Non-motoring > Is Zero right ?	Miscellaneous
Thread Author: R.P.	Replies: 39

New Fri 21 Jan 11 22:35   Is Zero right ? - R.P.

ACDRNDICG TO RSCHEEARCH AT CMABRIGDE UINERVTISY, IT DSENO'T MTAETR WAHT OERDR THE LTTERES IN A WROD ARE, THE OLNY IPROAMTNT TIHNG IS TAHT THE FRSIT AND LSAT LTTEER BE IN THE RGHIT PCLAE. TIHS IS BCUSEAE THE HUAMN MNID DEOS NOT RAED ERVEY LTETER BY ISTLEF, BUT THE WROD AS A WLOHE. IF YOU CAN RAED TIHS, PSOT IT TO YUOR WLAL. OLNY 55% OF PLEPOE CAN Reply to this message | Report message

New Fri 21 Jan 11 22:38   Is Zero right ? - Bromptonaut

ITS LOOK AND SAY V POHINCS ININT? Reply to this message | Report message

New Fri 21 Jan 11 22:50   Is Zero right ? - RattleandSmoke

Yep because people don't read, they just skim. It is probably why I am such a poor speller, I don't actually read anything properly. Reply to this message | Report message

New Fri 21 Jan 11 23:03   Is Zero right ? - CGNorwich

To be pedantic 'research' has only one "C''and one "H' whichever order you care to place them in. :-) Reply to this message | Report message

New Fri 21 Jan 11 23:56   Is Zero right ? - Iffy

This was posted - or linked to - on here by someone a few months ago. ... cdnuolt blveiee that I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd what I was rdanieg. The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid, aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it dseno't mtaetr in what oerdr the ltteres in a word are, the olny iproamtnt tihng is that the frsit and last ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can still raed it whotuit a pboerlm. This is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the word as a wlohe. Azanmig huh? Yaeh and I awlyas tghuhot slpeling was ipmorantt! ... Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 22 Jan 11 00:53   Is Zero right ? - devonite

I can read the ftrst and last post clearer than a lot of the "normal" posts on here! ;-) Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 22 Jan 11 09:25   Is Zero right ? - Old Navy

Hopefully the pedants will argue about it amongst themselves and not bother the majority of tolerant people who realise that English is not everyones first language. Not everyone is well educated and using your education as a weapon against the less fortunate impresses no one. Last edited by: Old Navy on Sat 22 Jan 11 at 09:26 Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 22 Jan 11 10:45   Is Zero right ? - Bromptonaut

>> Hopefully the pedants will argue about it amongst themselves and not bother the majority of >> tolerant people who realise that English is not everyones first language. Not everyone is well >> educated and using your education as a weapon against the less fortunate impresses no one. I'm not sure the ability to read stuff like the OP is down to education ON. My mother spent many years teaching reading to kids who were classed, in the language of the time, as educationally sub-normal. Both her experience and academic study suggested that there are two ways people learn to read. Some learn to recognise the 'patterns' of letters in words and see the word as a whole. They grasp reading by a process of look and say and would scan and take in the OP reasonably easily. Others make up the words from the sounds of the letters & combine them to pronounce the words; phonics. She didn't think intelligence was much of a factor, just the way individuals minds worked. Even now at 84 & retired for 25 years she got very angry over the last governments insistence that so called synthetic phonics were the magic pass to reading. In fact she reckoned them to be uncomfortably close to the so called Initial Teaching Alphabet (ITA) that left thousands of sixties kids with reading difficulties. Last edited by: Bromptonaut on Sat 22 Jan 11 at 10:46 Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 22 Jan 11 10:57   Is Zero right ? - swiss tony

>> In fact she reckoned them to be uncomfortably close to the so called Initial Teaching Alphabet (ITA) that left thousands of sixties kids with reading difficulties. >> As one who suffered ITA, I agree 110% with her. I wouldn't say I suffer reading difficulties, but my spelling , although improved over the years, is nowhere near as good as I would like. Most issues with my spelling involve vowels...... Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 22 Jan 11 11:05   Is Zero right ? - Zero

>> Most issues with my spelling involve vowels...... Yes, they are now an officially endangered species. Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 22 Jan 11 11:08   Is Zero right ? - CGNorwich

>> >> >> Most issues with my spelling involve vowels...... >> >> Yes, they are now an officially endangered species. >> Mostly eaten by owels Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 22 Jan 11 11:10   Is Zero right ? - swiss tony

>> >> >> Most issues with my spelling involve vowels...... >> >> Yes, they are now an officially endangered species. >> rrly? thts nu 2 me, spse u mean coz txt spk? Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 22 Jan 11 12:13   Is Zero right ? - Clk Sec

>>rrly? thts nu 2 me, spse u mean coz txt spk? txt spk seems to be similar to Speed Writing. I remember the adverts many years ago on the London underground; something along the lines of ' yl gt a gd jb' if you enrol on our correspondence course. Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 22 Jan 11 14:14   Is Zero right ? - Ian (Cape Town)

>> rrly? thts nu 2 me, spse u mean coz txt spk? >> Congratulations, you have just earned an A-Level in Fckwt. Reply to this message | Report message       1

New Sat 22 Jan 11 12:25   Is Zero right ? - John H

>> tolerant people who realise that English is not everyones first language. Not everyone is In my experience, those who learn English as their second language usually have a very good grasp of the rules of English grammar and spelling - although their accent and pronunciation might make it difficult for us to understand what they are saying. Spelling is problem for those who learn to speak a non-phonetic language such as English as their mother tongue and then later have to learn to spell some words in a non-intuitive way. Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 22 Jan 11 09:36   Is Zero right ? - BiggerBadderDave

The eye also only reads the information from the top half of the x-height of a letter form so in theory you can place a piece of paper over the lower half of a line of text and read it as easily as if it weren't covered. But cover up the top half and it becomes unreadable. (x-height being the height of a lower case letter that has no ascenders or descenders) Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 22 Jan 11 09:43   Is Zero right ? - sherlock47

What I found interesting was that it was very easy to read the lower case missive from iffy but with the UC OP I found that I had to keep re-reading sections. Anyone else found the same? Maybe, on reading the BBD post, it is because we are generally exposed to a greater quantity of LC over a lifetime? Intersting to see what happens if you garble something in nonmother tongue, whether that is readable? Iffy - did you type that, or did you find a an automatic 'translation' site? Last edited by: pmh on Sat 22 Jan 11 at 09:44 Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 22 Jan 11 10:30   Is Zero right ? - Bigtee

Network rail have poster up in the stations same as that explaining where not taking abuse from passengers. I can read the above and these posters just fine amazing. Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 22 Jan 11 11:01   Is Zero right ? - Iffy

...Iffy - did you type that, or did you find a an automatic 'translation' site?... No, it was originally posted by forum member Duncan in June: www.car4play.com/forum/post/index.htm?v=e&t=1647&m=29927 Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 22 Jan 11 13:13   Is Zero right ? - Duncan

>> ...Iffy - did you type that, >> >> No, it was originally posted by forum member Duncan in June: >> >> www.car4play.com/forum/post/index.htm?v=e&t=1647&m=29927 >> I thought it rang a bell! Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 22 Jan 11 13:25   Is Zero right ? - Cliff Pope

>> What I found interesting was that it was very easy to read the lower case >> missive from iffy but with the UC OP I found that I had to keep >> re-reading sections. >> >> Anyone else found the same? >> I found the exact opposite. The upper case lines were dead easy, almost as easy as reading normal words. But the lower case example had ne stopping and wondering on accasions. Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 22 Jan 11 13:45   Is Zero right ? - hobby

Both the same for me, though I was surprised how easy they were to read! (It would take me far to long and use far too much brainpower to deliberately misspell this post though....) ;-) Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 22 Jan 11 15:13   Is Zero right ? - Tooslow

Yes I found the upper case one dead easy to read, the lower case one more difficult. I still don't understand what "post this on your wall" means though. John Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 22 Jan 11 15:27   Is Zero right ? - John H

>> Yes I found the upper case one dead easy to read, the lower case one >> more difficult. I still don't understand what "post this on your wall" means though. >> Facebook speak. see the car4play wall here www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=323915077390#!/group.php?gid=323915077390&v=wall Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 22 Jan 11 15:45   Is Zero right ? - Zero

Zero is always right, top bloke. Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 22 Jan 11 16:28   Is Zero right ? - madf

>> Zero is always right, top bloke. >> Sounds like Tony Blair giving his excuse for invading Iraq.. "I know I was right,,,, the voice of God told me" Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 22 Jan 11 16:34   Is Zero right ? - Tooslow

Talks to himself does he? John Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 22 Jan 11 16:38   Is Zero right ? - Clk Sec

>>Talks to himself does he? Only when he's shopping in Tesco. Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 22 Jan 11 16:42   Is Zero right ? - Iffy

...Only when he's shopping in Tesco... Or watching his Sky TV. Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 22 Jan 11 16:43   Is Zero right ? - Zero

I get Tourettes syndrome in Tesco... Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 22 Jan 11 18:00   Is Zero right ? - Tooslow

"I get Tourettes syndrome in Tesco..." Go to ASDA, you won't be noticed. John Last edited by: Tooslow on Sat 22 Jan 11 at 18:00 Reply to this message | Report message       1

New Sat 22 Jan 11 18:06   Is Zero right ? - Iffy

...Go to ASDA, you won't be noticed... Ooo, saucer of milk for the supermarket snobs. Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 22 Jan 11 20:48   Is Zero right ? - MD

Read it without a problem. Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 22 Jan 11 21:34   Is Zero right ? - AnotherJohnH

>> Read it without a problem. Ditto. And in answer to the subject line - almost always, yes. Reply to this message | Report message

New Sun 23 Jan 11 11:27   Is Zero right ? - Armel Coussine

I don't understand the title of this thread. Zero is a careless typist and (like a full professor I know well) a poor speller. But I've never noticed any extreme garbling in his posts. The subversion of all education, not just English but maths and history too, since the sixties by trendy, half-witted teachers and prattish politicians, under all governments, is a national disgrace and will cost this country dear. I can't understand how it has been allowed to happen. Reply to this message | Report message       3

New Sun 23 Jan 11 11:54   Is Zero right ? - Tooslow

AC is spot on. Education is highly politicised, perhaps something to do with the sort of people who are attracted to it? Meddling with a child's education for your own narrow ends, knowing that it will affect their entire life, is selfish and bordering on criminal. John Reply to this message | Report message       2

New Sun 23 Jan 11 12:31   Is Zero right ? - R.P.

AC Lack of imagination on my part. Zero said something a long time ago in another debate that spelling wan't that Important any more as long as the general mraning was conveyed. Reply to this message | Report message

New Sun 23 Jan 11 13:16   Is Zero right ? - Old Navy

I am not a good speller, that combined with two finger typing and brain and fingers getting out of sync makes a spell checker essential. :-) Reply to this message | Report message

New Sun 23 Jan 11 17:29   Is Zero right ? - VxFan

>> I am not a good speller, Eye halve a spelling chequer It came with my pea sea It plainly marques four my revue Miss steaks eye kin knot sea. Eye strike a key and type a word And weight four it two say Weather eye am wrong oar write It shows me strait a weigh. As soon as a mist ache is maid It nose bee fore two long And eye can put the error rite Its rare lea ever wrong. Eye have run this poem threw it I am shore your pleased two no Its letter perfect awl the weigh My chequer tolled me sew. Reply to this message | Report message

New Sun 23 Jan 11 17:40   Is Zero right ? - Old Navy

:-)))) Maybe I am a little better than I thought. Reply to this message | Report message