We are constantly nagged by our government about personal weight, diabetes and blood pressure but a pensions newsletter tells me that 32% of the French population are overweight, 15% obese. There are 7 times as many people under diabetes treatment than the world average, and 3.6 times are treated for high blood pressure. (Criteria are not given.)
It looks as if the French have no taken to the Mediterranean diet to any great extent.
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>> It looks as if the French have no taken to the Mediterranean diet to any
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Perhaps only about 10-15% ish of the French live anywhere near the Med - there are probably as many Brits on the Costa del Sol ;-) though their main diet is San Miguel and rioja ...
I find that I can lose weight though it goes proportionally all over so I retain the paunch etc
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My wife decided, just over 12 months ago, that she needed to lose weight.
She joined Weight Watchers and perforce I had to follow the diets.
She lost just over 4 stone, going from a waddly size 20 to a decent, for her age, size 14. (Wardrobe purchases necessary, worse luck)
I lost about 3.5 stone and can now get into an M & S suit which I've toted around for at least 16 years, mostly unworn and in a suit protector, so in good nick. I wore it recently to my brother-in-law's funeral, our Grand-children's speech day and just this week, to a posh restaurant (Hassp Hall, q.v.) for my wife's 80th. birthday, so getting use out of it last!
Her walking is much better: as far as I'm concerned, I feel no different - I still don't like physical activity.
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Perforce
www.dictionary.com/browse/perforce
i didn't know that was even a word.
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I hate feeling unfit. If I'm not away overnight, I swim a minimum of 1000m pretty much every night, and weather permitting, the dog and I do a three mile brisk walk most evenings. At the weekend we also try to have at least half a day mountain biking.
If I have to go away on a business trip, or if I'm back too late to swim or walk, I start to feel turgid and discontent after any more than 48 hours without excercise of some kind.
Never on a diet though, I eat and drink what I want when I want, but just make sure I move enough to offset the intake.
My working life involves a lot of driving which is not good for posture or aerobic fitness, and I just need to counter that with some regular movement or I more or less seize up.
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>>My working life involves a lot of driving which is not good for posture or aerobic fitness
Some of the most unfit guys I do medicals for are professional drivers
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There will be others who know more about these things than I do, but I believe some truck drivers are not allowed to leave their vehicles unattended for longer than it takes to use a loo, and so can't even so much as go for a bit of a walk when they've stopped for the night. Couple that with roadside cafe food and sitting for hours on end, and poor fitness must be a hazard of the job I guess.
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18 months ago I was a stout 15.5 stone blob! - I was in 36in waist trousers with the belt on the last hole, not to hold them up, but to stop the waistband rolling over! - now im in 32in waist jeans and without a belt they drop around my ankles!! - do I miss the 5.5 stone I've shed? yep, I don't half feel the cold now but at least I can get my own socks on!
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The French, especially the women, have become noticeably fatter in the last five years of the 15 we have lived here. Says an interested observer.
It's not a great suprise - you should see the queues at McDonalds and the rubbish which which they fill their supermarket trolleys.
I wouldn't take too much notice of French medical statistics, though. The national disease is hypochondria. Our family doctor - a man so laid back he still owns the 2CV he bought as a student and which has the word ZEN in large letters across the back - complained to SWMBO the other day that the situation means he is run almost off his feet.
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>> The national disease is
>> hypochondria. Our family doctor - a man so laid back he still owns the 2CV
>> he bought as a student and which has the word ZEN in large letters across
>> the back - complained to SWMBO the other day that the situation means he is
>> run almost off his feet.
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Hypochondria is a terrible affliction, something I've suffered with all my life. One soldiers on, however.
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I am currently in France on holiday and I can affirm that Mike Hannon's comments are spot-on. Plenty of lardy people around the pool and down the beach.
McDonalds seems to be everywhere; shiny new premises on every shopping centre and suburban centres commerciaux.
Mind you, some of the French cheeses and sausages are to die for... alas quite literally it would seem!
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I flew home from Dalaman on Monday... after ten days of healthy food on the gulet, the airport food outlets were disgusting. The usual fast food suspects of which there were several, all with queues. Fortunately after a healthy breakfast, an apple and a litre of water kept me going until I got home.
Dinner was a few pints in my local. Beer is my downfall.
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That's what they would like you to believe Humph:)
To comply with the law, their daily rest has to be under the rule that 'a driver may freely dispose of his time'
In other words, dodgy bosses can't force you to look after the vehicle overnight and if you want to book into digs, or go for a swim, you can.
Pat
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Slight thread drift but I hope Pat can help with this..(related to lorries stopping).
Came home yesterday from a week in Wales, got off of the M4 to go around the M25 to Westerham, hit the junction at about 5pm and got trapped in the mother of all jams, took me 2.5 hours to clear and get home (no idea what caused it BUT when we passed the 'incident' spot there were three undercover police cars there which sped of at high speed).
Anyhow, we passed loads of HGVs, many UK but most were Euro registered, things was that just after the jam cleared a good few of them were all parked up on the hard-shoulder (some even on the chevrons dividing the slip roads), we don't think they were broken down.
Our guess was that they had reached their driving time limit? but is it usual for them to 'just' stop wherever they are?
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That's a hard one Rudedog!
Your guess was correct but it's a situation for them where they can't really win.
It's illegal to stop where you've seen them on the hard shoulder, but usually worth the risk of being caught in that situation for the 45 minutes break required.
The law states that after an unexpected delay a driver should 'stop at the next available stopping place' and take the delayed rest period.
On the M25 or any motorway that will be the next services. If you come off at the next junction to look for a layby, most will be full of drivers who have done the same thing.
Mostly, Plod or DVSA will overlook the parking on the hard shoulder in those circumstances.
The problem is that the tachograph records an infringement and that will stay on the vehicle head unit for up to a year. If a check is made by DVSA or the Police it will show up retrospectively, and the driver can be prosecuted for it.
Rock and a hard place really.
Pat
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>> Some of the most unfit guys I do medicals for are professional drivers
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I can well believe it; and it has to be said that one of the main reasons is that the job is in a way too easy. The most physical job a modern lorry driver has to do is pull back the side curtains.
Mechanical handling has largely replaced manual as a means of loading and unloading vehicles, the traditional flatbed loads with their roping and sheeting have been consigned to history by a combination of modern methods and the ridiculously over-zealous attitudes of the DVSA towards load security. Modern HGV's have automatic gearboxes by default, so no more manual gear-shifting and double de-clutching; hardly exercise you might think but still preferable, from a medical point of view, to simply sitting on your backside.
Added to this, the increasing incidence of in-cab surveillance such as telemetry, GPS tracking and cameras, combined with the 24/7/365 nature of modern transport operations can in some cases add to mental stress levels for drivers, with shift patterns commonly in place which many office workers would recoil in horror from uf it was ever suggested they might work them.
It's no wonder we're unfit; I'm quite lucky in my particular niche as I tend to be working in a farm environment which involves quite a bit of physical activity; but I have noticed that since our lorry-mounted forklifts have become virtually compulsory, I've slowly but surely lost physical condition.
The only saving grace is that most if not all of the bus drivers I know are in even worse shape.
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We recovery drivers used to have physical labour before the advent of slide-backs and power winching.
I started up my own business after the firm I was with went bust ( anyone remember Eagle car Recovery in Hanwell ?). I had a Bateson 3 ton trailer, quite high as the bed was over the wheels. A big hand winch was fitted. You needed arms like Popeye to winch a Silver Shadow on...one of my customers in North Manchester specialised in their care and owners wanted them collected !.
Later I built a flatbed transporter on a MK 2 Transit and fitted a power winch with a remote control...Luxury ! Another bonus..it wouldn't take a Shadow !
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>>She lost just over 4 stone ... I lost about 3.5 stone
Very well done indeed! You need to be vigilant now as most people tend to backslide after a loss in weight.
I used Weight Watchers once and concluded that their formula worked because it was so incredibly boring that I rushed to lose weight, so as to get the sessions over with.
Incidentally, our Burmese cat put on weight and had to attend the fat club offered by our vet. He did well, and got a certificate to prove it.
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Eat less, move more. It's really that simple.
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With the overrider that as you get older it can become harder to move that much more so you need to eat and drink even less.
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the mechanics of it are simple but there is a whole industry out there making food more attractive and another one making sitting still more interesting.
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My next door neighbour is overweight. He complains that he can't shake it off and doesn't have time to excercise. His office is just over a mile from where we live, a pleasant 15 minute walk across a park and the local town.
He drives.
;-)
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>> My next door neighbour is overweight. He complains that he can't shake it off and
>> doesn't have time to excercise. His office is just over a mile from where we
>> live, a pleasant 15 minute walk across a park and the local town.
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What does he have to carry from home to work or work to home?
My wife & daughter both teach at schools less than a mile from home but the volumes of marking etc, both for primary & secondary teaching are such that both drive to and from school, although when our 2 younger children were attending the same secondary school my wife teaches at, they walked there and back again.
I have never lived within walking distance of work.
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>>but the volume of markings
Tell them to get a wheeled bag and start walking!!
www.argos.co.uk/product/2827676
Incidentally, I work near a court and it never fails to astonish me the amount of lawyers etc you see driving up and then carrying bundles of notes either tied up, or a band round them or whatever.
Is it "wot u do when you're in the trade" ??
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>> Tell them to get a wheeled bag and start walking!!
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mind your own **** business :-)
they are already doing unpaid overtime
why should they add joint problems etc just to please the self righteous?
we live in a small town, pollution is not an issue, they are in school most days from before 8 to after 5 then marking for a couple of hours many nights.
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>>ncidentally, our Burmese cat put on weight and had to attend the fat club offered by our vet. He did well, and got a certificate to prove it.<<
just out of interest, you understand, what did the vet charge you for that?
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>> just out of interest, you understand, what did the vet charge you for that?
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....you trying to ascertain whether a vet would be cheaper than your doctor?
;-)
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I'm not fat. Neither are my cats.
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>>what did the vet charge you for that? >> [fat cat club]
Nothing. It is a scheme sponsored by Royal Canin, makers of cat and dog food.
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>>...... to a posh restaurant (Hassp Hall, q.v.) (sic)
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...how is Hassop nowadays, Roger?
I was a regular visitor for both business and pleasure from the mid 80s for quite a few years.
It was always a good experience (wouldn't have been used regularly otherwise), even though the place exuded a certain air of faded elegance. An excellent setting, gigantic bedrooms you could play a game of football in, and hot and cold running chambermaids to bring breakfast to your room in the morning!
The food was always good when we were there, but more contemporary reports have been less encouraging (My butcher, of all people, was also a regular visitor for some time family celebrations, and, having recommended it to friends, got disappointing reports back. He seems to think, however, that things have now improved again).
Tom Chapman (Senior, now sadly no longer with us) was an admirable, if sometimes mildly-eccentric host. Two examples of how to retain business occur to me now.
On one occasion, we'd seriously miscalculated the mix of red and white on the table for a medium-sized party. Partway through the meal, unasked, two opened but untouched bottles of white were whisked away, and replaced by the red. There being no effect on the final bill, an enquiry elicited the response "they went to the kitchen for cooking".
On an early occasion, we were making fun of the fact that there was a Lebanese wine on the wine-list. Without saying a word, and again unasked (and uncharged) Tom quietly delivered an opened and decanted bottle to the table. It rather killed off any amusement, and that's how I got to know about and like Chateau Musar (which was significantly less known-about then than it is now).
IMO, the best place to eat in the area is probably Fischers, at Baslow Hall, but it is more enjoyable if you're not picking up the tab!
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Several years ago I would eat at the Design House in Dean Clough Mills, Halifax, probably once or twice a year, but apart from the odd restaurant in Spain, I don't think I've eaten in a restaurant for at least 6 years. Plenty of curries, Jacks Place for fish n chips ( still £4.80 for F & C, B & B, pot of tea) and pub grub twice a year.
At my local, the Harts Head in Giggleswick, before the new owners messed it up big time for us regulars, we used to have a Christmas meal with all the trimmings around midsummers day. Turkey, Xmas pudding, decorations, even a Xmas tree, and Father Xmas costumes were de rigour.
A few weeks before Xmas we had a summer BBQ. Shorts, flip flops, Hawaiian shirts.
Visitors thought it slightly odd
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>> >> Jacks Place for fish n chips ( still £4.80 for F & C, B &
>> B, pot of tea)
Where is Jacks Place?
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Jacks Place ( Fisheries) is at Xflatts, just outside Bingley BD16 2BW
The £4.80 deal only includes a small portion of chips though. Free tea pot refills. And mushy peas 50p extra.open 11:30>13:15 & 16:30>21:00 excluding Saturday nights and Closed all day Sunday. Only 12 covers in the 'restaurant' bit.
Decent value for money
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>> Jacks Place ( Fisheries) is at Xflatts, just outside Bingley BD16 2BW
Bingley five rise?
Thank you.
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>> >>...... to a posh restaurant (Hassp Hall, q.v.) (sic)
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>> ...how is Hassop nowadays, Roger?
Like the (sic).
Spotted too late to edit :-)
Hassop Hall restaurant served up a truly delicious lunch.
The meal was a present for Deidre's 80th. birthday, from her sister and brother-in-law.
At around £28 each for a three course meal, I would not have liked to pick up the tab for the four of us. (The crème brulee was utterly outstanding, by the way!)
Service was immaculate, including pre-lunch drinks brought to us , seated in comfy seats, in the lounge area.
The mark-up on the wine was a bit eye-watering, as a modest Chilean red, priced at around £25, could be bought on-line for under a tenner, retail.
Mind you, looking at the surroundings, one can appreciate the cost of keeping up the standards in a building of such age, so I suppose that counts for quite a bit.
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>>At around £28 each for a three course meal, I would not have liked to pick up the tab for the four of us. (The crème brulee was utterly outstanding, by the way!)
Service was immaculate, including pre-lunch drinks brought to us , seated in comfy seats, in the lounge area.
The mark-up on the wine was a bit eye-watering, as a modest Chilean red, priced at around £25, could be bought on-line for under a tenner, retail.<<
I would consider that pretty reasonable for a good three course meal with wine.
Pat
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That doesn't include the drinks, and plenty of nice places have £20 lunch deals.
www.hassophallhotel.co.uk/restaurants_and_bars_lunch.php
We wouldn't normally spend that on lunch, even on holiday. OK for an "outing" or a treat, especially if it isn't reheated Brake's like some "gastropubs".
Dinner is £41 for two courses. Probably about the limit for Bakewell. There's a grand little cafe in the market hall where a cup of tea and a cheese and onion toastie is about £4.50.
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I would happily pay a premium to find this on the menu!
>>Important Note: For the comfort of guests, with respect we ask guardians of children
to keep them in sight at all times in and around these premises<<
Pat
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>> >>Important Note: For the comfort of guests, with respect we ask guardians of children
>> to keep them in sight at all times in and around these premises<<
Pat I find it slightly shocking that a note like that should be needed
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>> Pat I find it slightly shocking that a note like that should be needed
Experience suggests you shouldn't be shocked. From the age of reason, my brother and I were required to sit up to a table, stay there, use a knife and fork properly and to be polite to the staff - not that we ever went anywhere as grand as Hassop Hall.
Believe it or not we considered it fun. Probably because our parents were paying attention to us.
That still happens, but just as commonly adults are happy for their children to run about annoying people and getting in the way.
I tried hard to keep a straight face recently in a Harvester type place when the waitress came to ask whether she could bring us any drinks while we looked at a menu. "I want orange juice please" piped the 2.5 year old granddaughter instantly. Good girl.
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I agree, but so often it is needed.
It's my pet hate, but not because of the children, because of bad parenting.
When I was away all week and sleeping overnight in the cab I used to park on the motorway service areas often after doing a long, hard 15 hour day.
I would complete my paperwork, timesheet, check my load was secure then go and get a hard earned shower if one was available (often not).
Around 18 hours from starting work I would end up in the restaurant looking for a meal and get a self served plate of lukewarm, unappetising food.
Being tired out I would take it to the furthest table away from everyone in the dining area but inevitable a couple would be sat at a table talking while their two children ran around my table while I was trying to eat.
On one particular bad day I went and asked the couple just why they let them do it.
The reply, 'Well they need to let off steam and they're not hurting anyone, are they'
Pat
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I would consider that pretty reasonable for a good three course meal with wine.
Its a little on the high side for me on a lunch menu i think.
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The mark-up on the wine was a bit eye-watering, as a modest Chilean red, priced
>> at around £25, could be bought on-line for under a tenner, retail.
Nothing eye watering about it. I'd say triple is about par for the mark up on wine in restaurants, probably more in plenty of cases.
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I'd be reluctant to fork out £25 for a modest bottle of red wine. £16 to £18 would seem more reasonable.
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House Red for me all the time.
I like red wine but although my dad has brainwashed me into liking Chateauneuf, Amarone and the like, my tastes are much cheaper.
If buying in supermarket a Nottage Hill is usually bought.
Aldi used to do a good boxed Merlot but sadly they dropped it from Range.
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>>The mark-up on the wine was a bit eye-watering, as a modest Chilean red, priced at around
>>£25, could be bought on-line for under a tenner, retail.
Bargain.
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When eating out you are paying between 50 and 95% of the price for the environment, the service and the experience ...
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What you are paying for is overheads. What you hope to get in return is pleasant surroundings, good service, good food and an all round good experience but that doesn't always happen. I wouldn't go to a lot of places if they were free.
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>> What you are paying for is overheads. >>
Yes but the overheads might be quite a small proportion of the bill, it's all about establishing a reputation and therefore an expectation and consistently meeting, or exceeding, that expectation.
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>> >> What you are paying for is overheads. >>
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>> Yes but the overheads might be quite a small proportion of the bill, it's all
>> about establishing a reputation and therefore an expectation and consistently meeting, or exceeding, that expectation.
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The overheads* are a significant a part of reputation and expectation.
*Lets say costs it makes it easier to explain. The cost of sourcing, preparing, cooking, presenting good food is significantly higher than a "heat it up" Brakes experience. The cost of serving the food in the best way possible in soundings that match the food is not cheap either. Its not just fixed costs, or "overheads"
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At least 50% overheads typically I should think, even if food cost and cook's time is excluded.
Overheads are the expenses that are there whether you turn up or not. That is most of them. The gross margin on food and beverages shouldn't really be less than 60%.
The other side of that coin is that at least half of the full meal price will, at the margin, drop straight to the bottom line. That is why it is worthwhile to make half-price/2for1 offers on quiet nights and lunch days. The fact that they still make profit on those meals gives it away.
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>> Overheads are the expenses that are there whether you turn up or not.
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Fixed costs.
Food and drink etc are variable costs.
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>> At least 50% overheads typically I should think, even if food cost and cook's time
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>> Overheads are the expenses that are there whether you turn up or not. That is
>> most of them. The gross margin on food and beverages shouldn't really be less than
>> 60%.
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>> The other side of that coin is that at least half of the full meal
>> price will, at the margin, drop straight to the bottom line. That is why it
>> is worthwhile to make half-price/2for1 offers on quiet nights and lunch days. The fact that
>> they still make profit on those meals gives it away.
I doubt they make sufficient profits on the "free meals" they do however make a load of money on the extra drinks from the extra covers.
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>> *Lets say costs
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It's quite simple the costs are variable and fixed though include premises, staff, advertising, food, drink etc. Not too difficult to work out an average cost per cover, if you are doing your job well the price you charge will be three or four times this, perhaps more, if you are not doing such a good job then your margins will be a lot less.
Rather like the motor trade where there are lots of ways to sell 1.5 tons of steel, aluminium, plastic and rubber, there are also lots of ways to sell 6oz meat a few vegetables and a bottle of wine.
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>> It's quite simple the costs are variable and fixed though include premises, staff, advertising, food,
>> drink etc.
I am aware if that, merely trying to point out that fixed costs are not the only costs, and that prep chef and present for fine dining are much more labour intensive and hence expensive than cook chill.
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Presentation is important if you pay expensive for a nice meal.The surroundings and the way you are treated as a customer.
One of my favorites meals used to be rijstafel.A Indonesian dish served on different small plates.
But I have had small meals two for a tenner pensioners favorite and it hasn't been bad.The chef or cook I talked to liked his job.
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We used to enjoy a superb rijstafel on visits to Singapore. It is a blow-out version of Indonesian food, created by Dutch colonialists and similar to the heavier Curry Tiffin of the British.There are three London restaurants offering it, Melur, Bali Bali and Nus Dua but we have not tried them.
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I'm staying in a nice hotel on Tenerife and the amount of grossly overweight people is amazing. I'm no 'slim Jim' and I fully appreciate that obesity is not always about overeating and lack of exercise... medical conditions apply.
possibly because there is an 'All inclusive' option that attracts gluttons, the porkies are overly represented. The delicious breakfast options.... cold meats, cheeses, tomatoes, vast amounts of fresh fruit, are overlooked in favour of piles of fried stuff. The same people feed their faces with chips and suchlike at both lunch and dinner despite the extensive availability of fish, veg, nuts, salad.
No sign of them in the rooftop gym or pool pre breakfast. I'm including all ages here... folks my age and next generation down.
Off for my daily constitutional up Montana Roja, do a bit of plane spotting ( ha) then a few hours swimming in the sea off Playa de La Tejita, one of the best beaches on the island and remarkably uncrowded in low season and midweek. Perfectly acceptable to tan my white bits at one end of the beach !
I do wonder what strain this obesity puts on our NHS though
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"I do wonder what strain this obesity puts on our NHS though"
10% of all NHS spending is on diabetes: mainly weight related I believe.
It's easy to keep your weight down: just eat and drink less. Of course in Austerity UK, starvation is prevalent so it must be due to forced overfeeding:-)
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Pedant mode ON.
>> I'm staying in a nice hotel on Tenerife and the amount number - fixed it for you - of grossly overweight people is amazing.
They can be overweight by a large amount, or a large number of lbs., or kg., though!
Pedant mode OFF.
Afterthought - does one need a full stop after common abbreviations such as lbs., or kg.?
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More importantly, when did you start believing in the existence of kilograms, Rog?!
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Only pounds and ounces. None of this foreign stuff.
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Lb is from the Latin "libra" and the oz is form medieval Italian "onzia". You cant escape this foreign stuff.
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>> More importantly, when did you start believing in the existence of kilograms, Rog?!
At grammar school in the 1950s.
We used metric measures in Chemistry and Physics, way back then, you know!
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>>does one need a full stop after common abbreviations such as lbs., or kg.?
Yes, to indicate an abbreviation
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Isn't it still the rule that in English usage you only a full stop after an abbreviation when the last letter of the word is not included in the abbreviation?
thus lb. and oz.
but Mr and Mrs
the added "s" for pounds i.e lbs is not really necessary, lb suffices.
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"Isn't it still the rule that in English usage you only a full stop after an abbreviation when the last letter of the word is not included in the abbreviation?"
I thought the full-stop was optional in cases where the last letter of the full form of the word is part of the abbreviation, but best practice was to omit it.
The operative word in your question is "still". Certainly the rule as explained above is what I was taught and what I taught to my students, but language changes and maybe it's something that is weakening. After all, it would be a simplification to have a full-stop after every abbreviation.
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>> it would be a simplification to have a full-stop after every abbreviation.
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But maybe more modern usage to ignore full stops after common abbreviations. As an IT person for the last 40 years I do not believe we have ever been expected, even in formal client communications, to use full stops after any of the common IT abbreviations such as MB and certainly no full stops in acronyms.
I am much more of an apostrophe, or even a comma, pedant anyway :-)
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"But maybe more modern usage to ignore full stops after common abbreviations."
I agree that acronyms don't seem to get full-stops and they have become such a pervasive aspect of language these days that perhaps a more logical way to go would be to use no full-stops for abbreviations.
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>>I thought the full-stop was optional in cases where the last letter of the full form of the word is
>>part of the abbreviation, but best practice was to omit it.
Better practice, surely?
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"Better practice, surely?"
No. "Best practice" is a well-used phrase to mean "the accepted best way of dealing with something".
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>> >>does one need a full stop after common abbreviations such as lbs., or kg.?
>> Yes, to indicate an abbreviation
Widely used by the military until the 1960s, particularly with abbreviated ranks ie:
Flt.Lt.
Capt.
Sgt.
Act.2nd.Lt.
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>> Pedant mode ON.
>> They can be overweight by a large amount, or a large number of lbs., or
>> kg., though!
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>> Pedant mode OFF.
>> Afterthought - does one need a full stop after common abbreviations such as lbs., or
>> kg.?
More Pedant Mode
The plural of lb is lb, not lbs.
Quote:-
"In scientific publications, units of measurement are never pluralized when abbreviated. This should remain true for general use, as well. You should therefore never write "lbs." You should technically not need a period after "lb" either, unless it's at the end of a sentence."
Additional pedant mode off.
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>>I fully appreciate that obesity is not always
>> about overeating and lack of exercise... medical conditions apply.
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Medical conditions may indeed apply, but I would suggest in only a tiny amount of cases. You only have to look at photographs taken more than a few decades ago to realise that most people had fairly trim figures in comparison to today. Wales has a major problem with obesity, and in certain poorer areas I visit like Milford Haven it is chronic, particularly among females. To see twenty somethings barely able to walk because they are so overweight is both a sad and a disgusting sight.
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Overweight etc. - Hard Cheese
