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New Tue 20 Mar 18 14:33 
 Breaking news - Red Arrow Down - Zero
A red Arrows Hawk is down, Wales I think. No further news yet
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New Tue 20 Mar 18 14:41 
 Breaking news - Red Arrow Down - Bromptonaut
Reported to be Valley with pilot ejecting. Not much more yet.
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New Tue 20 Mar 18 15:06 
 Breaking news - Red Arrow Down - R.P.
Smoke rising from the airfield. NWP, Air Ambulance and Rescue 932 in attendance
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New Tue 20 Mar 18 15:06 
 Breaking news - Red Arrow Down - R.P.
www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/raf-valley-anglesey-crash-plane-14435702

Red 3 according to an enthusiasts' site.
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New Tue 20 Mar 18 15:10 
 Breaking news - Red Arrow Down - R.P.
Red 1 and 2 and some other T2 Hawks have been diverted to RAF Mona. Satellite airfield just down the A5.
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New Tue 20 Mar 18 15:14 
 Breaking news - Red Arrow Down - R.P.
Two on board according to MoD - one parachute seen by a witness at nearby Rhosneigr railway station.
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New Tue 20 Mar 18 15:34 
 Breaking news - Red Arrow Down - BiggerBadderDave
Red 3? That's Wedge Antilles.
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New Tue 20 Mar 18 15:47 
 Breaking news - Red Arrow Down - R.P.
Was. Hahahha. Half a***d local radio has just reported that the plane was based in RAF Scrimpton....ffs./
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New Tue 20 Mar 18 18:43 
 Breaking news - Red Arrow Down - rtj70
Confirmation an RAF engineer died in the incident. Both pilot and engineer ejected but sadly the engineer died.
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New Tue 20 Mar 18 20:49 
 Breaking news - Red Arrow Down - sooty123
BBC reports say an eye witness reports only one person ejected. Sad affair all round.
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New Tue 20 Mar 18 23:26 
 Breaking news - Red Arrow Down - R.P.
There are contradictory things being said locally.
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New Wed 21 Mar 18 09:41 
 Breaking news - Red Arrow Down - movilogo
I have no knowledge of aeronautics (other than school physics)....

But, in the modern era of computer controlled aircrafts, would it be safer for these acrobatics being performed by computers instead of human?

There are aircrafts like F16 which must be flown by computer because they are unstable and human pilots can't fly them.

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New Wed 21 Mar 18 09:49 
 Breaking news - Red Arrow Down - sooty123
Computers aren't there yet to fly such aerobatics, probably one day but not now.
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New Wed 21 Mar 18 10:03 
 Breaking news - Red Arrow Down - Zero
The hawk that crashed is a trainer, so has (by today's fighter aircraft) minimal computer control, so designed to teach the pilots to fly. The aerobatics done by the arrows are not extreme, certainly not outside a normal aeronautical stability envelope, and hence the ability of a human to fly them.

The more extreme modern fighter jets are designed to be aerodynamically unstable, so they are not constrained by the rules of aerodynamics. Only computer control can achieve this
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New Wed 21 Mar 18 10:13 
 Breaking news - Red Arrow Down - sooty123
That version of hawk has got pulleys and control rods for its flying controls. I think the engine will have as well back to the throttle in the cockpit.
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New Wed 16 Oct 19 19:57 
 Breaking news - Red Arrow Down - sooty123

Service inquiry has been made public.


www.gov.uk/government/publications/service-inquiry-into-the-accident-involving-hawk-t-mk1a-xx204-on-20-march-2018
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