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 Iran 'seizes British-flagged oil tanker' - No FM2R
Oh dear, if the report turns out to be accurate then this is *really* not going to go well for anybody.

www.bbc.com/news/uk-49053383
 Iran 'seizes British-flagged oil tanker' - zippy
To be fair, we did "arrest" one of theirs!

 Iran 'seizes British-flagged oil tanker' - R.P.
Beautifully timed. No PM effectively - government in chaos. Let's see how they handle this.
 Iran 'seizes British-flagged oil tanker' - tyrednemotional
...apparently Chris Grayling has been deputed to sort it out.......


I'm off down to the local filling station to fill all 3 vehicles up. ;-)
 Iran 'seizes British-flagged oil tanker' - No FM2R
>> To be fair, we did "arrest" one of theirs!

Not much to do with 'fair' really.

This is bad, whatever the rights or wrongs. And totally mishandled by what is left of the British Government.
 Iran 'seizes British-flagged oil tanker' - zippy
>>The rights and wrongs...

We have certainly been caught with out pants down on this.

The Iranians call us the "Sly Fox" or similar and haven't really forgiven us for our role in carving up their oil industry in the '50s and the attendant coup d'état.

We still owe them about £400m fora battle tank order made by the Shah just before he abdicated and they see us as the closest ally of the USA which doesn't help either.


Given the recent escalation in the area, we should have been escorting our ships through the straights.
 Iran 'seizes British-flagged oil tanker' - R.P.
Weren't the tanks passed on to the British Army
 Iran 'seizes British-flagged oil tanker' - zippy
Apparently its now tankers!

And Donald Trump has offered to help - "Gawd help us!"
 Iran 'seizes British-flagged oil tanker' - tyrednemotional
Don't worry......Chris is on top of it.....

Apparently, he is going to roll back the years and send a Brexiteer-manned gunboat up the Persian Gulf.

Dominic Raab is going to command it (since he knows so much about ports - just remember his detailed knowledge of Dover and Calais).

Chris is a bit short of further Brexiteer volunteers so far, Jacob Rees-Mogg has a note from his nanny, but Mark Francois seems to be up for it.

One fly in the ointment, however, is that we don't have any spare gunboats (he'd send HMS Queen Elizabeth, but it's sprung a leak and has a worrying dearth of planes) so he's going to have to tender for one. Having learnt his lesson, he's going to openly tender, rather than selecting a supplier, despite this genuinely being an "unforeseen event", so, by the end of November we should see Raab and Francois set sail on the Saucy Sue from Walsall, complete with a starting pistol (one between the two).

That should put the fear of god up those Iranians!!

(Alternatively, we could call for EU support and the help of a European Army........Oh, Wait!)
 Iran 'seizes British-flagged oil tanker' - bathtub tom
Could get nasty, remember what happened to the General Belgrano? How deep are those waters?
 Iran 'seizes British-flagged oil tanker' - Kevin
>..by the end of November we should see Raab and Francois set sail on the Saucy Sue from Walsall,

Actually, the MOD have had contingency plans in place for events such as this since the Falklands conflict. The Flagship of the First Sea Lord is already being made ready to sail.
 Iran 'seizes British-flagged oil tanker' - Zero
Is that the new aircraft carrier with a soggy bottom?
 Iran 'seizes British-flagged oil tanker' - Kevin
>Is that the new aircraft carrier with a soggy bottom?

No. She's not the newest ship in the fleet but she's still built of radar absorbing materials and equipped with some impressive armament for close-quarters warfare.

www.hms-victory.com/
 Iran 'seizes British-flagged oil tanker' - sooty123
They've plenty of form for this sort of thing, so it's hardly a surprise. Problem being there isn't enough ships to try and protect the amount of British shipping in that area.
 Iran 'seizes British-flagged oil tanker' - Zero
>> They've plenty of form for this sort of thing, so it's hardly a surprise. Problem
>> being there isn't enough ships to try and protect the amount of British shipping in
>> that area.
>>

Funnily enough there us, if you reintroduce the convoy system, is get three tankers s together, two fast warships, a chopper, and bingo. Or arm the tankers with a few marines each, and a shoulder launched missile. Army wise the Iranians are formidable, navy and air force? It's more like camberwick green local volounteers
 Iran 'seizes British-flagged oil tanker' - sooty123
Funnily enough there us, if you reintroduce the convoy system, is get three tankers s
>> together, two fast warships, a chopper, and bingo. Or arm the tankers with a few
>> marines each, and a shoulder launched missile. Army wise the Iranians are formidable, navy and
>> air force? It's more like camberwick green local volounteers
>>

Very little interest in a convoy system from the companies who own the ships. All stopping and starting and going via all different ports, I'm lead to believe there are 15-20 British registered vessels per day in and around the SoH.

Their airforce is probably the most professional arm of the military.
 Iran 'seizes British-flagged oil tanker' - Zero
Their Airforce if the most principled and less indoctrinated by religious dogma, with not much revolutionary Gard crap, doesn't make it any good tho as they get penalised and purged
 Iran 'seizes British-flagged oil tanker' - Haywain
"........and send a Brexiteer-manned gunboat up the Persian Gulf......"

Seeing as the detained Iranian vessel was suspected of of busting EU sanctions, perhaps it would be more appropriate to send a detachment from our Revolutionary Bremainial Guard.
 Iran 'seizes British-flagged oil tanker' - Duncan
My Google says that Stena Bulk is Swedish - not British.

Does that make a difference?
 Iran 'seizes British-flagged oil tanker' - sooty123
Not particularly.
 Iran 'seizes British-flagged oil tanker' - sherlock47
Swedish owned but sailing under British Flag. Entitled to RN protection I believe.
 Iran 'seizes British-flagged oil tanker' - Zero
>> Swedish owned but sailing under British Flag. Entitled to RN protection I believe.
>>

I think it's called a flag of inconvenience
 Iran 'seizes British-flagged oil tanker' - Robin O'Reliant
>>>>
>> Seeing as the detained Iranian vessel was suspected of of busting EU sanctions, perhaps it
>> would be more appropriate to send a detachment from our Revolutionary Bremainial Guard.
>>

I have some sympathy with the Iranians here. They had their ship seized for breaking EU sanctions against selling oil to Syria, but as they are not members of the EU themselves one could understand them saying EU rules and regulations don't apply to them.
 Iran 'seizes British-flagged oil tanker' - Zero
Err that's what sanctions are. If it was internal it would be a directive
 Iran 'seizes British-flagged oil tanker' - zippy
>> Err that's what sanctions are. If it was internal it would be a directive
>>

Sanctions only apply to the jurisdiction of the countries applying the sanctions. So a country external to the EU does not have to follow or abide by EU sanctions.

The tanker seized in Gibraltar was in UK territory (if it was in Gibraltar or its waters) and therefore was subject to its laws. If it were in international waters I don't think a lot could have been done about it.
 Iran 'seizes British-flagged oil tanker' - Zero
>> >> Err that's what sanctions are. If it was internal it would be a directive
>> >>
>>
>> Sanctions only apply to the jurisdiction of the countries applying the sanctions. So a country
>> external to the EU does not have to follow or abide by EU sanctions.

No you miss the purpose of sanctions. You can pursue and enforce sanctions anywhere you please or are capable of doing so. The iranian tanker could have been intercepted on the high seas. Thats why global electronic sanctions work so well.
Last edited by: Zero on Sat 20 Jul 19 at 17:22
 Iran 'seizes British-flagged oil tanker' - zippy
That's not how my AML / Sanctions training suggests it works. Third party countries do not have to follow the rules of another country with regards sanctions and can continue trading with the subject country should they wish. Goods and transactions that go through the country(ies) imposing the sanctions could be impounded though.

I think that if we held, say a Chinese ship on the high seas because it was delivery goods to Iran, then we would be heading to war.

The USA has sanctions against Cuba. Many other countries trade with Cuba, including the UK. I don't see US forcing ships and planes to divert, but if they entered US airspace or seas, on route then that is a different matter.
 Iran 'seizes British-flagged oil tanker' - Zero
>> The USA has sanctions against Cuba. Many other countries trade with Cuba, including the UK.
>> I don't see US forcing ships and planes to divert, but if they entered US
>> airspace or seas, on route then that is a different matter.

Now you are into "do you have balls to enforce sanctions" not sanctions themselves. This is well beyond your SOX responsibility training.

Take the Iranian Tanker. The sanctions are against Syria, not Iran. It wasnt an EU country trading with them, So the argument that EU sanctions dont apply to non EU countries is not valid. The location just provided an air of legitimacy.

And then there is the arcane law of naval hot pursuit.
Last edited by: Zero on Sat 20 Jul 19 at 18:24
 Iran 'seizes British-flagged oil tanker' - zippy
The sooner we switch to electric cars the sooner we will be able to let this region sort their own problems.
 Iran 'seizes British-flagged oil tanker' - No FM2R
Indeed. One wonders how that region will cope as that reality approaches.

It didn't do to well the last time the price of oil dropped.
 Iran 'seizes British-flagged oil tanker' - Zero
We'll be having trouble where the rare earth minerals and ores are mined to make batteries and motors.
 Iran 'seizes British-flagged oil tanker' - Lygonos
>>We'll be having trouble where the rare earth minerals and ores are mined to make batteries and motors

Nah - African nations are way easier to bribe.
 Iran 'seizes British-flagged oil tanker' - zippy
Forget the batteries.

Put an electric rail in the road or overhead wires and we can either whizz around like Scalextric or like bumper cars.

A set of capacitors or smaller batteries for changing lanes / minor roads should do it.

Charge electricity usage based on mileage or smart meters in cars.
Last edited by: zippy on Mon 22 Jul 19 at 21:51
 Iran 'seizes British-flagged oil tanker' - sooty123
The iranians have claimed that they've seized another tanker. No nationality or where the ship is from.
 Iran 'seizes British-flagged oil tanker' - sooty123
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49362182

The beginning of the end perhaps?
 Iran 'seizes British-flagged oil tanker' - bathtub tom
Did we ever get back the small, open boat they nicked off us years ago?
 Iran 'seizes British-flagged oil tanker' - sooty123
>> Did we ever get back the small, open boat they nicked off us years ago?
>>

No i think it's in some museum in iran.
 Iran 'seizes British-flagged oil tanker' - Zero
The Americans never got their embassy back either,
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