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New Sat 26 Mar 11 14:24
Trade Union Voting. - Zero
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Why you should never trust a trade union! I have just received a ballot paper to elect members of the Unite Executive Council Elections. I note it says, "the voting grid includes the candidates name, gender, & branch. Where applicable Black, Asian and Ethnic Minority candidates will be indicated" Why? what the hell, in a multicultural non racist country, does race need to be indicated? I assume its positive discrimination at work, but it could quite easily work against the candidate. Anyway, the real kicker here is I am not a member of the union, I left over a year ago. I am therefore ineligible to vote yet I have a voting paper to send off to be counted. I shall vote and then inform the Electoral Reform Society afterwards. |
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New Sat 26 Mar 11 14:37
Trade Union Voting. - Clk Sec
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| Was it delivered by Ups? |
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New Sat 26 Mar 11 14:47
Trade Union Voting. - R.P.
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| Positive Driscimation is now unlawful according to the bod that gave us (CAB) a lecture the other day. It's called Positive Action now which the way you describe that is certainly not the case there - what a load of left wing ever so PC cobblers. The colour of one's skin should not reflect the ability to do the job which I assume this bunch of socialist zealots want done with their members' hard earned cash. End of rant. It's a nice sunny day now and I'm going to the dump to sort through my own rubbish ! |
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New Sat 26 Mar 11 15:11
Trade Union Voting. - -
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It matters little who's got the top jobs at Anyunion Ltd, the tied at the hip with the Labour party syndrome will always be there with the influence that only money/power buys...it does keep the proletariat in their place onside with convincing propaganda too. From the goings on at local level i've witnessed over the last 30 odd years in my work, i've found a handful of stewards and local reps that try their best for the members they represent, whilst most feather their own nests first...(aided and abetted by employers who play the game the same way...scratching each others backs)...often doing well for their flock too, but sometimes selling them short for their own gain. |
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New Sat 26 Mar 11 15:16
Trade Union Voting. - Bromptonaut
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I'm sure the ethnicity thing is mentioned in ballots for my union, PCS, as well. It's up to the candidate whether to declare an ethnicity or not. Some seem to be trying to appeal to a particular 'constituency' amongst the membership. Others maybe think they're correcting any possible assumption based on their picture. As regards non-members this was the sort of thing that until recently would be grist to the employers mill in getting a strike ballot declared unlawful. The Court of Appeal has recently inserted some common sense into the area suggesting that parliament intended ballots to be unlawful where the errors were material not just minor discrepancies in records etc. The Labour party continued to send me ballots and stuff for more than a year after i resigned over Blair's rightward drift. |
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New Sat 26 Mar 11 15:23
Trade Union Voting. - Leif
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A slight aside, but I heard Bob Crow, the leader of a big union, on the R4 Any Questions programme last night. It was like going back in time to the 70s listening to that old style communist nut job. Frightening. In my job there is no union that I am aware of, and most people are somewhere between slightly right of centre and UKIP, with a few loony right wingers. Back on track, I agree that 'race' should not be on the form, and neither should gender. As a Leicester raised person, were I to stand for election in Leicester, could I describe myself as ethnic minority since I am white? That's not a snipe at Leicester asians, who I grew up with, but a snipe at the stupidity of forms like the one in the OP. |
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New Sat 26 Mar 11 15:29
Trade Union Voting. - R.P.
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Crowe speaks in that peculiar way that trade unionists of yore, a sort of stunted short sentenced way that I can't believe they actually engage in at home. Probably it's something that's on the curriculum at trade union school or something... He was brilliant (maybe not to him or his adoring fans though) on Have I Got News For You - Hislopp was in his element running rings round him and Crowe got irritated at one point...like a big lumbering old Labrador with a terrier at his heels.... |
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New Sat 26 Mar 11 15:37
Trade Union Voting. - Bromptonaut
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| Crowe is elected by his Members because he's a highly effective negotiator and representative. I wish Serwotka & his crew were half as much use. |
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New Sat 26 Mar 11 16:11
Trade Union Voting. - Stuu
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Ah the unions, what fun. I look forward to all the strikes, my generation hasnt experienced that kind of union power yet, I only remember what my dad told me about the 70's :-) nice to able to say that, being a child who grew up against the backdrop Thatchers reign. I filled in my census today. How intrusive, makes one question about race seem minor. |
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New Sat 26 Mar 11 19:20
Trade Union Voting. - R.P.
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"Crowe is elected by his Members because he's a highly effective negotiator and representative. I wish Serwotka & his crew were half as much use. " "As of 2009, Bob Crow's basic salary at RMT was £94,747; a 12% increase from the previous year. His entire pay package with bonuses and pensions was £133,183; on top of this he claimed £9,989 in expenses and £2,376 in travel costs, taking his total income to £145,548". according to Wiki of course. For a man who sees most things as a class issue he does very nicely for himself. At least it's not the taxpayer being screwed to fund him and his champagne lifestyle. |
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New Sat 26 Mar 11 19:29
Trade Union Voting. - -
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At least it's not the taxpayer being screwed to fund him and his >> champagne lifestyle. I seem to recall NuLab wanted the taxpayer to fund political parties (or at least their electioneering), only those who's views were approved presumably. I wonder where the political fund of union subs would end up then...paying 'approved' political party debts? |
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New Mon 28 Mar 11 09:10
Trade Union Voting. - DP
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And despite his six figure income, he lives in a council house. I don't suppose it has occurred to him that such a scarce resource might be better allocated to someone who genuinely needs it. I was listening to him on Any Questions, and had to turn it off. The man makes my blood boil! The dictionary definition of a hypocrite. |
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New Sat 26 Mar 11 16:19
Trade Union Voting. - John H
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>> should gender. As a Leicester raised person, were I to stand for election in Leicester, >> could I describe myself as ethnic minority since I am white? That's not a snipe >> Not yet. maybe after 2012, according to www.leicester.gov.uk/ "Ethnicity approximately 40% of Leicester’s population has an ethnic minority background and the city is projected to have a non-white majority population sometime after 2011 most, 26%, of Leicester’s minority ethnic population are Gujarati Indians, originally either from East Africa, especially Uganda and Kenya, or from Gujarat, India other smaller communities in the city include the African Caribbean and Somali communities, both at around 3% each, as well as Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, other African and a Chinese community. " Last edited by: John H on Sat 26 Mar 11 at 16:20
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New Sat 26 Mar 11 17:02
Trade Union Voting. - Leif
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John H said: >> Not yet. maybe after 2012, according to www.leicester.gov.uk/ Damn. A forum with educated users who check facts. Are you sure this is the internet? ;) Thanks. r.e. Bob Crowe, yes he must be a strong negotiator. On that programme he had a go at Boris Johnson for interrupting him. That amused me as Crowe had interrupted poor old Ann Leslie on numerous occasions, and more than once preventing her from giving her opinion on an issue because the bore objected to her views. It got rather tiresome. Like Pugugly, I do wonder what he is like at home. |
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New Sat 26 Mar 11 18:16
Trade Union Voting. - Duncan
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>> as Crowe had interrupted>> poor old Ann Leslie on numerous occasions, and more than once preventing her from giving >> her opinion on an issue because the bore objected to her views. >> "poor old Ann Leslie" Que? "the bore objected to her views" Que? However much I dislike Bob Crowe, he is just a beginner in the boredom stakes. That woman Leslie could bore for - er, think of a large country, right - China. |
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New Sat 26 Mar 11 18:26
Trade Union Voting. - Manatee
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I usually enjoy Ann Leslie's contributions. A bit to the right for me, but usually entertaining. Doesn't she write for a well known newspaper? |
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New Sat 26 Mar 11 19:03
Trade Union Voting. - Bromptonaut
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>> That woman Leslie could bore for - er, think of a large country, right - >> China. >> I suspect the word Leif meant to use was boor rather than bore!! |
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New Sat 26 Mar 11 19:09
Trade Union Voting. - Leif
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>> >> That woman Leslie could bore for - er, think of a large country, right >> - >> >> China. >> >> >> >> I suspect the word Leif meant to use was boor rather than bore!! Both would do, though I suppose boor would be more appropriate. |
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New Sat 26 Mar 11 19:13
Trade Union Voting. - Leif
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>> "poor old Ann Leslie" Que? >> >> "the bore objected to her views" Que? >> >> >> However much I dislike Bob Crowe, he is just a beginner in the boredom stakes. >> >> That woman Leslie could bore for - er, think of a large country, right - >> China. I disagreed with much of what Ann Leslie said, but I still wanted to hear what she had to say as healthy debate is part of our culture. And I don't like it when one person tries to shut others up as Crowe does. |
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New Sat 26 Mar 11 19:49
Trade Union Voting. - Chris S
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>> I note it says, "the voting grid includes the candidates name, gender, & branch. Where >> applicable Black, Asian and Ethnic Minority candidates will be indicated" >> This would backfire if the voters were BNP sympathisers, or even just ordinary white people who think they're getting a raw deal. |
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New Sat 26 Mar 11 21:15
Trade Union Voting. - Falkirk Bairn
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IIRC quite a bit of taxpayers' money goes to the Unions - the money is funnelled " to support education and training" of officials and local stewards etc. Surely the Union member's subs should be supporting the Union and Union training and not every Joe Public putting money into rail unions, Unite etc |
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New Sat 26 Mar 11 21:30
Trade Union Voting. - Londoner
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>> IIRC quite a bit of taxpayers' money goes to the Unions - the money is >> funnelled " to support education and training" of officials and local stewards etc. >> Yes, FB, the money used to go via the "Union Modernisation Fund". It has now been scrapped. This website explains how the scam worked. order-order.com/2010/09/24/labour-party-union-funding-scam-scrapped/ Of course the Tories are as bad as Labour, they just have different scams. A plague on all of them. |
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New Sun 27 Mar 11 22:53
Trade Union Voting. - Roger.
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No apologies at all for copying and pasting this priceless list of examples of public sector efficiency – even the union involved is sufficiently annoyed to have put it on their web site. * South Wales –Workmen have travelled from Manchester and Coventry for window repairs and heating engineers have come from Somerset. Local contractors could clearly carry out the job competently at a cheaper rate. * Gwent – Staff reported a blocked toilet and asked for a response in two hours. One month later and still no one had attended. A complaint was passed up the management chain. Finally an electrician attended but was unable to do the job because it required a plumber. Finally a plumber did attend and completed the job another three days later. * Cumbria – Staff report an office in Cumbria has just had two new catches put on its windows. The job was undertaken by two men from South Yorkshire over a seven day period including working a weekend. Staff report there was nothing much wrong with the windows anyway. * Gwent – Probation staff report that the helpdesk operators don’t seem to understand what they are saying. For example: Probation Officer “the cold water tap in the kitchen on the first floor is not working”: Operator “where is it located?”: Probation Officer “on the first floor”: Operator “is that in the kitchen?”. Another exchange is reported: Probation Officer “the manual security keypad on the door is not working”: Operator “is it electric?”: Probation Officer “no it is manual”. * North West – A hostel is charged £29.50 for 12 cartons of juice – £2.45 a carton – while the local Tesco charges 89p. The company also charges £25 for a catering size 750 gram tub of coffee, yet a similar purchase in the supermarket would cost £14.99. It also supplies the hostel with diluted orange juice (which is described as horrible) at £6 for three litres, yet three litres of juice from ASDA costs £2.99. The company charges £11 a kilo for lamb, while the local butcher charges £6. * South Yorkshire – A member of staff asked for a new keyboard in July 2010 because there current one was sticking. Later that same day it arrived in a taxi from Dunstable. The cost of the round taxi journey was at least £80. * Devon and Cornwall – Heating problems were reported from a hostel in Devon to Interserve. The first engineer arrived at 8.00pm having travelled from Nottingham and another turned up two hours later having come from Hereford. * Devon and Cornwall – Interserve were asked whether they could open a grit and salt bin in the car park as the pavement and access road where covered in snow and ice. The response was that they would get there after the thaw. * Wiltshire – Staff report that roofers came from Birmingham on two occasions to fix a porter cabin. Someone else came from Birmingham to fix a water heater. The window cleaners emanate from Plymouth and an engineer who came to mend a door handle travelled from Poole. * Thames Valley – Staff report that in early January 2011, one of the maintenance operatives drove all the way from Portsmouth to fix a light in one of the toilets. Staff say however that there was nothing wrong with the light and they couldn’t understand why the operative arrived. It was probably a mix-up over job numbers. * Leicestershire – two toilets were blocked at the local hostel. Staff estimated a maximum of an hour’s work but the plumber had to come from Norwich. * Devon and Cornwall – In September, following a request for maintenance, a man arrived and started work on a switch inside the door of the ladies toilet. He said the switch had been wrongly wired originally. He was also to fix a fan which was supposed to start whenever the light was switched on. He found that when that light was switched on or off, lights in adjacent offices also went on and off. It took another seven days to put it right. * Numerous other absurd examples were received by Napo including a 5amp fuse which was thought to have blown which had to go out for a quote and an operative then travelled a hundred miles to do the repair. In another example in South Wales, two people travelled to survey windows at a hostel and to fit safety catches and safety glass. At least one travelled from Newcastle upon Tyne and was involved in an overnight sta |
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New Mon 28 Mar 11 10:47
Trade Union Voting. - sooty123
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>> No apologies at all for copying and pasting this priceless list of examples of public >> sector efficiency – even the union involved is sufficiently annoyed to have put it on >> their web site. Private sector efficiency, I think you mean ;) They're all PFI maintenance contracts. |
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New Mon 28 Mar 11 11:12
Trade Union Voting. - Leif
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sooty123 said: >> Private sector efficiency, I think you mean ;) They're all PFI maintenance contracts. No, public sector inefficiency. The public sector negotiated contracts with the private sector. The latter are simply doing what they are paid to do. It is the public sector muppets who need prodding. You see the same thing with management consultants. They are all too willing to screw the public sector. Before Nu Labour came to power, management consultants gave free advice to Nu Labour. The payoff came when they got into power, and lo and behold they were awarded big contracts to work out how to 'improve' goverment. And surprisingly they recommended lots of work, which they were able to do, at a big price. As I say, the private sector will screw the public sector if the latter are sufficiently badly managed to allow it. The private sector is a lot more canny. |
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New Mon 28 Mar 11 11:16
Trade Union Voting. - sooty123
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| How do you know the above examples aren't more efficient? Maybe it's cheaper to have centralised maintance. |
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