Although I rate Sir Len Hutton as a true legend nothing compares to the style and quality of Bradman.
What about Wlifrod Rhodes or Victor Trumper. Great cricketers they may have been but how do you beat a test average of 99.4
Then in modern cricket there is Geoff Boycott. Or Sir Viv Richards. Great cricketers in their own time.
How do you make the judgment.?
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Are you thinking what about W.G Grace.
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Come on forum members give an opinion.
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Ok, here's an opinion. Cricket is quite possibly the most mind numbingly boring so called sport I have ever had the misfortune to encounter.
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How can you find cricket boring. Its a skill like chess. You do not like chess either.
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>> How can you find cricket boring.
I'd sooner watch paint dry.
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I am just trying to make a debate.
Can you kindly explain to me what a troll is.
I have not a clue what you mean. It seems mean spirited what you have said. I enjoy a wide variety of topics that I have an interest in.
Where is your opinion any our great cricketers on this forum post.
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Fluffy, old son, I'm pleased you've joined us and I love a chat about cricket or many other things, but try calming down a bit. Imagine walking into a busy pub - well, a pub anyway - bouncing around like an overexcited great dane, jumping all over the other drinkers and demanding their attention; it's going to wear thin pretty quickly.
Admittedly we're not the best people to teach you social skills, as if we had any we wouldn't be wasting our time on this backwater of the Internet. But try easing off a little, listening to and joining in some of the conversations already in progress and generally not trying to make it all about you. We'll get used to you soon enough and you'll do just fine.
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Your good advice will fall on deaf ears.
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Thanks for your honesty. I will cool it down a bit. Some of the forum posts seem exciting to debate.
As you get to know me you will realise I am just fighting for Britain.
I want what is best for our great country.
Cricket is a public school sport. I went to a Roman Catholic school from the age of 13 to 18.
I played cricket for my school when I was 14 years old.
It is just a game I find exciting to play as well as watch.
Thanks all formal members for your replies from my forum posts. I do appreciate it.
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Ok, I'll bite
Barry Richards and Graeme Pollock.
Didn't get to play many Tests due to the isolation of the time, but their first class records speak for themselves.
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Geoff Boycot. Well thats what he told me to say anyway.
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>> Ok, I'll bite
>> Barry Richards and Graeme Pollock.
>> Didn't get to play many Tests due to the isolation of the time, but their
>> first class records speak for themselves.
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They might have been great cricketers, but the world's best? Like you say they didn't play enough test cricket to judge them. I know BR took the aussies apart when he played against them. I think he would have been a brilliant 20/20 cricketer. Mind you so difficult to judge one against another especially from another era, with things like uncovered pitches.
Best i ever saw actually was lara.
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Lara looked sublime the one time I saw him. Tendulkar, in his last Test innings in England, looked distinctly scratchy and was outplayed by the nightwatchman Mishra, but still cobbled together 91. Both had that ability to make field placings irrelevant, because they could simply hit the ball somewhere else.
But look up George Lohmann, a bowler who produced some extraordinary performances but whose career and life were cut short by WW1.
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I'm afraid I find cricket as tedious as Runfer does. One morning, however, I switched on the TV to find it was on a cricket channel. A bowler was rubbing the ball on his trousers as they do. Before I could reach the channel button, he had bowled and got the batsman out. I really enjoyed that, but wasn't expecting what happened next. He got someone out with each of the remaining five balls of the over. That was absolute magic! Sadly it didn't last.
At school I was hopeless at ball games and survived cricket by always placing myself where the ball wasn't. One day, when I was fielding, the strategy failed. I have a vivid memory of looking into the sun as the ball bore down on me at high speed. Naturally, it went straight through my fingers and hit me right between the legs. Acting casual, in those circumstances, is not easy.
:-)
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The 81 test is one of the greatest dramatic moments in sport, let alone cricket. I remember I was listening to the 4th test on the radio, The Aussies were tonking us. I had to stop and pull over somewhere to listen as Bothams 5 wickets for 1 run in 28 balls unfolded and mentally kicked the aussies in the nuts, scars they still bear to this day.
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But look up George Lohmann, a bowler who produced some extraordinary performances but whose career
>> and life were cut short by WW1.
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Wasn't he victorian era?
Hedley verity is one who's career was fatally shortened by ww2. Otherwise he would be up there with warne and murili.
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Right idea, wrong war! Lohmann died in South Africa in 1901, aged 36. And I think it was the tuberculosis that got him. But he could bowl!
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"... One morning, however, I switched on the TV to find it was on a cricket channel. A bowler was rubbing the ball on his trousers as they do. Before I could reach the channel button, he had bowled and got the batsman out. I really enjoyed that, but wasn't expecting what happened next. He got someone out with each of the remaining five balls of the over..."
Is my memory playing tricks with that? I thought I might find it on YouTube, but failed.
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Don't think anyone in top-level cricket has ever managed more than four in successive balls.
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Its happened in T20 I think
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>> Don't think anyone in top-level cricket has ever managed more than four in successive balls.
They must have been edited highlights then. My disappointment is similar to when I finally realised I'd been watching that version of Formula One.
:-)
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Au contraire...
Four wickets in four balls is a rarer achievement, first done by Joseph Wells (father of science fiction author H. G. Wells) for Kent against Sussex in 1862. Alan Walker, for Nottinghamshire in 1956, uniquely took the last wicket of Leicestershire's first innings, and a hat-trick with the first three balls of their second innings. Bob Crisp is the only player to take four wickets in four balls on two occasions.
I'll get my anorak...
Oh, I have had the distinct pleasure of watching Gibbs, Fleming and Kallis make double-tons at Newlands.
For reasons reported here, I missed out on the recent Stokes and Amla double-tons.
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The 4-in-4 I remember is Shaun Pollock at Edgbaston in his first season at Warwickshire. I think it was 1995, which would make it the year after Lara made his 501* there. Good period to be a Midlander.
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Aaah, Shaun!
Top boy - I've met him on a number of occasions!
Classic Shaun comment during the New Year Test, when Stokes and Bairstow were whacking it all over the parish...
"A victory for gingers everywhere!"
Cue hysterics in the commentary box
and YES!
Shaun Pollock, the South African fast bowler made a phenomenal start to his career with Warwickshire yesterday. In his fourth over, he dismissed four Leicestershire batsmen with successive balls reducing them to 9 for 5. In his 10 overs which he bowled straight off, Pollock took 6 for 21. 26/4/96
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>> Is my memory playing tricks with that? I thought I might find it on YouTube,
>> but failed.
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when did you think it happened?
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Andy Caddick's effort against the WI at headingly in about 2000 springs to mind.
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>> Andy Caddick's effort against the WI at headingly in about 2000 springs to mind.
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Yes, that could have been it:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wd-HU7dSYeQ
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Yes, that could have been it:
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>> www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wd-HU7dSYeQ
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I remember watching that, I think it was that the first time we'd beaten them in quite a while.
That year was a big turnaround from the horrors of the 90s.
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>> >> Andy Caddick's effort against the WI at headingly in about 2000 springs to mind.
I read that as the Women's Institute, bit of a double take there.
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Oh yes. He ate all the cakes at the tea interval.
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>> Oh yes. He ate all the cakes at the tea interval.
One of the classic sledging comments....
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>> Oh yes. He ate all the cakes at the tea interval.
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I think you will find that was Mike Gatting.
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What about Sir Garfeld Sobers a collosal all rounder
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>> What about Sir Garfeld Sobers a collosal all rounder
He must have eaten even more cakes than Mike Gatting.
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Sooty, we'll never know, will we?
That was the damning thing about isolation - and may I just add that I was all for it! - because a generation of cricketers, footballers, athletes and rugby types of all colours never got to test themselves against the rest.
Richards' record in county and other first class cricket speaks for itself.
And during that period of isolation, chaps like Gary Player and Jody Scheckter did rather well in their respective sports.
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My favourite cricketer is Chris Tavaré. Because it always got my cricket-loving mates wound up just to mention his name. Along with telling them the French invented the game.
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His spirit walks again in the body of Nick Compton. Just needs the moustache.
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Excellent, thanks. A new stick with which to prod the cricketists.
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I'm no cricket expert, I'll say up front, and I haven't followed it closely for many years.
Hard to compare those who played in different eras, batsmen with bowlers, and specialists with all rounders. Some are revered for style, others for sheer guts or in 'Sir' Geoffrey Boycott's case, mule like immovability.
As a keener follower of Yorkshire cricket when much younger, I admired both Boycott and Close. But no cricketer ever made the same impression on me as Botham, an incredible all rounder in his pomp. Remembered most often of course for the Headingley ashes match of 1981 - shame that Bob Willis couldn't share man of the match for that, without his career-best 8-43 the match would still have been lost.
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I am thinking of Jack Hobbs. He scored 197 first class centuries.
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"Is Bradman the worlds greatest cricketer?"
Nope - he's dead.:-)
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Let's keep 80s music for another thread.
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W.G Grace must be turning in his grave. He started playing cricket in 1864. He died in 1916.
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Bradmans cricket career was between 1928 to 1948. The trouble was W.W.2 interfered with Bradmans career. He scored 117 first class centuries at an average of around 95%. The statistics are in WISDEN CRICKETERS ALMANACK.
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>> Let's keep 80s music for another thread.
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Please don't give him ideas!
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>> Please don't give him ideas!
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Discuss.
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I enjoy my sleep.
I sometimes have an afternoon nap.
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Looks a good game cricket is it similar to baseball?
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>> Looks a good game cricket is it similar to baseball?
Yes, in that neither is played in clogs:)
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>> Looks a good game cricket is it similar to baseball?
Only very superficially Dutchie.
Although I didn't like being made to play it, cricket is a far more complex game than baseball, and more dangerous too I think. It's also often a very long game, a proper cricket match can easily last two or three days.
One big difference is that a cricket bat has a flat side, giving the batsman the ability to hit the ball wherever he wants (if he has the skill). Not so easy with a baseball bat which has a round cross-section and can send the ball anywhere. It has most value as an intruder deterrent being hard and heavy.
:o}
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Thanks A.C funny about the clogs.:)
I have a small baseball bat bought in Spain.Never used it in anger.
Is the cricket ball made of wood? I wouldn't like to be hit by one.
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>> I wouldn't like to be hit by one...
Trust me Dutchie, you would if you'd been forced to stand watching the dreary proceedings for any length of time. It would be a merciful release in fact.
;-)
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More of a game for players than watching it you mean.
It is strange the similarity of some games.I used to play handball and Rugby League. Hand ball you can't tackle.Rugby Leage the amateur game is a free for all.
It's a shame Rugby League on the top level is not played in Holland.Some. of my mates would have been really good players.
Maybe that rubbed off on the original South African Springboks they where good.
Now Tiddly winks is about my level.
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>> Is the cricket ball made of wood? I wouldn't like to be hit by one.
No, it has quite a complex internal structure but I don't know the details. It certainly is quite hard though, although not as heavy as a hockey ball which is the same sort of thing, slightly bigger.
You wouldn't want to be hit in the face or head by one travelling fast. Deaths are rare but not unknown.
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>> >> Is the cricket ball made of wood? I wouldn't like to be hit by
>> one.
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>> No, it has quite a complex internal structure but I don't know the details.
Cork centre iirc.
I remember getting hit by one in the nets, I thought he'd hit past me so took no avoiding action, whilst think that it clocked me right in the ribs. Never been so winded in my life, went down like a sack of spuds.
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Cork centre...
Correct. Wound tightly with string and covered in dyed, polished and lacquered leather. A new one is a thing of beauty; nothing in sport to touch it.
I remember getting hit by one in the nets...
Nasty. Vowel confusion is the least of your worries.
}8---O
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>> I remember getting hit by one in the nets...
>> Nasty. Vowel confusion is the least of your worries.
>> }8---O
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Que?
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>> Cork centre iirc.
Yes, but the cork is wrapped in a lot of stringy stuff, not rubber I think but something a bit flexible. Then there's the leather outside with rows of sewing round the seam.
Bowlers have been criticized or penalized for raising the edge of the seam with their fingernails to make the ball grip the ground and bounce the way the bowler wants. Bowlers also polish one side of the ball making a red mark on their crotches and roughen the other side by scratching it, changing the ball's aerodynamics and making it curve in the air.
Only very skilled players can do that sort of thing. You don't see much of it in schoolboy crisket.
WDB is right, a new ball is a beautiful object. Before they were banned, metal bats used to bruise the ball terribly making flat places on it.
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>> Bowlers have been criticized or penalized for raising the edge of the seam with their
>> fingernails to make the ball grip the ground and bounce the way the bowler wants.
Athers springs to mind. There was a thought that eating sugary sweets made the saliva change enough to effect the ball. A bit of TiC as well I think. Happened in one of the ashes.
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Before they were banned, metal
>> bats used to bruise the ball terribly making flat places on it.
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A new one on me, never heard of metal bats in cricket.
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Perhaps I'm wrong, but I seem to remember aluminium bats appearing, then disappearing almost immediately.
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>> Perhaps I'm wrong, but I seem to remember aluminium bats appearing, then disappearing almost immediately.
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might have been the packer era?
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That must have been exciting ( or not )
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I enjoy it yes, don't get to watch as much as I'd like but ho hum.
Anyway shouldn't you bicycling around a forest with your fellow bicyclists? Or as someone from the frozen north perhaps playing chase the haggis?
;-)
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>>playing chase the haggis?
They're out of season. They have to let them repopulate after Burns' night. Been a shortage of anti-clockwise ones this year. The larger ( less flavoursome ) clockwise ones kill them for territory you know. Bit like grey squirrels.
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>> >>playing chase the haggis?
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>> They're out of season.
That's awfully unfortunate, you'll have to find something else to pass the time I suppose.
;-)
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Dennis Lillee of Australia once used a (sponsored) aluminium bat as a publicity stunt, I think at Melbourne in 1977. He was prevailed on by the umpires to put it away after the England fielders complained that it was unfairly damaging the ball. It never appeared again and the 1980 revision of the Laws introduced a requirement that the bat be made of wood.
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Cheers wdb, forgot about that one.
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This might interest you, Nederlander.....................or not,
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands_national_cricket_team
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>> This might interest you, Nederlander.....................or not,
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>> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands_national_cricket_team
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Ten Doeschate's mum is the manager of the lawn bowling club my father belongs to.
Oh, and in the match against the Netherlands in the group stage of the 2007 Cricket World Cup, Herschelle Gibbs hit six sixes in an over off the bowling of Daan van Bunge becoming the first player in One Day International history to do so.
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van Bunge is a pretty excellent name for a bowler.
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I nominate Chung, the Wolf of Kabul's sidekick in the Rover comic? He wielded a brass bound 'clicky ba' , despatching the enemy by stoving in their skulls with the aforementioned.
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It is interesting Ian thanks for the link.Never knew the Dutch had any interest in Crickett mind you I have not looked it up.
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Bradman is dead sadly. Are there any Australian forum members. What are their opinion?
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They think you're a dick too.
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FM2R please respect my opinion. We do live in a democracy you know.
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Oh don't worry, we had a vote and democratically decided you were a dick.
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