already burst into tears at the sight of the fat smirking brute and his (generally skinny-looking) grim military entourage, they are clearly doing their best not to.
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Ah yes, big banks being punished by the 'regulators' and made to pay big (to us) but small (to them) fines of just a few million quid... capitalismus hiding its bum behind a fig leaf thing.
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Barclays £2.4 BILLION. That's BILLION. And it was £850 MILLION better than some analyst was predicting.
Those are eye-watering amounts which IMO should cause a business to go under, or at least have a bit of a hard time.
I doubt any bonuses will have been harmed during the making of this money.
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Given that the cost of the banking crisis and financial services crash, in the UK alone, has amounted to between 11% and 13% of GDP I think the banks and, more importantly, their so-called management have escaped lightly. Until the USA starts to home in on the directors.
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Brilliant Matt on this on today's comic. Young Pritchett deserves a knighthood.
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Heh heh... thank you Vx, that's the one.
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Hatton Garden raid - Zero
