www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-40364632
Good on 'em I say, I have a lot of respect for people who put two fingers up to stupid rules.
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Forty-odd years ago I was required to work around loads of thermionic valves (AC9s for those that know) and the temperature reached 100F. I wore a kaftan, commando style.
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Well done lads ! Had to be done. Ridiculous inflexibility in the uniform rules.
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Ach weel, it's nae that unusual...
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Wasn't allowed to wear long trousers at school until I was 13. No way would I have wanted to wear shorts like the first and second years even if the temperature was in the 90s.
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Having the build of twiglet man I'm not that keen on shorts from an appearance aspect.
While one wouldn't want to wear a heavy woollen outfit in a heatwave there are lighter weight options. No trouble at all in my poly cotton Rohan Bags today or the terylene school trousers I wore in summer 1976.
Last edited by: Bromptonaut on Thu 22 Jun 17 at 22:45
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I agree. Wearing skirts to school, FFS.
Yawn, a protest against school uniform, oh how very novel and independent of them. Same old crap.
Poor little princesses can't wear long trousers on a hot day? What a crock.
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>> Poor little princesses can't wear long trousers on a hot day? What a crock.
Of course they can, but why sit in discomfort when the clothing is there which allows you to avoid that?
Last edited by: VxFan on Fri 23 Jun 17 at 23:51
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Poly cotton :O. Don't let humph see that!! I have to admit, I wore shorts to work at the beginning of the week as I was in and out of the office
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>> Wasn't allowed to wear long trousers at school until I was 13. No way would
>> I have wanted to wear shorts like the first and second years even if the
>> temperature was in the 90s.
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We were not allowed to wear long trousers to school till we started secondary aged 11. We couldn't wait to get into them as it felt so grown up. Now I'm in my sixties I wear shorts from May till at least October and the first week back in longs feels horribly uncomfortable and restrictive.
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I wear shorts all year round, have done for a couple of years now, would feel strange wearing troosers.
I'm strange.
(*_*)
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>> I wear shorts all year round, have done for a couple of years now, would
>> feel strange wearing troosers.
>> I'm strange.
Or a postman?
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One or my irregular postmen wears shorts all year round. Big chap with proper legs, unlike my 65 year-old hairless things.
Another chap I see now and again minus his troosers is a Yodel courier.
Been looking at villas in Crete (on Rightmove) thanks to retpocileh. I'd wear shorts + T shirt + sandals 365 out there.
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>> Ach weel, it's nae that unusual...
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Indeed, I had a kilt as an optional part of my school uniform in the early 60s in Glasgow.
Have to say, being a proper kilt, it was warmer and heavier than the shorts alternative.
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When my son was working in Myanmar, he took to wearing a longyi; he still wears it in hot weather. If you see a bloke wandering about Swanley in a skirt, it could well be him.
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From their uniform policy, this seems pretty scruffy!
>>shirts can be untucked in class but must be tucked in when they leave the classroom.
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I used to wear a sarong in Malaysia, though not to work. It was standard wear for Malay men and women. With the hem folded up and tucked into the waist, the legs were freed for, say, cycling. Untied and held up with the teeth, it provided cover for changing clothes on the beach, then could serve as a towel, drying in no time.
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I wear shorts as often as i can. Much more comfortable than trousers. I wear them all the time when I'm out in the ME, trousers are daft out there.
I've seen bus drivers not allowed to wear shorts in think in the uk (report on the bbc) not sure really why they can't.
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More outrage...
news.sky.com/story/school-bans-girls-from-wearing-skirts-as-it-brings-in-gender-neutral-uniform-11023265
Well WTF did you *think* was going to be the natural result of the pathetic earlier protest?
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Not in the least bit connected. The right to wear shorts in a heat wave has nothing to do with gender, neutral or otherwise.
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>> Not in the least bit connected.
New school year, new uniform policy. Will have happened in loads of other places. I doubt this is either first or last case of trousers for all. This one's caught the headlines in the last day of the 'silly season'.
Looks as though main driver is attempt, working with pupils, to address eternal issue of too short skirts etc.
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Almost as crazy as this....
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-41181269
For heavens sake! The school clearly values a shade of grey more than it values education.
What is more there are tolerances in colour from the same manufacturer as batches change.
More likely the school doesn't want to miss out on commission from their nominated supplier - which I thought was banned.
Probably why they chose grey over black.
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I'm not suggesting we should all be sheep, but why do people always feel the need to challenge these days, and be cynical about things?
Back in the day if a particular colour or style was mandated, my parents wouldn't have dreamed of sending me in something different, thus potentially causing issues and more important embarrassing me.
I expect that you, in your time, have been a conformist, probably wearing a shirt and tie to work like your colleagues. If it was a company uniform, I doubt you would have turned up wearing something different.
Last edited by: smokie on Thu 7 Sep 17 at 11:50
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Imagine 3 kids at the school.
Low income family. Trousers at ASDA £12 each, trousers at specialist supplier, £30 each. Which would you chose, knowing that they are likely to come home with tears in them anyway!?
I actually remember my mum being in tears in the '70s when I was tripped and took the knee out of a pair of school trousers. They both worked but seriously had to count every penny. The only place to buy school uniforms was an independent shop and I remember a uniform cost my mum almost a weeks wages!
If the school values its uniforms so highly then it should supply them gratis!
The private school that my daughter went to wasn't so fussy!
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>> If the school values its uniforms so highly then it should supply them gratis!
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exactly, I would expect that most companies who insist on a uniform will supply is to staff, I know of one or two exceptions but most.
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>>The private school that my daughter went to wasn't so fussy!
Both the private schools my children go to, one in Chile and one in the UK, are very strict on uniform.
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"Both the private schools my children go to, one in Chile and one in the UK, are very strict on uniform."
One of my wife's friends is a terrifyingly positive woman who goes into failing schools in rough areas and turns them around; there was an article about her some years ago in the TES. The first action that she takes in a bad school is to reinstate a strict uniform policy.
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Personally I agree with uniform. Whilst not perfect it does a great deal towards levelling the playing field.
At times it may be expensive, but it is nothing like as much as the latest designed trainers.
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>>it does a great deal towards levelling the playing field<<
Not quite as much as you may think though.
My grammar school had a strict uniform policy which could only be bought from one approved supplier in Peterborough.
My Dad died when I was 11 and my Mum had nursed him for 5 years prior to that so she had to have a grant to get the uniform.
The Blazer alone cost more than the grant was.
Poor kids have uniform that is way too big, and keep it until it's way too small.
Other kids see this (or they did then) and taunt you along with the free school meal queue I had to join.
Having said that I agree with a strict uniform policy.
The problem is the parents who seem to support their children in breaking the uniform rules, instead of letting them be taught the first rule of discipline.
How they ever think they will toe the line in their first job I really don't know.
Pat
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Going off thread a bit, why do some people think the good old days were better?
Dad was in Peterborough hospital for 6 weeks before he died and as I was only 11, I wasn't allowed to go and visit him at all.
There was a lovely nurse though that offered to push him up to a balcony that could be seen from the road, where my Mum took me (dressed in my brand new school uniform) to wave to him 2 days before he died. She said he was so proud of me.
I was a Daddy's girl. He was a gardener by trade and until he was taken ill when I was 6 I always helped in the garden at the 'big house' where we lived in a tied cottage. I used to sit with him in 'his' greenhouse and help fill pots. I often sit in my greenhouse now and remember those times.
I never had a doll, never wanted one but I had a tool kit...and my very own tool box too.
Thank goodness things have moved on since those days and children are allowed to spend time with parents in hospital now.
After he died he was brought home to await the funeral in the 'front room' where I spent hours with him, talking to him and rolled him one last fag to pop in his coffin with him.
Mum never knew I did that for him when he was too ill to do it himself, it was our secret!
Pat
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Much of what you say is true, and in any case designer trainers didn't exist in my day. And as you say, the too big / too small did attract attention. I never got ripped on for the free dinner tickets though.
However, I do know what I pay for the girls' uniform, particularly in the UK. And whilst it is often expensive, its still less than the designer s*** the kids seem to want the days (not mine, fortunately). Though you want to see the price of Muay Thai gloves which I just had to buy, FFS, so I cannot imagine what it would cost me if they did like designer clothes.
Also, not having to choose clothes for every day is good.
And aside from whether or not one likes and supports school uniform, I absolutely agree on parents who support their children in breaking the rules. What is that about? Idiots.
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>> And aside from whether or not one likes and supports school uniform, I absolutely agree
>> on parents who support their children in breaking the rules. What is that about? Idiots.
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A lot of parents, especially of mid teens children, totally avoid any form of confrontation with their offspring, especially in terms of school, homework etc.
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My daughter works in the pre-school arena. She says a lot of parents expect the teachers to do everything for their children. Like potty training, teaching to dress, teaching to feed, basic manners, the lot. It isn't uncommon for little 'uns to come to nursery without those skills. And she works in supposedly "posh" parts of the country (around the Chalfonts in Bucks)!!
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>> - which I thought was banned.
I thought that too but it maybe yet another area where Academies follow laxer rules than Local Authority maintained schools.
Guidance from DFE* suggests school is being over zealous by some margin. Overbearing self confidence seems though to be almost a requirement for the current day Head.
*www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/514978/School_Uniform_Guidance.pdf
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>>The first action that she takes in a bad school is to reinstate a strict uniform policy.
There is a difference between a strict policy and sending kids home because of the wrong shade of grey.
What happens:
1. When they are washed 30 times and are a different shade to the others.
2. What happens when the manufacture uses a different batch of material which is a different shade - but to specification, especially after the uniform has been in use for 5 years and they have gone through several runs of the material.
This stinks of being a money making exercise. Black would have been more sensible but then they couldn't restrict where the uniform was purchased from.
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I wouldn't mind seeing Pat in a school uniform ! Then again, maybe I'm a bit kinky that way !
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Old fashion stockings always look nice on Lady's.Just a bit of bare leg showing.>;)
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I agree zippy I think there's a difference between sending them to school in anything and a slightly different colour of trousers. I think your right on the restrictions of where you can buy them as well. When me and my brother went to school all uniforms had to be bought from a certain shop, no one sold it but them. After enough parents complained they relented and allowed it to be bought from other shops at around a third to half the price.
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We never wore a uniform when we where at school.Is it a British thing?
I must admit it looks smart but a bit regimental.Maybe that is why so many children rebel and leave with no or little education just a thought.
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I'm not sure you can attribute lack of education to school uniform.
We had our teacher friends over this weekend, they teach in primary schools. They said that we would probably be impressed with some of the maths which primary school children are taught, but then they go onto secondary school where any intelligence and desire to learn is knocked out of them.
Here are the 2017 maths papers. They do appear reasonably easy but then I'm not 11.
tinyurl.com/y76altjj
tinyurl.com/y7x729xm
tinyurl.com/y9boxoxb
I certainly don't remember doing the reasoning stuff by age 11, though SWMBO says she did logarithms at primary school.
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Boys in skirts - Pat
