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Thread Author: zippy Replies: 125

 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - zippy
and want to get on with their life...

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51040751

Good on them!

Hope they thrive and remain happy.

Shame about the £600k p/a security bill though!
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - Zero
There is no chance they wont remain a net drain on royal or public funds. Cake and eating springs to mind.
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - Zero
Megxit!
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - commerdriver
>> There is no chance they wont remain a net drain on royal or public funds.
>> Cake and eating springs to mind.
>>
They basically cannot win, do you imagine for 1 second that the media, both in the US and in the UK will give them a chance at a private life. the Princess of Wales was never bothered by the press or anything after her divorce, was she?

it has always struck me that the royal family is a gilded cage job, constant attention loads of dosh but no peace until others grow up and take on their share of the spotlight, don't envy them at all.
Even if they wanted to live quietly, out of the public eye which really i doubt for this particular pair, there is no chance they will be able to

Can you imagine how attractive they are as a target whether for criminals, terrorists, loonies etc. so yes security will be a drain for the rest of their lives
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - Zero

>> They basically cannot win, do you imagine for 1 second that the media, both in
>> the US and in the UK will give them a chance at a private life.

Now? no chance.

>> the Princess of Wales was never bothered by the press or anything after her divorce,
>> was she?

His brother has made a pretty good job at managing the press.
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - tyrednemotional
>>
>> >> the Princess of Wales was never bothered by the press or anything after her
>> divorce, was she?
>>
>> His brother has made a pretty good job at managing the press.
>>

???!

..do you know something we don't?...
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - Zero

>>
>> ..do you know something we don't?...

You dont read the press then?
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - zippy
>>
>> His brother has made a pretty good job at managing the press.
>>

Yes, but different people have different skills.

Harry was so much younger when his mother died and I guess this had a very significant impact on his life, vis a vis the press and cameras.

I truly wish them well, but realise it won't be possible in the fullest sense.
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - bathtub tom
They want to be 'self financing'.

I presume that means they want to turn up for dinner somewhere where everyone else has paid a grand or more, for some indifferent meal, to be in the same room as them?

Not for me, but who's financing all those who do splash out, the public?
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - No FM2R
Pretty effin simple, isn't it?

Do the job you are paid to do or stop taking the salary. They are not paid to be North American celebrities, they are not paid to enjoy themselves.

If they don't want the job, and I quite understand why that might be the case, then stop taking the money. They don't need to work to be financially independent, they need to work to avoid living in a gutter. The money simply stops when you stop dong the job. Just as it is for the rest of us.

He's as big a pain in the a*** as his Mother.
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - Bromptonaut
If he doesn't want to do the public duties stuff then he should drop off the civil list. Surely they've collectively got enough to live on from his inheritance, his great grandmother's trust and her accumulated acting etc earnings.

Security is more of a conundrum. He's vulnerable because of his birth rather than any self acquired 'celeb' status and will be for all of his life. He probably should still come under the wing of the Royal Protection Group.
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - R.P.
Lot to be said for a bicycling monarchy. He could have an adequate "allowance" from his grand-mother. What are they for...who cares.
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - sooty123
>> Lot to be said for a bicycling monarchy. He could have an adequate "allowance" from
>> his grand-mother. What are they for...who cares.
>>

What a bicycling monarchy?
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - Duncan
>> What a bicycling monarchy?
>>

Dutch?
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - Bromptonaut
>> Dutch?

And/or Scandinavian.
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - Bromptonaut
>> What a bicycling monarchy?

Google>Wiki:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_monarchy
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - sooty123
Cheers, not heard that one before.
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - R.P.
I always thought it was Scandinavian - Make it British. Give them six Chinese made Raleigh bikes and let them sort out who gets what.
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - Ambo
www.msn.com/en-gb/news/royal-family/meghan-markle-and-prince-harry-set-to-make-millions-after-quitting-royal-family/ar-BBYLn5d?ocid=spartandhp

Even more sources of income.
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - Zero
Prince Harry and Meghan say they'll work to become financially independent

From what I have read, I think that means living on money siphoned out of their charity.
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - Robin O'Reliant
Whether pro or anti royal, or an agnostic who doesn't care either way it's a life I wouldn't wish on anybody. You get lumbered with it by pure accident of birth and you like the Hotel California you can check out anytime you want, but you can never leave. Stepping aside like this pair have done may well make things worse for them as press interest in their lives is likely to increase rather than subside.

You can talk about the enormous wealth and privilege all you want, but those are by no means the be all and end all. Contentment and peace of mind trumps them.

I'm 'appy to be poor but 'umble squire, I don't envy them a bit.
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - Manatee
>> Stepping aside like this pair have done may well make things
>> worse for them as press interest in their lives is likely to increase rather than
>> subside.

Particularly if they intend to make their livings by being famous. Having to worry about being popular doesn't sound like a recipe for happiness.
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - legacylad
I suppose the couple have been thinking about this course of action for a while. They wouldn’t just dream it up eating toast & marmalade, with a mug of tea, in bed one wet Sunday morning.
I’d hate to be in the spotlight like them, but it’s pros and cons. Lucky them staying with friends for 6 weeks over Christmas...I’ve done the same with my pals in CA, but I get chores to do. Paint the fence, sand the deck, walk their 3 dogs, clean the house every Saturday morning. Fair exchange!
Don’t know where their money comes from to fund their lifestyle, but if I thought the taxpayer had funded the million pound plus refurb of their home, then they decide to chuff off for 6 months a year, I’d be pretty disgusted.
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - Duncan
>> if I thought
>> the taxpayer had funded the million pound plus refurb of their home, then they decide
>> to chuff off for 6 months a year, I’d be pretty disgusted.


How do you feel at the moment?
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - legacylad
Fine thanks. I’ve no idea who funded the property refurb. Possibly his Father who gets a lot of income from his duchy of Cornwall property portfolio ? But yeah, if me and other taxpayers paid for it I’d be very phished off.
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - Bromptonaut
Stuff I've read elsewhere about need for work at Buck House and other residences is that the royal places tend to be in the sort of state where estate agents would say 'in need of update'.

I'd therefore surmise while the refurb was probably tailored to needs of Harry and his wife the place needed attention anyway. If they don't need it any more it can be used for other members of the household or let commercially.

OTOH HM is of the wartime 'thrift' generation and will probably give Harry a piece of her mind over wasting money!!!
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - Duncan
>> But yeah, if
>> me and other taxpayers paid for it I’d be very phished off.

You should be very phished off then. Because you did pay for it.

Edit

Despite stepping back as frontline royals, Harry and Meghan have decided to keep Frogmore Cottage. The public paid £2.4million to fund a renovation of the Grade II-listed property near Windsor Castle.3 days ago
Reality of Duke and Duchess of Sussex's 'financial independence' | Daily Mail Online
Last edited by: Duncan on Sun 12 Jan 20 at 09:53
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - smokie
Does the Mail say (or even know or care, rather than speculate) whether they have agreed to cough up towards it?
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - Zero
Donning my Nostradamus cap, I gaze into my xtal ball, and I see Megan and Harry becoming a divorce statistic.


(being a Nostradamus prediction, you dont have to put a timescale on it)
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - Bromptonaut
>> Donning my Nostradamus cap, I gaze into my xtal ball, and I see Megan and
>> Harry becoming a divorce statistic.

That thought crossed my mind too. It could happen to anybody in the strong willed woman (or man) v crusty old in laws trying to rule roost scenario without actual royalty being involved.

Isn't it also a statistic that children of divorced parents are themselves more likely to divorce?
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - tyrednemotional
>> ....I see Megan and Harry becoming a divorce statistic.
>>

...well, strictly that could be seen as the case whether they actually divorce or don't....
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - Duncan

>> ...well, strictly

If they are looking to become independent that is something they could do. I am sure it would be very popular.
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - henry k
>> Donning my Nostradamus cap, I gaze into my xtal ball, and I see Megan and
>> Harry becoming a divorce statistic.
>>
>> (being a Nostradamus prediction, you dont have to put a timescale on it)
>>
Have the bookies published the odds yet ?
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - henry k
>>Have the bookies published the odds yet ?

To answer my own question - odds at present are 3 /1 by 2025.
Aussie view of the xtal ball
www.smh.com.au/entertainment/celebrity/what-are-the-odds-harry-and-meghan-will-divorce-20180519-p4zg94.html

Meanwhile is this item on the Monday agenda?
www.quora.com/What-would-happen-to-baby-Archie-if-Meghan-Duchess-of-Sussex-and-Prince-Harry-divorced

 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - smokie
I'm guessing Duncan and the other Daily Mail readers are now OK with it, given that they will be paying for the Frogmore House alterations themselves...

Or was there something else to fret about too? :-)
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - Duncan
>> I'm guessing Duncan and the other Daily Mail readers


A Daily Mail reader?

Well, I can quote the Mail online if that's what you mean.

But, a reader - no.

I take considerable umbrage at the thought of being considered a reader of that rag.
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - smokie
>> >> I'm guessing Duncan and the other Daily Mail readers
>>
>>
>> A Daily Mail reader?
>>
>> Well, I can quote the Mail online if that's what you mean.
>>
>> But, a reader - no.
>>
>> I take considerable umbrage at the thought of being considered a reader of that rag.
>>

Apologies for any genuine offence caused, one was just teasing.

However I was, at the time, a bit fed up with the conclusions being jumped to, including by SWMBO (who is also mortified that she may be seen as a Mail reader but has an uncanny ability to quote from it quite extensively)!! :-)
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - Duncan
>>
>> Apologies for any genuine offence caused, one was just teasing.

No sweat.

My umbrage was manufactured rather than the genuine article.
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - tyrednemotional
...it is so difficult nowadays to get anything but Chinese umbrage, don't you find......
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - legacylad
I can’t imagine them borrowing £2.4m from PayDay Loans. Maybe Charles will lend him the brass?
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - Zero
>> I can’t imagine them borrowing £2.4m from PayDay Loans. Maybe Charles will lend him the
>> brass?

They'l end up in a council flat in Bracknell
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - tyrednemotional
....that's the problem when the firm puts you on a zero-hours contract...
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - No FM2R
>>If he doesn't want to do the public duties stuff then he should drop off the civil list.

100%.
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - CGNorwich
The Civil List was abolished some years back.

He gets his income for official duties via his father from income form the Duchy of Cornwall. I believe he also get a small amount from the Queen from the Sovereign Grant which he has said he will relinquish
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - smokie
I'm not sure it's been suggested that they would keep their civil list money, has it? SWMBO was getting in a lather about that earlier so maybe it is.

There is a Beeb article which claims to know where their income comes from. Not much is from it anyway.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-51047186

The point I found interesting was about other "not working [for the family]" royals (e.g. Beatrice and Eugene) - no-one gets frothy over them but Harry seems to be the centre of some nasty stuff elsewhere (by all accounts. As C4P is mostly my one and only online gossip source I can only say what I see here :-) )

 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - God
Re: Megxit ... There should be a referendum to decide whether they should Remain or Leave (heard on the wireless)
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - No FM2R
I would fight any suggestion that we should get rid of the Monarchy.

However, any member who doesn't want to be a full part of it should be cast to one side. If the ultimate result of that is that the Monarchy has run it's course and dies away, then I don't have a problem with that.

I don't mind it dying out or having increasingly less significance, I just don't want it "got rid of".

It would appear that Harry is striving to achieve as much damage to the monarchy as his appalling Mother managed, if not more. I'm sure that his Father will be very proud, though Charles probably not so much.
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - Zero
The monarchy has come to the end of the road. What do we have now, an old lady losing her mobility and marbles her (lack off) constitutional powers cruelly exposed by an attempted con trick by BoJo.

next in line is an out of date buffoon has hasn't progress much above the days of bertie wooster.

Morally they have screwing around, and behaving boorishly for years.


Time to get rid.
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - smokie
I note from another Beeb article that"Die Zeit, in Germany, says the Queen now has a "shortage of skilled workers"

Made me LOL.
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - smokie
"his Father will be very proud, though Charles probably not so much."


Haha I'm surprised a similar comment wasn't made earlier. I was thinking one up, slowly LOL
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - bathtub tom
I liked Barry Humphrie's comment (in dame Edna mode): She'll make a good first wife.
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - Bromptonaut
>> It would appear that Harry is striving to achieve as much damage to the monarchy
>> as his appalling Mother managed, if not more. I'm sure that his Father will be
>> very proud, though Charles probably not so much.


Strange comment given your reaction to a similar jib at time of Harry's wedding.
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - No FM2R
You'll find that in English it is appropriate to use 'the'. As in "at *THE* time". I don't really know why you struggle with that so much.

Your need to score a point to one side, Harry having declared his *changed* position I see no difficulty with reassessing mine.
Last edited by: No FM2R on Thu 9 Jan 20 at 19:10
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - Duncan
>> You'll find that in English it is appropriate to use 'the'. As in "at *THE*
>> time". I don't really know why you struggle with that so much.

Whereas you seem to struggle with 'its' and 'it's'.

It really isn't difficult.
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - No FM2R
I do indeed struggle.

I know the rules, they are both easy and obvious. But I have always struggled when typing, though not when writing. It's quite obvious to me when I review something I have typed and I always correct it, but for some reason not when I type it initially. And, of course, I don't always review everything.

It is an a*** and it does annoy me that I keep doing it, so I can quite understand why it would annoy you.

So you're saying you think it's the same for Bromp with "the"?
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - Bromptonaut
>> So you're saying you think it's the same for Bromp with "the"?

We've discussed this before. It's a drafting tic or style I picked up at some stage in my Civil Service career. Like you I'm not that diligent about reviewing what I type as I type and I struggle with any form of proof reading as I'v always been a 'look say' reader seeing the word as expected/should be and not picking up typos. To be honest it's not going to change at this stage of my life and I apologise if anybody struggles with it.

Casebook, the tool we use for recording clients at work and their cases, will suggest 'the' where it may be missing - which kind of implies it's a common thing.
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - No FM2R
>>It's a drafting tic or style I picked up at some stage in my Civil Service career. Like you I'm not that diligent about reviewing what I type as I type and To be honest it's not going to change at this stage of my life and I apologise if anybody struggles with it.

I was never a long time Civil Servant, but I've worked within. MOD mostly. They were so pedantic about writing that it used to drive me nuts. When to use should, shall or will as just one example. I'm amazed you got away with missing 'the's.

>>I struggle with any form of proof reading as I'v always been a 'look say' reader seeing the word as expected/should be and not picking up typos.

Do what I do; press post / send / write or whatever. Wait until any conceivable editing possibility has expired and then look again. You'll find every error you made flashing like a belisha beacon.

>>I apologise if anybody struggles with it

There are times it makes one of your more complex sentences a bit more difficult to work out, but I'm sure I can live with it. I shall probably still whine about it though.
Last edited by: No FM2R on Fri 10 Jan 20 at 13:43
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - Duncan
>> >> It is an a*** and it does annoy me that I keep doing it, so
>> I can quite understand why it would annoy you.

No, it doesn't annoy me.

I find that I frequently use lower case 'i' when I should use 'I'. Likewise I often hit the adjacent key on the keyboard rather than the key I want. 't' instead of 'r' and so on.

Just sloppiness, I suppose.
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - No FM2R

>> I find that I frequently use lower case 'i' when I should use 'I'. Likewise
>> I often hit the adjacent key on the keyboard rather than the key I want.
>> 't' instead of 'r' and so on.
>>
>> Just sloppiness, I suppose.
>>

If it was sloppiness or crap typing I could probably fix it. It's like I have some blind spot when typing and it simply doesn't register on my brain. I have to say most of what I write is somewhat "stream of consciousness" but you'd think I'd notice this one.

Effin annoying, is what it is. To me, if not to you.
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - smokie
Serious comment - I wonder if in his mind he knows he is not truly royal blood, and feeling a bit of a fraud played into the decision.

It would have been such an easy thing to prove/disprove.
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - No FM2R
I think even looking at him her has some of Charles' chartacteristics so it is by no means sure even at that level.

I suppose the truth must be known for sure though.

I think ultimately my guess is that it is true. It would seem to easy to have allowed his DNA to be discovered or tested for some spurious reason that it could have been done, I'd assume. Thus I am assuming that they don't wish to address the matter.

You've got to feel for the kid over that one though. Just because his Mother was both generous and careless doesn't seem reason for him to be harassed over it.

However, I do think that his current choice, assuming that it is his, will lay him open to a whole league of issues he's never faced before. The British Government, the Courts and Monarchy may have precious little influence over the UK media, but they have none over the North American media.
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - Kevin
But with a few notable exceptions the American/Canook media don't incessantly hound people in the public eye to try and make a headline like they do here. OK, they'll get the "Harry and Meghan spotted in a Toronto Walmart" stuff but I don't think they'll have photographers in ghillie suits at the bottom of their garden unless they're working for the DM.
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - Zero
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-51055157
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - martin aston
There at least two sides to this but the majority of the coverage has been centred on the Royal aspect. The expectation has been that they are Royal and that's all that matters. The fact is that in the 21st century women are no longer property and couples need to fit into both parties' lifestyles. The idea that they have to be 100% Royal is surely out-dated. If they need to break away, in whole or in part, from the circus then they should be able to do so and the costs and other details can be sorted out later.

Princess Anne seems to manage pretty well in letting her husbands pursue independent lives. I am not even sure who the current one is. But then again they are men and aren't expected to fall into line.

At every stage the women who marry into the Family are expected to conform while the men who join have much wider freedom. Sophie (Wessex?) had to give up work, Fergie made a lot of mis-steps but the career cards were stacked against her too.

I don't think there would be nearly so much negative press if this were a "Princess Harriet" who had married a working commoner who wanted to have a degree of independent existence. Princess Margaret and the photographer bloke for example.

Give them a break.
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - Zero
>> all that matters. The fact is that in the 21st century women are no longer
>> property

I'm afraid up until 2011, in royal succession women simply didnt count, this is all about future royal consorts and "House of Windsor PLC"

Princess Anne became very unimportant indeed once the boy sprogs started to fill up the line, Her only place in life now is as an Employee of HOW PLC, so who she is married to or what they do is of no interest.

If HH wants to leave HOW PLC, fine, off you go son, and leave the pay and perks behind.


Its time HOW PLC was disbanded anyway. And the crown estate returned to the country.
Last edited by: Zero on Fri 10 Jan 20 at 09:15
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - smokie
"If HH wants to leave HOW PLC, fine, off you go son, and leave the pay and perks behind."

From my limited vista this seems to me to be the biggest obsession for the public.

One of the "papers" was reporting that his "dad" may cut him off from the Duchy of Cornwall income. Spiteful or what? Many have had ups and downs with their kids but it seems pretty extreme to cut off their life support. Some might call it blackmail!
Last edited by: smokie on Fri 10 Jan 20 at 11:34
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - Fenlander
>>> leave the pay and perks behind." From my limited vista this seems to me to be the biggest obsession for the public.

Yes because its both perception and reality (in some percentage combination) Harry & Megan's lifestyle is funded by the public purse. Hence there is concern this financial relationship may be abused if he gets to both keep and eat cake. So it's a legit media and public interest to see how this pans out.


>>>Its time HOW PLC was disbanded anyway. And the crown estate returned to the country.

Well by and large it is mostly returned to the country given the Queen effectively lives in a tied cottage and if I understand it correctly she only receives 15% of net from the Crown Estates and is under constant public and government scrutiny. Crown Estates seem to be quite a successful company with an admirable degree of permanence and good returns on business/investments.

Far less freedom for the Queen than the plastic vacuum guy for example worth billions who can do exactly what he wants with his money.

She has far higher standards than the CEOs who milk a large salary, bonus and retirement package from a failing major company only to jump just before it goes down the pan.



Last edited by: Fenlander on Fri 10 Jan 20 at 11:55
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - Manatee
OK Harry is closer to the succession but there seems to be a difference between what he and Meghan have in mind and the "commoner" lives of Zara Tindall and her husband.
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - No FM2R
>OK Harry is closer to the succession but there seems to be a difference between what he and Meghan have in mind and the "commoner" lives of Zara Tindall and her husband.

Harry's seems to be closer to just not working or being visible but still getting all the benefits.
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - Duncan
>> One of the "papers" was reporting that his "dad" may cut him off from the
>> Duchy of Cornwall income. Spiteful or what? Many have had ups and downs with their
>> kids but it seems pretty extreme to cut off their life support. Some might call
>> it blackmail!

Blackmail? No. Demands with threats - possibly?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackmail
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - No FM2R
>> One of the "papers" was reporting that his "dad" may cut him off from the
>> Duchy of Cornwall income. Spiteful or what?

I wonder what that same paper would be reporting if Charles had said "No worries son, you can still have the money whatever you're doing".

Though doesn't the income go to William, anyway? It will certainly be under his control in the future.
Last edited by: No FM2R on Fri 10 Jan 20 at 14:39
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - No FM2R
>If HH wants to leave HOW PLC, fine, off you go son, and leave the pay and perks behind.

Absolutely.

I understand that there is always the battle cry of resentment/jealousy over their perceived pay and benefits, most of which I have no time for, but if he is leaving the job then WTF should he get the remuneration package?

And his security should be sufficient for a 'normal life'. If he wishes to carry out public functions, with a logical need for extra security, then whoever is paying for that attendance should pay for the security; be that the Royal family or some other organisation or corporation.

>>Princess Anne became very unimportant indeed

She does do quite a lot of work with remarkably little drama or fuss.
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - VxFan
Some photos doing the rounds at the moment.

i.ibb.co/3y03tvg/artistformerly.jpg

i.ibb.co/QcvWRj3/thelastalaskans.jpg

i.ibb.co/x7jFPxB/megxit.jpg

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 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - Bromptonaut
>> Some photos doing the rounds at the moment.
>>
>> i.ibb.co/3y03tvg/artistformerly.jpg
>>
>> i.ibb.co/QcvWRj3/thelastalaskans.jpg
>>
>> i.ibb.co/x7jFPxB/megxit.jpg
>>
>> i.ibb.co/dgCF018/satnav.jpg

Very good.

Took me a second or so to 'get' the last one.
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - Zero

>> Very good.
>>
>> Took me a second or so to 'get' the last one.

Yeah, takes a while to click
 Another referendum? - smokie
This Labour leader candidate wants us to vote on the future of the royal family.

Do we really have to vote on everything these days?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51062770
 Another referendum? - Ambo
A wag on the Letters page of the DT suggests a referendum on "Megxit".
 Another referendum? - VxFan
>> A wag on the Letters page of the DT suggests a referendum on "Megxit".

Dog already beat you to it

www.car4play.com/forum/post/index.htm?t=27499&m=599486&v=e
 Another referendum? - Bromptonaut
Megxit memes have been trending all week....
 Another referendum? - James Loveless
"This Labour leader candidate wants us to vote on the future of the royal family."

That politician (Clive Lewis) probably wants a distraction from the internal problems of the Labour Party. He has called for unity among all the candidates (!) and is a fervent Corbyn supporter.

Given that he faces the impossible task of reconciling Corbynism with a radical overhaul, it's not surprising that a bit of republicanism and a topical diversion from matters in hand might suit him very well.
 Another referendum? - sooty123
> That politician (Clive Lewis) probably wants a distraction from the internal problems of the Labour
>> Party. He has called for unity among all the candidates (!) and is a fervent
>> Corbyn supporter.

Or probably some attention because no one has heard of him.
 Another referendum? - Bromptonaut
>> Or probably some attention because no one has heard of him.

Not sure where he's got to in nomination process but he's not exactly a front runner.
 Another referendum? - sooty123
>> >> Or probably some attention because no one has heard of him.
>>
>> Not sure where he's got to in nomination process but he's not exactly a front
>> runner.
>>

Precisely but then neither was Corbyn early on.
 Another referendum? - Bromptonaut
>> Precisely but then neither was Corbyn early on.

Then/now are chalk/cheese.

Corbyn was well known as a rebel speaking out on Ulster and numerous other issues. I don't think Lewis now has anything like the public recognition, or the profile amongst party members that Corbyn had in 2015.

This will be a very different contest. Last time there were three candidates Burnham, Cooper and Kendall who were a bit identikit, all in similar mould and none standing out. At time nominations were about to close nobody was a standard bearer for the left. Indeed as one of my colleagues tartly observed at time if Ted Heath had been on the ballot he'd not have been the furthest right. MPs nominated Corbyn at last lurch and on assumption he'd be token lefty and do a Dianne Abbott foundering with all hands in round one. They seemed completely blind to fact that rules had changed following Miliband's election. Neither did they foresee the impact of £1 supporter votes.

With Rebecca Long-Bailey as somebody authentically on the left and Nandy and Phillips both personable and with serious policy platforms there's a very different slate. Supporter votes will be offered but only in a short window. At £25 they're half the price I paid for Membership but there won't be people putting their dog up as member to get a chance to disrupt the party.

It's still a long time until the actual poll closes and with transferable votes and probability there'll be no winner in first round we could yet be blindsided.
Last edited by: Bromptonaut on Sat 11 Jan 20 at 08:41
 Another referendum? - sooty123
I was just making the point he was trying to make a bit of noise so he could get some news coverage. That's all!
 Another referendum? - Bromptonaut
>> This Labour leader candidate wants us to vote on the future of the royal family.
>>
>> Do we really have to vote on everything these days?
>>
>> www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51062770

The one lesson of the EU referendum is that those advocating change from 'status quo' need to be crystal clear what the alternative is.

What is Clive's model for a new constitution.
 Another referendum? - Terry
He is just an unprincipled shyster trying to make some political capital out of the Harry/Megan saga.

I would hope even Labour corbynistas would see him for what he is and vote accordingly!
 Another referendum? - Bromptonaut
>> He is just an unprincipled shyster trying to make some political capital out of the
>> Harry/Megan saga.

Obviously he's not your choice for the job. He won't be mine either, but he's a potential candidate with some serious ideas. Why do you think he's unprincipled?

At the moment he's struggling to get the numbers to run. I think he's foolish to go public in blaming his race for that but I wouldn't say it was impossible for it to be a factor.

Unless something changes I'll be first choice Keir Starmer, second probably Emily Thornberry. I'll think some more about the others nearer ballot time when I've seen/heard more an possibly attended hustings.
 Another referendum? - Bromptonaut
>> Unless something changes I'll be first choice Keir Starmer, second probably Emily Thornberry.

MAy have to revise that as Emily, like Clive Lewis, is struggling to get nominated.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jan/09/labour-leadership-long-bailey-phillips-and-nandy-win-backing

On that slate I'll be (1) Starmer and scratching my head over 2/3 and Nandy/Phillips.
 Another referendum? - sooty123
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51021024

I thought this article is interesting. Lays out the challenges for the next leader and the possible direction the campaign is going to take.
 Another referendum? - Ambo
A very important aspect of the Megxit summit has been picked up by the Telegraph and Mirror; Queen has been spotted wearing a hearing aid there. That is really exciting and must be worth thousands of column inches and countless social media texts.
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - No FM2R
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51163865


At first glance it would seem to be a reasonable way forward.
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - Robin O'Reliant
I can't help feeling that their problems are only just beginning.
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - No FM2R
But at least they will be their own personal problems.

Now if we can just stop the terminally sad from rushing out amd buying everytime the tabloid media prints a paparazzi picture it ought to settle down.
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - Zero
>> But at least they will be their own personal problems.

But they will blame everyone and everything else tho.
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - No FM2R
As did his Mother.
Last edited by: No FM2R on Sat 18 Jan 20 at 21:20
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - Duncan
And his mother's apologists.
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - CGNorwich
Pretty impressive thread for those who feign no interest in the couple.
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - Zero
Slow news day.
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - tyrednemotional
>>
>> But they will blame everyone and everything else tho.
>>

.....They're not Brexiteers are they......? :-O


(Actually, in another definition, they could possibly be seen as being so.)
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 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - CGNorwich
Harry must be the first to justify his resignation as wanting to spend less time with his family.
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - Haywain
"I can't help feeling that their problems are only just beginning."

Five years max?
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - Zero
Very good, the papers are calling it a "hard megxit"
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - No FM2R
Just caught the end of a BBC report waiting for Match of the Day to start and there was some report seemingly based upon the fact that Prince Harry isn't happy with the final hard exit agreement.

It appeared to be saying that he hadn't got quite the best of both worlds as he'd wanted, though as I say I only caught the tail end.

"You've made your bed, now lie in it" would be one phrase that springs to mind.
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - smokie
Might be in relation to a speech he made today. The Beeb has the full text here

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51170948

This bit could fit the bill for what you heard. "Our hope was to continue serving the Queen, the Commonwealth, and my military associations, but without public funding. Unfortunately, that wasn't possible."

So not earth shattering I think but your lasta para sums it up.
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - No FM2R
Sounds like it.

He really is his Mother's son.
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - sooty123
It seems quite sad that it's come to this, especially the split/drifting away from his family. Not something that's nice to see regardless of who they are, especially as it's all so public.
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - Lygonos
At least the media frenzy takes the spotlight off Prince Andrew and his alleged predilection for pumping teenagers.

Anyhoos....

m.facebook.com/ISeeYouStories/photos/a.572035576233853/2420214044749321
Last edited by: Lygonos on Mon 20 Jan 20 at 08:07
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - sooty123
I'm sure that the writer of that rambling piece had a point. Not sure what it is, but I'm sure they think it was worth it typing that out.
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - Bromptonaut
>> I'm sure that the writer of that rambling piece had a point. Not sure what
>> it is, but I'm sure they think it was worth it typing that out.

Literally cannot read it; layout just doesn't work full screen on a large monitor.
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - sooty123
Literally cannot read it; layout just doesn't work full screen on a large monitor.
>>

Don't worry you didn't miss anything.
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - Bromptonaut
>> Don't worry you didn't miss anything.

Came to that conclusion after struggling through first couple of lines. If it had been riveting I'd have made more effort.......
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - henry k
>> At least the media frenzy takes the spotlight off Prince Andrew

Duke and Duchess of Sussex issue legal warning over photos (in Canada )
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51197099
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - No FM2R
Oh dear, they really are never going to be happy, are they.

STFU, stop doing stuff and the world will lose interest. It's that simply.

Diana died by jumping into a car with a drunken driver just to stop someone taking her picture. If she'd just stood there and let them then firstly she wouldn't have died and secondly the pictures would have become so common as to be worthless for the paparazzi to try for more.

It would appear that her son has a similar outlook and is also a slow learner.
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - sooty123
>> Oh dear, they really are never going to be happy, are they.
>>
>> STFU, stop doing stuff and the world will lose interest. It's that simply.
>

From that report it seems she was out walking, I'm not sure in the case what stuff she should stop doing? Stay indoors? I'm sure you don't mean that, you mean generally?
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - No FM2R
Correct. I didn't mean her walking the dog or any such normal things.

But I do mean his ridiculous and seemingly official statement about it. Talking about ridiculous. Make pictures of you difficult to get when people want them and you're just asking for them to try harder.

And he's going to lose the protection of the agreement between the UK media and the Royal Household.

I also meant suing a newspaper for printing a letter sent to your Father, which was given to them *by* your Father and who will now appear as a witness against you. how dumb do you have to be?

Also Harry makes the deal with, I presume, The Queen and then stands up at an unconnected occasion and uses it as a soapbox to point out that it wasn't what he wanted and nothing is his fault.

And all the other publicity attracting stuff they both insist on doing.

Honestly, it really isn't that difficult.

And now he's going to become self-supporting, I presume using his Royal-ness and his celebrity. But he doesn't want pictures.

He is making a t*** of himself.

 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - VxFan
>> It seems quite sad that it's come to this,

On a more positive note, I'm still enjoying the humorous photos and cartoons that are continuing to do the rounds ;)
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - Terry
So it seems the best strategy isn't to hide from the media but to let them take as many pictures as they want in the hope they will simply lose interest.

After all what newspaper is going to want to pick up the tab indefinitely just to get more pictures of Harry driving car, Megan taking kids to school, both going out for a meal somewhere modest, pushing trolley round supermarket etc etc.

But they do need to take care not to do that which may damage he Sussex brand - so no drunken brawls, public arguments, displays of gross excess etc etc. Mind you a few minor instances may be a good idea so even a major photo op will be of no real consequence.
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - sooty123
>> After all what newspaper is going to want to pick up the tab indefinitely just
>> to get more pictures of Harry driving car, Megan taking kids to school, both going
>> out for a meal somewhere modest, pushing trolley round supermarket etc etc.
>>
>>

From what I understand newspaper do exactly that.
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - R.P.
When his brother and his then fiance lived on Anglesey - they were left largely alone. There is a tale that the locals wouldn't let on exactly where they living. They felt happy enough to go to the shop in the next village and a supermarket in Menai Bridge unhindered. He visited a restaurant run by an acquaintance near RAF Valley, she turned his party away as they hadn't booked a table. She's from Macclesfield and cared little what she said. He was a regular eater there before and after he was turned away.
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - No FM2R
>>From what I understand newspaper do exactly that.

A paparazzi photo is worth loads of money if the photo is rare.

As soon as a photo can be obtained easily who is going to bother paying a paparazzi exorbitant sums?

Ok, they will from time to time when the subject is in the news for something, but it's nto a permanent state of affairs.
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - Zero

>> But they do need to take care not to do that which may damage he
>> Sussex brand - so no drunken brawls, public arguments, displays of gross excess etc etc.

NOt done Boris any harm
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - BiggerBadderDave
I could trip over his wife and have no idea she is - until a few days again. They're attracting more attention than ever.

Suing a newspaper? What a dildo. It's like quicksand. The more you struggle, the quicker you sink.
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - Zero
The royals have a kind of aspergers, an inability to live in or know how the real world reacts and works.
 Young Couple Dont Want Public Handouts Anymore - henry k
>> >> But they do need to take care not to do that which may damage the Sussex brand

>>BUT we do not even know officially what title to use :-(
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7909381/Palace-gaffe-Meghan-divorce-Officials-admit-blunder.html
 Megxit - An Academic Perspective - Bromptonaut
Constitution unit blog on subject:

constitution-unit.com/2020/01/25/prince-harry-meghan-markle-and-the-sandringham-settlement/
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