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Thread Author: smokie |
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New Mon 20 Apr 20 18:12
Social media protocols - smokie
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NB this is a personal view and not wearing my mods hat Now that use of social media is becoming suddenly much more widespread ought someone not issue some protocols to follow? My current personal annoyance is people feeling the need to always have the last word - whether whether it's a haha after a joke, a GIF of a heart or smiley, or thanks for your useful input or whatever. I seem to spend half my online life reading useless responses to posts and comments. For once I think Facebook has it right with the likes (well, here too except no-one uses them!!) where it doesn't cause a new message and, I think, also doesn't cause a new message alert. Oh, and video calls. Mute your mike when not talking, we don't want to hear you mumbling to each other, or the dog farting or whatever. Does anyone else have any annoyances around social media? Last edited by: smokie on Mon 20 Apr 20 at 18:12
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New Mon 20 Apr 20 18:45
Social media protocols - sooty123
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I've not really used fb in 7 or 8 years, I occasionally as in a couple of times a year. The only small thing is on WhatsApp where there's a trend to read a message and then everyone puts a thumbs up on a big group you get a screen full. But that's only a small thing. Nothing else springs to mind at the moment. |
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New Mon 20 Apr 20 18:48
Social media protocols - sooty123
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Oh, and video calls. Mute your mike when not talking, we don't want to hear >> you mumbling to each other, or the dog farting or whatever. >> You mean business type calls or family and friends type of call? |
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New Mon 20 Apr 20 18:48
Social media protocols - sooty123
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Last edited by: sooty123 on Mon 20 Apr 20 at 18:49
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New Mon 20 Apr 20 19:07
Social media protocols - smokie
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Family and friends. It's a great tool for keeping in touch but I am now on usually 3 or 4 evenings a week, catching up with people more often and more intensely that I ever did in real life!! SWMBO even puts on make up for one of them... My observations are somewhat tongue in cheek as I am genuinely grateful that the technology is there to support us so well in the situation we find ourselves in. But it was exactly your observation on thumbs ups which gave rise to the thread!! |
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New Mon 20 Apr 20 19:13
Social media protocols - sooty123
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I think it's that lack of visual clues when we know people have heard what's been said. People have a need to replicate that, that's my idea anyway. As to the speaker I'd leave it on, I think it'd be too faffy turning it on and off all the time. |
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New Mon 20 Apr 20 19:31
Social media protocols - BiggerBadderDave
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Wifey's job is distribution/logistics, cosmetics and the stuff it's made from. That's all I really know. She's now working at home with a phone, a laptop and a printer. There's some big Skype meeting tomorrow so she's spent about an hour preparing. By that, I mean carefully aiming the laptop at a tidy corner of the living room and taping it down. Rearranging the pictures on the wall to get the kids in view. Moving the big umbrella on the patio (it's visible and ugly) and shuffling the the bench-swing into view. Fluffing the pillows, dusting, hoovering and wiping the plant leaves. I think she wants to give the impression of taste and well-to-do. I'll have to dig out my best banana-hammock and flip flops. |
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New Mon 20 Apr 20 19:37
Social media protocols - bathtub tom
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| SWMBO's been having zoom and suchlike with various groups (I refer to them as covens). Everyone has an opinion! |
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New Mon 20 Apr 20 19:57
Social media protocols - Terry
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What surprises me are TV companies whose reporters are using zoom or similar from home. With their professional skills, job and employers you might expect them to "dress the set" and try and fix the acoustics. Not at all! Whilst some seem to live in desirable properties nicely furnished, many seem to be slobs - the main component of the set seems to be a bookcase in the backround, hastily positioned to demonstrate they are "edukatid". Or perhaps to create the impression that their employers are parsimonious with salaries despite their size and income - eg:Sky, BBC |
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New Mon 20 Apr 20 23:34
Social media protocols - Kevin
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>I think she wants to give the impression of taste and well-to-do. I'll have to dig out >my best banana-hammock and flip flops. Nahh. Just litter the patio with empty beer cans and wander back and forth in a string vest and baggy grey underkeks scratching your nuts. |
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New Tue 21 Apr 20 06:57
Social media protocols - legacylad
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| Kevin....you are Rab C Nesbitt and I claim my tatties & neeps |
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New Tue 21 Apr 20 11:02
Social media protocols - R.P.
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I'll have to dig out my best banana-hammock and flip flops. and the Mankini maybe. |
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New Mon 20 Apr 20 19:59
Social media protocols - Zero
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Mrs Z decided her Saturday zoom coffee morning with her mates, had to be done from the new basecamp the other morning. I had to spend an hour the previous day getting the thing tidied up, hauling the 26 kilo awning out of it to stuff in the garage. Then I had to set the heating to come on two hours before her meeting so it was nice and cosy for her. Of course the water had to be on so she could show them the shower ......... And of course we now have Zoom yoga and Pilates. supporting and planning all this comms tech is like being back at work. Last edited by: Zero on Mon 20 Apr 20 at 20:00
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New Tue 21 Apr 20 02:35
Social media protocols - VxFan
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The thing that gets my goat is a colleague sends a "thank you" reply to nearly every email he gets sent. Even if he's not the actual recipient, and only cc'd in for reference, he still replies with a "thanks" message. I've mentioned it to him before about how annoying it is, but he still does it. I've now started replying back saying things like "you're welcome" or "no problem" to fill up his inbox with crap. He still doesn't take the hint. Grrrr. He also insists on a delivery report and read receipt with every email sent, but thankfully that can be switched off at my end and ignored. Last edited by: VxFan on Tue 21 Apr 20 at 02:37
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New Tue 21 Apr 20 02:50
Social media protocols - No FM2R
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Reply with... "For what?" And why 'cc' him? I absolutely never read anything that I am cc'd on. It's only ever s***-stirring or a***-covering. If I need to know, then put me in the 'To:'. Ever put me in the 'BCC' and I'll fire your a*** at the first opportunity. That is always s***-stirring and tale-telling. p.s. yes, yes, I know, too many asterisks. I think your bar is too low. Last edited by: No FM2R on Tue 21 Apr 20 at 02:52
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New Tue 21 Apr 20 07:08
Social media protocols - legacylad
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Our bar is the perfect height. It’s been set up in one of my friends two man sheds. The woodworking shed. Tools cleared away, hand pump installed, line cleaned, 9 gallon keg on the floor and cooling jacket fitted. The ‘bar’ is open noon until 22:00 hours. Only one person at a time in the shed, Max 3 people at any one time in the beer garden. Social distancing observed. Bring your own pint glass and tapas ( nuts n crisps). No one allowed indoors so toilet facilities are al fresco in a corner of the garden. This weeks beer is Kirkby Lonsdale Single Track. Barrel kindly donated by our local pub. Happy daze |
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New Tue 21 Apr 20 08:38
Social media protocols - helicopter
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Had my new lady friends family Zoom meeting last Friday (I set it up for her) and her son and his wife appeared in front of an extremely plush and well stocked bar..as I have never been to their place I thought that he was quite well off ...until later on they appeared to be in outer space. Apparently he had set up a 'green screen ' behind him and Zoom has a feature where you can select what background you want.... Talked to my son on Zoom on Sunday in his flat in central London and he was sitting on a beach with Palm trees in the background... |
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New Tue 21 Apr 20 08:56
Social media protocols - legacylad
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Friends of mine use Zoom for their weekly virtual bar meeting. They use a background of some pub they know. Personally I prefer to sit in my friends garden area early evening....he streams music on his Bluetooth device, we stay 10’ apart, normally stay an hour/90 mins and have 3 pints of proper draught beer. Other friends come and go but don’t actually join us as we limit numbers to 3 on his large lawn patio area. They fill their milk containers with beer and walk home. Thursday it’s my shopping day....no chance of home delivery so I go to my local supermarket 30 mins before closing and stock up for 10/12 days. I’m still amazed at people shopping and buying only 3 or 4 items. I try to minimise my food shopping journeys at all costs. |
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New Wed 22 Apr 20 10:29
Getting a shopping delivery - Manatee
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I don't know whether this works as a tip, it certainly won't if it goes viral, so just for you lot... When we went into lockdown about a week before the instruction, I tried to book a delivery slot and failed. I got up early the following day and managed to book a click and collect three weeks afterwards. At the same time I subscribed with Tesco to midweek deliveries - £6.49/month IIRC gets you a 'free' delivery on Tue-Thur each week so there's a saving. I reasoned that if I was paying them a sub they should make some slots available. This certainly didn't work immediately. Howsomever - last Thursday I jumped up early again (about 6) and logged in. There appeared the slots for Tue-Thur this week, three days of almost totally free choice, so I booked one for yesterday afternoon and placed my order. I plan to try the same again tomorrow. |
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New Wed 22 Apr 20 10:39
Getting a shopping delivery - Dave_
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| I read somewhere (it may even have been here, who knows any more?) that Tesco delivery slots were released at 2am each day. The trick is, I believe, to order and confirm any old toot at 2am in order to reserve one's slot; and come back to it later to fill in your real shopping list ahead of the ordering cut-off time. |
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New Wed 22 Apr 20 10:52
Getting a shopping delivery - Stuu
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My wife has been doing a weekly Tesco run at around 8:30pm, finding the store almost deserted each time, possibly a legacy of the panic buying period when a store would be stripped of stock by then ( it isn't ). My MIL has been managing to book Tesco deliveries just after midnight when some slots become available, at least at her local store and it does seem to vary place to place. We can't get delivery, despite having vulnerable people in the house, but Click & Collect is available in Corby, never in Kettering. Might be that as Corby has a huge Asda the Tesco there isn't as under pressure as the Kettering Tesco perhaps. |
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New Wed 22 Apr 20 11:03
Getting a shopping delivery - Zero
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| We have learned to choose the time carefully for shopping. Mid morning, Tuesday and Thursday gets us into the local Waitrose with minimum queuing. Similar our local M&S food hall. The local co-op is good for "forgotten or damn we ran out" stuff. Minimal queues. |
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New Wed 22 Apr 20 11:30
Getting a shopping delivery - Duncan
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Duncan - Your Specialist Subject is Supermarkets Online Delivery Slots. Sainsbury - OK, choice of times now, a week or two back it was difficult Tesco - OK, same now as Sainsburys Waitrose - no joy Ocado - we are/were piggybacking on a member of the extended family. As we can now get slots with Sains and Tesc, we are steering clear to avoid damaging his chances. I have been getting on the PC at all hours, certainly early morning was better. Lady Duncan has now had a series of letters from the hospital to say she is vulnerable and should get preferential treatment. Tesco is the only supermarket that seems to have recognised that. Roll on the day when Aldi and Lidl do home delivery! |
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New Wed 22 Apr 20 12:06
Getting a shopping delivery - smokie
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Tesco delivery slots seem to become available at midnight but only one day at a time is added and they go within minutes. I've been to Tesco once - on Bank Hol Monday about 16:30. Short queue but mostly well stocked. My daughter went yesterday slightly later and no queue at all and also well stocked. Still no flour though. We don't usually use it so not a problem,... |
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New Wed 22 Apr 20 13:22
Getting a shopping delivery - Dog
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>>Still no flour though. Don't talk to me about flour!! I makes all me own bred & cakes and gets me flour from either Shipton Mill, Stoates Mill, Gilchesters Mill or Bacheldre in Wales. Haven't bin able to even blag a dusting of the stuff for weeks, 'til this morning. Managed to get 8kg of wholemeal from Stoates & 5kg from Gilchesters … all organic of course. Neighb (83) gave me some Homepride plain white on Monday - so I'll be a'making my world-famous ginger & almond cake the morrow. |
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New Wed 22 Apr 20 13:28
Getting a shopping delivery - Zero
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Flour is no issue now, been baking scones for a week or three, but you try getting Yeast! I have 4 x 3.5kg bags of commercial bread mix arriving thursday. (c/o of a contact in Bidvest) Last edited by: Zero on Wed 22 Apr 20 at 13:29
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New Wed 22 Apr 20 13:39
Getting a shopping delivery - Rudedog
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How about trying to make sourdough? Don't you just leave it on the windowsill and see what natural stuff is blown in off the street! Last edited by: Rudedog on Wed 22 Apr 20 at 13:40
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New Wed 22 Apr 20 17:18
Getting a shopping delivery - Zero
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>> How about trying to make sourdough? >> >> Don't you just leave it on the windowsill and see what natural stuff is blown >> in off the street! Hate sourdough. Been making unleavened bread tho, makes a pleasant change. |
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New Thu 23 Apr 20 12:37
Getting a shopping delivery - Netsur
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>> Hate sourdough. Been making unleavened bread tho, makes a pleasant change. >> Matza. The original unleavened bread... although today's version is perhaps not quite what the Children of Israel took with them out of Egypt.. |
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New Wed 22 Apr 20 13:41
Getting a shopping delivery - smokie
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Me old mum used to bake a lot at home, especially a wonderfully rich weekly fruit cake for which nothing was measured out. I wish you hadn't mentioned it as I'm now going to have to seek out some flour...!! |
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New Wed 22 Apr 20 13:45
Getting a shopping delivery - Dog
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| Yup! .. Thanks for reminding me, flour isn't much use without yeast. 'Spose I could always make some sourdough :( |
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New Wed 22 Apr 20 14:04
Getting a shopping delivery - legacylad
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I’ve never baked anything in my life. And don’t intend to start now. Every few months I fancy either a cherry or sultana scone and buy one from my local baker. Never eaten cakes, apart from a Xmas cake my old mum bakes. A sliced loaf of bread lasts me at least two weeks, probably more, as it lives in the freezer. Cookery programmes are totally wasted on me. If I really CBA to cook at home I have a supply of dehydrated foods packs ( ‘Summit to eat’ are my go to dehydated food on my backpacking trips) and simply pour in boiling water. Gourmet cooking for me is dead cow in the frying pan, microwave carrots in orange juice and home made potato wedges. Or a warmed up snake & pygmy pie from the freezer ( local butcher variety) with Heinz beans and oven chips. I’d much rather have a bowl of cornflakes with raspberries and blueberries than cooking in warmer weather. |
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New Wed 22 Apr 20 15:13
Getting a shopping delivery - Dog
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>>snake & pygmy pie :o) The ole woman picks up some frozen pasties (proper jobs!) from a local butcher - stick 'em in the oven (fan) @ 170° for 50 mins … that's livin alright! |
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New Wed 22 Apr 20 13:45
Getting a shopping delivery - Dog
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New Wed 22 Apr 20 15:49
Getting a shopping delivery - hjd
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>> Flour is no issue now, been baking scones for a week or three, but you >> try getting Yeast! Try the bakers in East Horsley. Open mornings, has had flour and yeast when I have been in. (That was supposed to be a reply to Zero, don't know why it attached itself elsewhere..) Last edited by: VxFan on Wed 22 Apr 20 at 19:36
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New Wed 22 Apr 20 02:55
Social media protocols - VxFan
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>> And why 'cc' him? To keep him in the loop of a conversation, which may not directly involve him, but the info contained in the email might be of use to him. >> Ever put me in the 'BCC' BCC is handy for sending out newsletters, etc, to many people all in one go, rather than doing it individually. Obvious reasons is so that none of the recipients see's anyone else's email addresses. GDPR and all that. |
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New Wed 22 Apr 20 15:22
Social media protocols - Bromptonaut
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>> >> And why 'cc' him? >> >> To keep him in the loop of a conversation, which may not directly involve him, >> but the info contained in the email might be of use to him. Yup, just emailed my manager on a matter that may be of wider interest, cc to team colleagues. BCC was sometimes used sneakily but wasn't necessarily so. |
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New Wed 22 Apr 20 15:27
Social media protocols - No FM2R
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Why CC? If you're communicating with them then use To: Mostly the use of CC: is more a case of showing off. "Look how clever I am and what I said to our manager." I am not saying that was your motivation, but IMO your choice was inappropriate. BCC: can be used to hid email addresses on a mass mailing, of course. But that was not the usage i was talking of. I mean in an office/work environment where it is absolutely always for unpleasant reasons. |
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New Wed 22 Apr 20 16:18
Social media protocols - Bromptonaut
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>> If you're communicating with them then use To: Mostly the use of CC: is more >> a case of showing off. "Look how clever I am and what I said to >> our manager." >> >> I am not saying that was your motivation, but IMO your choice was inappropriate. To me if you're a direct addressee then action is expected, or at least the recipient needs to consider that possibility. CC is for info. Works for me but others can differ. |
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New Wed 22 Apr 20 16:21
Social media protocols - No FM2R
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>>Works for me but others can differ. Each to their own, as you say. But for me, if someone wants me to pay attention then To: Anything else will be ignored unless it happens sufficiently often to irritate me. I detest office politics and EMail games. Especially as it can only work with a weak management team. |
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New Wed 22 Apr 20 16:25
Social media protocols - smokie
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Broadly I'd agree with that. It could be different higher up in an organisation but often a manager wants sight of what's going on, or a colleague may need to be kept in the loop for continuity or whatever, and cc is a mechanism to say here's an update but I'm not expecting anything from you. I'm with Mark on BCC though, I can hardly recall ever using that, and it was usually to mock someone behind their back or tell tales. Of course I now use it to copy SWMBO in on stuff I'm replying to that she might need to be be interested in, like changing a booking or confirming some dates, especially when it's something which doesn't directly involve her (like solo travel plans). Only cos she is the proper diary keeper, not me. |
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New Wed 22 Apr 20 16:56
Social media protocols - No FM2R
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>> but often a manager wants sight of what's going on, or a colleague may need to be kept in the loop for continuity or whatever, and cc is a mechanism to say here's an update but I'm not expecting anything from you. I don't want to thrash this to death, but I entirely disagree. >>often a manager wants sight of what's going on Reading your staff's emails is a rubbish way of managing, so if it is that it should stop. Usually it's; Look, you better do this I've copied my/your manager because you won't list to me. Look at me, aren't I clever. Look at me covering my a***. Look, I'm trying to get you into trouble cc is not an update. If updates are required then they should be given/received. Reading an email between two other people is not that. If action is not required, then why send them the email? As for sharing info; rubbish. If you think it is useful to me, then send it 'to' me. If you're using CC, you're just trying to show off about how clever you are and how much you know/do.. If you don't know whether or not it is useful, than aside from your lack of knowledge and incompetence, ask. |
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New Wed 22 Apr 20 17:27
Social media protocols - Zero
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>> Broadly I'd agree with that. It could be different higher up in an organisation but >> often a manager wants sight of what's going on, or a colleague may need to >> be kept in the loop for continuity or whatever, and cc is a mechanism to >> say here's an update but I'm not expecting anything from you. If you CC your manager on everything, just so he knows whats going on, he wont be managing because he will be swamped with useless .cc's and wont be able to read them or find time to manage. If you want your manager to know whats gong on, you send him a weekly summary. If he feels he needs to know what you are doing he will ask for a review. |
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New Wed 22 Apr 20 18:29
Social media protocols - smokie
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I'm quite quickly forgetting all that I ever knew about work (well it has been 5 years!!), but I am going to retract the manager bit as now I think about it I don't remember doing that much (except one particular control freak some years ago). Pretty sure we used cc's to keep colleagues abreast of what we were doing where the work didn't specifically involve them at that time but they may have an interest either "need to be aware" or potential future involvement. I'm sure that's indefensible too :-) And thinking about it most comms at the bank was via meetings and status updates but again you sometimes got dragged into meetings which turned out to be of little interest in the same way that people cc you with a mail. At least they were mostly conference calls rather than face to face though, so you could get on with something else in the boring bits... I remember some years back one of the heads of a French IT company declared that email was going to be banned. Dunno what came of that... |
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New Wed 22 Apr 20 19:00
Social media protocols - No FM2R
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>>Pretty sure we used cc's to keep colleagues abreast of what we were doing where the work didn't specifically involve them at that time but they may have an interest either "need to be aware" or potential future involvement. >>I'm sure that's indefensible too :-) It is. If someone needs to become involved then there should be customer, account or project files. Not spurious EMail Copying 'just in case'. >>(except one particular control freak some years ago). As i may have mentioned before, a manager will manage the most complex thing he understands and for the very worst examples that is timekeeping. The next level is process writing and process enforcement. So in this case the useless manager will decide he needs to know everything going on and dictate that the process will involve CC'ing him on emails. He will then lose any sight of the original aim which was to be informed and only focus on the process and try to seek out people who don't do it. I would say that virtually all ridiculous behaviour, process or action has it's root in rubbish middle management. Not that Senior Management is necessarily any more competent, but typically it impacts far less on the day to day behaviour of employees. A small enjoyment in my life has frequently been the middle-manager's "rabbit in the headlights" look when I strongly challenge one of the ridiculous behaviours or processes he has been torturing his staff with for years. Time-keeping enforcement Rules & Process driven behaviour EMail misuse Favouritism Game playing I delight in finding and destroying such practices. |
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New Wed 22 Apr 20 19:04
Social media protocols - No FM2R
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>>I remember some years back one of the heads of a French IT company declared that email was going to be banned. Dunno what came of that. Thierry Breton. He tried it at France Telecom and then later at Atos. I knew him at FT. In both cases it was not really about banning email, an issue far too detailed for his role to pay attention to, but rather was oriented towards changing overall company behaviour and making sure they knew there was a new sheriff in town. He's a turnaround merchant. And a good one. He's now something or other in the EU. Last edited by: No FM2R on Wed 22 Apr 20 at 19:09
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New Wed 22 Apr 20 19:22
Social media protocols - Zero
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>> Pretty sure we used cc's to keep colleagues abreast of what we were doing where >> the work didn't specifically involve them at that time but they may have an interest >> either "need to be aware" or potential future involvement. I'm sure that's indefensible too :-) I would .cc members of a virtual team on stuff they need to be aware of, I would .cc a manager if i thought it was out of line, on the assumption they would contact me or wait till the next review - their choice, and i would .cc someones manager if they were not playing ball. But .cc everything? no it needs to be used intelligently and sparingly otherwise your .cc becomes noise from you and stuff gets ignored. |
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New Wed 22 Apr 20 19:37
Social media protocols - Zero
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>> I'm quite quickly forgetting all that I ever knew about work My useful marketable technical currency evaporated completely about 2.5 years after I retired, despite the fact I did self employed "consulting" on the accounts i left behind for 2 years. |
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New Wed 22 Apr 20 16:30
Social media protocols - sooty123
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To me if you're a direct addressee then action is expected, or at least the >> recipient needs to consider that possibility. CC is for info. >> >> Works for me but others can differ. >> In theory, but my experience cc for info is overdone. The vast majority of it can be safely ignored. There's several work emails I've got set to go straight to junk mail box. I rarely bother with it, for example if my boss wants to know what I'm doing he'll come find me. Last edited by: sooty123 on Wed 22 Apr 20 at 16:31
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New Wed 22 Apr 20 19:33
Social media protocols - Zero
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When email first arrived in my domain, about 83 or 4 I think (VM/SP PROFS on 3270 displays for those who know) my manager used to delete (PF3 or 4?) all emails saying "if its important they will ring me" he lasted for another 6 years |
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New Wed 22 Apr 20 20:10
Social media protocols - smokie
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Ahhh PROFS... Ford had that and wouldn't shift from it in the US when Wang came along in the UK. So we had a PROFS bridge - I didn't support it but a close colleague did, though I did get involved in the odd problem translating from one email protocol to the other. I think Ford were the only serious user in the UK. Wang had what I think was regarded as one of the leading email systems "VSExpress", and when I worked at the Coal Board we were one of the first world users of it. That'd be 82 or 83. I went on to become the UK third level support person on the subsequent mail products and underlying comms and protocols (and databases, and operating systems, and programming languages! SOme others did comms). Most of the Wang email developers left for Microsoft which explained why their email internals were not dissimilar to those I was already familiar with! Wang led in a lot of products for many years - voicemail, imaging and word processing to name a few. Dr An Wang was ex IBM and did something like invented or designed core memory. |
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New Wed 22 Apr 20 20:15
Social media protocols - Zero
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>> Wang led in a lot of products for many years - Right up top the time they disappeared. |
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New Wed 22 Apr 20 22:02
Social media protocols - smokie
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They were killed by the CEO saying the systems weren't Y2K ready, or capable, in about 1998. They were, with just minor tweaks. I know cos I earned a load of overtime upgrading and readying customers for it. And everyone said afterwards what was all that about!!! Anyway a Dutch co called Getronics bought Wang, the hardware died the death and they became pretty much an IT services company. |
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New Wed 22 Apr 20 20:12
Social media protocols - sooty123
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>> When email first arrived in my domain, about 83 or 4 I think (VM/SP PROFS >> on 3270 displays for those who know) my manager used to delete (PF3 or 4?) >> all emails saying "if its important they will ring me" >> >> he lasted for another 6 years > Sounds like a good idea. My head of depts boss has been sending streams of emails out since all this started. I tried to keep up /remain vaguely interested but CBA, there's multiple attachments and loads of bullet points, all of little to no relevance to me, on each one. I just delete them all now without reading and wait for my LM to ask why I haven't done blah, so far that's consisted of one 3 minute job. |
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New Wed 22 Apr 20 20:18
Social media protocols - No FM2R
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>> When email first arrived in my domain, about 83 or 4 I think (VM/SP PROFS >> on 3270 displays for those who know) I can't remember exactly; VAXMail using a VT100 from about 82 and then Digital All-in-1 from about 84 on my newly arrived and far superior VT220. The most significant difference between mail systems being that management didn't read VAXMail, so it was a far less stressful place to be as no games were played. When All-in-1 came in the games began pretty soon after. |
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New Wed 22 Apr 20 19:42
Social media protocols - VxFan
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>> Why CC? >> >> If you're communicating with them then use To: Mostly the use of CC: is more >> a case of showing off. "Look how clever I am and what I said to >> our manager." >> >> I am not saying that was your motivation, but IMO your choice was inappropriate. You're about the only one (in fact actually the only one) I know who has this negative view about CC. I've never known anyone misuse it, and only use it for it's intended purpose. So, if you're in pub or restaurant for example, and there is a conversation going on nearby, do you completely isolate yourself from it so as not to hear what's being discussed? Maybe not the best example, I could give I grant you. >> BCC: can be used to hid email addresses on a mass mailing, of course. But >> that was not the usage i was talking of. I mean in an office/work environment >> where it is absolutely always for unpleasant reasons. I don't think I've ever come across anyone who's misused BCC in the workplace, or anywhere else come to that. You must have worked in some dodgy places in your time ;) Last edited by: VxFan on Wed 22 Apr 20 at 19:43
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New Wed 22 Apr 20 19:54
Social media protocols - Zero
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>> You're about the only one (in fact actually the only one) I know who has >> this negative view about CC. I've never known anyone misuse it, and only use it >> for it's intended purpose. You need to work in a large international company then. >> So, if you're in pub or restaurant for example, and there is a conversation going >> on nearby, do you completely isolate yourself from it so as not to hear what's >> being discussed? Maybe not the best example, I could give I grant you. Its a rubbish example >> I don't think I've ever come across anyone who's misused BCC in the workplace, or >> anywhere else come to that. How do you know? you have no idea who else is on the .bcc list. |
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New Wed 22 Apr 20 20:04
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>>>> I don't think I've ever come across anyone who's misused BCC in the workplace BCC is *ALWAYS* misused. >>>> You're about the only one (in fact actually the only one) I know who has >> this negative view about CC. So? What's the point? If everybody thought the same way as me then my market value would have been somewhat reduced. But in truth I am very far from the only one. The first link on a Google search... www.fastcompany.com/3050790/how-to-stop-getting-so-many-useless-emails >> I've never known anyone misuse it, and only use it >> for it's intended purpose. I don't really know how to reply to that, it reflects rather more on your experience than my opinions. Misuse of email is one of the most common problems in a company. But in the end we do different work and no doubt our experience or opinion is a result of what we do and the environments in which we do it. Internal emails are, by and large, an abomination. |
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New Thu 23 Apr 20 13:20
Social media protocols - Bromptonaut
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>> >>>> I don't think I've ever come across anyone who's misused BCC in the workplace >> >> BCC is *ALWAYS* misused. But not exclusively so. One boss of mine used to BCC me into emails. Mostly to do with public appointments. She thought I needed to know but was concerned others would see the issue as above my paygrade. >> >> Internal emails are, by and large, an abomination. All too easily the modern equivalent of management by memorandum. As a daily update or means of quickly getting consistent information to a group of people it's unbeatable. |
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New Thu 23 Apr 20 15:08
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>>But not exclusively so. One boss of mine used to BCC me into emails. Mostly to do with public >>appointments. She thought I needed to know but was concerned others would see the issue as >>above my paygrade. As I said; "BCC is *ALWAYS* misused" It was either the right thing to do, in which case do it openly. Or it was not the right thing to do, so don't do it at all. To do it using BCC is entirely inappropriate and extremely bad management. Imagine one of those legitimately on the email found out that you were being BCC'd. As a minimum the manager's credibility is gone, why would anyone trust her going forward? It would harm their view of you and probably your standing, and she would have had to ensure you were visibly in second place going forward to avoid suspicions of favouritism. >>As a daily update or means of quickly getting consistent information to a group of people it's unbeatable. On any routine email the information is typically valueless since the goal or job becomes the issuing of the email, not the sharing of knowledge. EMails rarely pass the SFW test. And all this rubbish detracts from the value and impact of those few emails that should be written. And don't get me started on the emails people save forever because for their level of competence just saving everything is easier than actually deciding what should be saved. The bureaucratic, rule-following game players are typically the ones with the largest email accounts. It's a report I often ask IT for - the league of EMail account sizes. It's a pretty good starting point. |
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New Thu 23 Apr 20 15:25
Social media protocols - sooty123
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But not exclusively so. One boss of mine used to BCC me into emails. Mostly >> to do with public appointments. She thought I needed to know but was concerned others >> would see the issue as above my paygrade. The mind boggles at the silly games involved in all that. |
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New Thu 23 Apr 20 15:39
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>> The mind boggles at the silly games involved in all that. Precisely. |
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New Wed 22 Apr 20 20:06
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>>>> So, if you're in pub or restaurant for example, and there is a conversation going >> on nearby, do you completely isolate yourself from it so as not to hear what's >> being discussed? How is that, is in any way whatsoever, relevant or similar then I will consider how to answer it. However my answer would be "Yes. Why would i listen to other people's conversations rather than having my own". Do you go to the pub with boring people? |
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New Wed 22 Apr 20 22:18
Social media protocols - Fullchat
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When I was working the CC was all part of the of the paranoia about 'Audit Trails'. I did get an email once from someone sat close by about something of very low importance. "Why didn't you just tell me". "Audit Trail" He replies with a serious face. The loud FFS was heard through out the office. |
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New Wed 22 Apr 20 22:13
Social media protocols - BiggerBadderDave
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"You're about the only one (in fact actually the only one) I know who has this negative view about CC. I've never known anyone misuse it, and only use it for it's intended purpose." If only I had the time to tell you about a project that has been going on since October and how appallingly handled it has been and I wish I could be specific and explain, but I can't really, obviously. But part of the reason why people were walking off is, in fact, email and particularly misuse of CC. The protocols on this project are abysmal to begin with and that is generating a huge amount of email traffic. Basically, the 6 or 7 key people are always kept in the email loop for no reason whatsoever, and when I've given a section to work on it comes to me via email which is ccd with 7 other people. Of course 7 other opinions rapidly follow, 'I suggest you do it like this, I suggest you do it like that'. Then the emails start bouncing all over the place all cc-ing everyone else. When I've done my bit I send a pdf to the director. She looks through it, mails it to various people who then bombard with me countless emails more contradictory opinions and more suggestions. All ccd between each other. More emails, conversations, opinions, suggestions. All ccd. And worse that any of that, so much of it was 'ok' or 'cheers' ccd to everyone. Every day, it got to the stage that it was lunchtime before I could work out the email trail, what was worth reading, what was worth acting on. A monumental waste of time. I resorted to writing down on paper anything worth keeping. And I billed them for every minute I spent wasting. It's like that grain of rice on the first square of a chess board theory. Double on the next, double on the next until the numbers are astronomical. That's what it is with email and the CC function. I'm paired with a copywriter - a fantastic person to work with and super efficient. She made it clear to the director that nobody must email BBD, she filters out all the crap so I will get a proper brief from her and nothing else. Without her, I would have told them to shove it. But even so, a lot of crap got to me. I've done my stuff on that project but she's still quite busy. I spoke to her the other day and the conversation went straight to how bad these people are with email. I joked, how many emails so far? She said 3,800 and she'd already given up filing their emails weeks ago. Truly appalling. The number of conversations where she was crying, doing nothing but trying to make sense of all this shank before finally working at 5.30 when they'd all gone home. One of the most frustrating things was they couldn't get their thoughts together, gather up their teams' opinions and ideas and then send one email. No. It would be one email 'can we change that colour?' then another email 'can you move that slightly to the right?' and '3 mm to the top'. On and on and on and on, all ccd to each other. Flurry of emails with pointless opinions. 'Red'. 'Light blue'. 'Pete says yellow but I prefer green. What do you think, Steve?' 'Cerise'. 'Custard yellow'. And I think that's what Mark said - it's about them just covering their aces. Just in case. Evidence and all that. Because the big client we're working for is up there in the litigious land of America. I deliberately would not CC after that. In fact I stopped replying full stop to much of it. They always forget in the end. Can't understand what they did all day anyway. Reading naffing emails. Wasting time. Wasting money. Causing stress. |
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