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Continuing discussion of Microsoft's new operating system.
Last edited by: VxFan on Sun 9 Aug 15 at 19:39
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If your Outlook stops sending, run Command Prompt as Administrator and then enter the command SFC/scannow. Tnis will repair a couple of files which the upgrade seems to mess up. In Outlook 2013 you can also go File/Options/Add Ins and disable the Exchange add-in.
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Took me a while to work this out, so I thought I'd put it here in case anyone else needs to know...
Changing the default search engine in Microsoft Edge
Go to the search engine’s website. [e.g. www.google.co.uk]
In the browser window click on "..." in the top right corner. (More Actions)
click Settings
click View Advanced Settings
Scroll down to "Search in the address bar with"
Click on it and choose "Add New"
The web address you are on will be shown.
Select it and click "Add as default".
Last edited by: No FM2R on Fri 31 Jul 15 at 12:52
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Thanks for the links to the direct download of W10.
I now have a bootable CD in reserve, as obviously, the recovery partitions on our laptops will revert to W8, if we have to use that facility.
Oddly enough, I had my W10 as an ordinary upgrade, while my wife, who reserved W10 at the same time is still waiting for hers!
She's grumpy about it :-)
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Well the update went ahead as scheduled, I did'nt need to touch anything! - couple of nervous moments while it was configuring at 33 and 66% when it seemed to freeze for about 5mins, with no activity.
Now on 10 and all seems fine, though there is a few "snooping" settings to switch off. First impressions? Think I may like this!!
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Does Windows 10 use the same Windows defender as 8.1?
Reason I ask is a large update KB2267602 keeps reappearing, and that is a cumulative definition update that will bomb out as the PC is already up to date. If I run the troubleshooting program in Control Panel, it goes away, but this week, doesn't stay fixed. I could hide it, but I wonder if that would also stop the regular and small updates to defender.
If W10 uses something else or is sufficiently different - that will fix the issue for me I think.
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yes, and you can't turn it off! - it says if it;s off too long it will turn itself back on!
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So it calls itself 'Defender', but I wonder if it's really the same. Would save me a bit of bother if updating to W10 fixed the issue.
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>> If your Outlook stops sending, run Command Prompt as Administrator and then enter the command SFC/scannow.
Ta muchly. Oddly it worked after upgrading to Win 10, but a couple of days later although the sent items folder was showing that I had sent emails, none had actually been sent at all. Trying the above method still didn't resolve it, but it did give me some pointers to do a web search, which also suggested running Office diagnostics afterwards. Problem now fixed. Just need to sort out the other problem which I've asked further down this thread.
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>>...and then enter the command SFC/scannow.>>
Just to be pedantic, but in fact accurate, it's:
sfc/ scannow
Note the space...:-)
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Well Mr P Dant!! :-)
I had intended a space but it got lost in the edit.
However it works either way...
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>> However it works either way...
Yep, I never bothered with the space and it worked for me.
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Useful Tip!: Device manager, msconfig etc are hidden away in
Notification tab (on task bar)
all settings -> system -> about (bottom of list) -> scroll down -> related settings -> advanced admin tools.
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Thanks for that. hadn't tried to track those down yet, generally I only use regedit, msconfig and compmgmt which I fire up via windows key + 'R' then typing them in the 'run' box.
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Windows key + X has most stuff hidden in it.
I put it on my laptop. Wish I hadn't. It's not finished yet and Edge is painfully slow.
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I didn't use Edge much other than to check it out and decide "meh".
But my PC was irritatingly slow and jerky for about 12 - 18 hours after the upgrade. I know some of that was down to updates, device drivers and search indexing, but it was still frustrating.
Now, though, its just fine. It was W7 before and its certainly no slower than that, perhaps a little better.
I did find that for reasons I never checked or investigated, or even verified, that when Cortana was switched on it seemed to have a detrimental impact.
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>> I did find that for reasons I never checked or investigated, or even verified, that
>> when Cortana was switched on it seemed to have a detrimental impact.
Funny how "Cortana: STFU and uninstall yourself" is not understood.
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>{Funny how "Cortana: STFU and uninstall yourself" is not understood.
Which is strange because it must be one of the most common commands.
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My computer, and No 1's, have W7 licences purchased in the UK.
Wife & No 2 have W8.1 & W7 respectively purchased in Chile.
It refused to install/enable Cortana or Web Search for the two from here although on the two from the UK it worked just fine, although they were all upgraded here.
No great loss, of course, but I wonder why not? I wonder what it is about Cortana & Search that stops them releasing them in South America.
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>> No great loss, of course, but I wonder why not? I wonder what it is
>> about Cortana & Search that stops them releasing them in South America.
Language I guess
Cortana is only currently available on Windows 10 for the United States, United Kingdom, China, France, Italy, Germany, and Spain.
No idea why they can't make the Spanish Cortana available in Chile.
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Is it a function of the origin of the CoI only, or a combination of the IP address location and CoI?
I just wonder if you used a VPN to do the upgrade whether it would work?
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I read a statement from Microsoft pertaining to another matter that said something to the effect of every version of W10 contains every version of W10. It is just that some parts are enabled and some are not, depending on country, licence, language etc.
As far as I can see it must be something within the Machine being upgraded. Two of ours were upgraded with the same USB stick, one ended up with Cortana enabled and one did not.
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P.s. thanks for windows key + X tip.
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This could be useful. From today's Independent:
tinyurl.com/p5v2qzm
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>> This could be useful. From today's Independent:
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>> tinyurl.com/p5v2qzm
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I've just fired off an email to Microsoft complaining bitterly about that. No porn has appeared on my screen and I demand to know why.
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>>>P.s. thanks for windows key + X tip. <<<
You can also get to the menu by Right clicking on the Windows Start Button.
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Just upgrading my Father in Law's computer.
It failed and gave the error message "Algo paso" - Something happened.
That's got to be the worst error message ever.
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>> That's got to be the worst error message ever.
Nope, that belongs to OS2
OS/2 !! SYS01475
You got that informative message if you left your non bootable data diskette in the a drive.
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VMS 4.*
"Saveset must be first element of list".
I never did find out what it was originally intended to mean but it actually meant "Something happened".
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>> Just upgrading my Father in Law's computer.
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>> It failed and gave the error message "Algo paso" - Something happened.
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>> That's got to be the worst error message ever.
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...some years ago I was told that, if the avionics systems failed on an Airbus, autopilot would be disengaged and the message "Please Wait" would be displayed on the instrumentation panel.
I found it difficult to believe, but research at the time indicated there may be an element of truth in it.
I think the pilot(s) would rapidly discover that adrenaline was brown. ;-)
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Hmm - started to install W10 on my wife's Sony Vaio, but could not see, after booting from the CD, an option to upgrade rather than install fully.
Not wanting to incur her undying wrath if this led to losing all her data etc. I quickly exited set-up!
Does this installation from the W10 disc (burnt from the links provided here) really perform a full clean install, or have I missed something?
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Don't boot from it.
Boot normally, then insert the disk and start setup.
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Sony have issued a warning to NOT upgrade install W10- due to driver issues.
esupport.sony.com/p/os10upgrade.pl?prods/PCVW10/
Historically drivers for some older VAIO models have caused problems.
Last edited by: sherlock47 on Mon 3 Aug 15 at 12:54
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Sony have always had issues with device drivers, and always been at the forefront of upgrade problems for as long as I could remember. Probably why they gave up on laptops.
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Historically the reason quoted by Sony not to upgrade from Windows 8 to 8.1 quantifies the problems I had perfectly. But all was sorted by updating the screen and bluetooth/wifi drivers and the needed drivers were on the board manufacturers web sites, just not the Sony one.
I've still not been offered W10, but I may disregard Sonys warning as the W8.1 update process is not working properly (hidden updates won't stay hidden) and although there is a highly technical possible solution, if W10 fixes the issue, it would be far simpler. If this doesn't work, I've lost nothing and the fact the defender update process is bust, is of no concern anyway - I don't use defender anyway.
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>> I've still not been offered W10
But you can download and install it using the link.
I am going to install on a virtual machine tonight.... Wasting time as I copy things over from old to new work laptop. Pleased with it so far. Nowhere near are well built or robust as a Macbook!
I ran the Windows speediest thingy on it and reran on the desktop PC. Apart from disks (desktop has SSDs and the laptop hybrid SSD/HDD) the laptop is seen to be quicker for everything. My desktop is not slow (Core i7 2600K, 16GB RAM, Nvidia 660GT). But the laptop has an Nvidia Quadra GPU of some sort and a Core i7 8 threaded CPU as well. Time to order the 16GB extra RAM to make it really useful.
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Found out the reason for my earlier downloads not working by failing to recognise legitimate Product Keys - they are both OEM versions.....!!
So I used this link for the Windows 10 Media Creation Tool:
windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-10/media-creation-tool-install
More help and details at:
tinyurl.com/pls8mk5
if it is of use to anyone.
Also just found this:
www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/easily_retrieve_your_windows_product_key.html
Last edited by: Stuartli on Mon 3 Aug 15 at 18:45
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>> I've still not been offered W10
But you can download and install it using the link.
Oh yes, but I was going to leave it for about 10 days anyway, let all you gamma testers find and solve the tricky bits for me, :o)
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>Sony have always had issues with device drivers, and always been at the forefront of upgrade problems..
Sony after-sales support is non-existent.
I have a Sony HDD/DVD recorder (now in the loft) with a buggy user interface that was the subject of many complaints but Sony refused to update the firmware to fix the problems.
Similarly, I have a Sony HX9V camera that is a pretty good camera but suffers from far too aggressive jpeg compression. A concerted effort by users in the US to get what should be a quite simple fix has been ignored.
It's the last Sony product I will buy.
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To answer my own question;
Everything conceivably available in W10 is built into W10. Depending on your licence, your location and other stuff it decides what you can use and what you cannot not.
Insofar as Cortana is concerned that means this...
You must be in one of;
China, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, United Kingdom, and United States.
You must use one of these languages;
Chinese (Simplified), English (U.K.), English (U.S.), French, Italian, German, and Spanish
And the following settings must all be set to compatible answers (e.g. all the same language)
Languages (this is the device language)
Speech language (language pack must be installed)
Country or region
And all those items are configurable.
Last edited by: No FM2R on Mon 3 Aug 15 at 22:17
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>>And all those items are configurable.
Perhaps I wasn't clear.
All those items are configurable and are not verified by a PC and thus you can set them to anything you want, if you want Cortana. (I guess they may be checked by a phone)
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>>>You must be in one of;
China, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, United Kingdom, and United States.<<<<<
So how come some of your machines worked? Were you using a VPN to spoof location?
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Agh..... you then said that all options are configurable. So YOU tell it where you are ?
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>>So YOU tell it where you are ?
Yes.
And because two of them are in English, with English keyboards, using google.co.uk etc etc. they got set to the English/UK by chance and without thinking about it carefully.
Last edited by: No FM2R on Tue 4 Aug 15 at 10:18
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Smokie, if you can be a***d, perhaps its work starting a W10 Tips & Tricks thread and moving a few notes from here to that?
Or another Mod, just that Smokie started this one.
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That would be handy, I have 4 machines to do when I finally get offered it!
Must fire a couple of them up to see if the offer is there yet.
Pat
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My desktop has now tried five times and failed to upgrade to Windows 10.
Do I leave it alone, or what?
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>> My desktop has now tried five times and failed to upgrade to Windows 10.
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>> Do I leave it alone, or what?
I'd take the or what option
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One of Mine has just been offered the upgrade pressing the button
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Sit back and relax it says!
Some chance, I am making 40 scones for someones retirement tea party at the same time!
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And this is being typed on MS edge on Windows 10. It installed in about an hour on a 6 year old AUSU G2S laptop that has been upgraded from its base of Vista, through 7, 8, 8.1 and now 10. It is certainly no slower than it ever was on Vista. Been no issues with the install it just went ahead and did it while I was baking a barrow load of scones.
At the point where it askes you to do an express set up (when you first log in to your new Win 10 machine) I declined and did a custom set up. Pretty glad I did - I was quite alarmed at the amount of stuff that MS wants to steal from you, snoop on you, share everything you have with the world and his dog, and dump crap on you. All those options turned off.
Quite like edge, and the pop up blocker works well.
Will play for a while.
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>> I declined and did a custom set up.
I wish I'd done that. But I think I caught everything retrospectively.
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>> I wish I'd done that. But I think I caught everything retrospectively.
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So do I. How do you alter it?
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start /settings / privacy
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Not happening today as I've got to go out this morning, but the laptop is now offered the W10 update through the Windows Update part of control panel.
Might set it off this evening though, failing that, tomorrow.
As sure as eggs are eggs (are they?) it's bound to want me to click something, with no offer of just get on with it and stop messing about!
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I downloaded it from the link and put it on a virtual machine yesterday. Not looked at it much yet.
You don't have to wait for the invite. I'm not sure I'll install it on my PC yet. But I don't use it for much anyway.
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how annoying!! - I think I may well be missing something somewhere! -pressing the F12 key at startup still brings up the boot menu options, but the F8 key which used to bring up the "safe mode" options doesn't anymore, it appears that I have to boot into normal windows, enter settings -> update and security -> recovery -> advanced startup, then I have to restart to open the menu options -> select "safemode" and then reboot, then it will start in "safemode".
All very well if your computer will start in normal mode! - I've known several instances where starting in safe has been the only option to get into it! - hope some body can come up with a usable alternative way to start it!!!
Meanwhile till I find my way around, I've found a use for those annoying tiles! - I i've stuck a few of the harder to find diagnostic tools in them! so at least I can find them again!
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One poor bloke has had rather unfortunate consequences as a resulting of upgrading to Windows 10..:-)
tinyurl.com/oghra3x
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Finally downloaded to the laptop today and duly installed. After a week of using it on the desktop I would not want to switch back to any earlier system.
This one's a goer.
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>>This one's a goer.
It really is. Dead impressed.
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>>This one's a goer.
As the Bishop said to the actress.
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Have to say, its no bad. I can see the main home machine getting an upgrade from 7 to 10
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And the lappy at SP towers is now updated. Download took a predictable amount of time, but the actual installation took longer than I thought, not helped by the machine getting stuck on the last step, had to give it a kick :o).
Glad I did a custom installation though, there's a lot of MS snooping in W10; all turned off.
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Glad I did a custom installation though, there's a lot of MS snooping in W10; all turned off.>>
Very true.
It's also worth going through services.msc to see what is worth allowing or not allowing...:-)
Windows 10 boots up in a third of the time on my desktop as with Windows7 and I'd used every trick in the book to try and speed 7 up (pun intended!!)
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Downloaded and installed this morning.
It's ok. It's an operating system.
Dunno what all the fuss is about....
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>> Glad I did a custom installation though, there's a lot of MS snooping in W10; all turned off.>>
This is one of two anti-snooping apps that were released yesterday:
www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/destroy_windows_10_spying.html
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>> This is one of two anti-snooping apps that were released yesterday:
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>> www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/destroy_windows_10_spying.html
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I don't get it. What's the problem?
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>>I don't get it. What's the problem? >>
If you have to ask.......:-)
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If Stuartli needed to ask the question, then surely he's entitled to a sensible answer - not that I can give it to him.
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Here at last. pressing the go button now.............
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>> Here at last. pressing the go button now.............
And back again. No dramas. I see what you lot mean about MS snooping and all that. I used the custom set up.
I hate Edge, so have reverted back to IE.
I hate the new sounds.
No doubt I'll find other new stuff I don't like either.
I like my old slippers too much.
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Which is why some of us have looked at it on a test machine. Even though my main personal systems are actually Macs (one dual boots to Windows), I would not automatically update a main machine.
I am surprised how much Windows 10 can send to Microsoft by default! It seems a bit shocking if true.
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>>If Stuartli needed to ask the question, then surely he's entitled to a sensible answer - not that I can give it to him.>>
I haven't asked the question. Do keep up..!!
There's yet another aid to avoid doing it all manually...:-)
www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/windows_10_tracking_disable_tool.html
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>> I don't get it. What's the problem?
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Presumably there is an option to share anonymous data only when you are on WiFi if you're that way inclined?
I don't know if it is possible to get an unlimited mobile data tariff, most have some limit.
Roaming could give you an unwanted surprise if inadvertently switched/left on
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I've got a netbook running Win7 starter that came with German as it's default language. I updated the language pack manually, not an option in the non-Business/ultimate versions of 7.
If I go to 10 will this revert to German with no option to switch meaning more jiggery-pokery required?
Yes, I could just fork out for an upgrade but where's the fun in that? Plus it's a netbook with an Atom 1.6GHz processor, my 3 year old phone has a more powerful processor.
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I don't know for sure, but I don't think so.
As far as i can tell it only checked which version, not which language.
In the upgrades/installs I did the language appeared to be selectable. And I cannot remember for sure, but I think I used the same download for a Spanish language PC and an English one.
Last edited by: No FM2R on Thu 6 Aug 15 at 21:12
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As it's now free they've probably moved to user chooser. Thanks.
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>> I've got a netbook running Win7 starter that came with German as it's default language.
Normally you get asked to choose a language the first time you boot up - I bought my netbook from Amazon.de , it asked the language, and I chose English (the laptop that I'm typing this on was built in German by a local chappie). AFAIK, all Windows 7 installations came with all languages, but it's only the top version (can't recall the name) that enables you to change the language on the fly - with the others, once you've made your choice, you're stuck with it.
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Thanks Mike. My PC was originally Vista, again German was the installation language. In 2013 I bought a copy of W7 ultimate and a new SSD drive which was freshly formatted and W7 installed on. Selected English as the display language but somewhere in the background the system still defaults to German. Shutdown messages, cleanup and rebuild messages post update are all in German.
It's not an issue for me I just like to try and understand why my PC is doing what it is.
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So what's your opinions?
I'm seriously thinking of reinstalling Classic Shell and I understand that and its commercial rival are getting quite a lot of new users who are still unhappy with the W10 start menu and the lack of customisation options.
For me - calling the programs 'apps' does not turn them into one (thankfully) and the inability to organise programs into sensible groups is a major failing. For example, I have at least four image manipulation programs, and the group before was called 'Art packages'. Want to muck about with an image - something there ought to do it. Same with 'Website tools'.
Dear Microsoft
I could not give a stuff about your weather app, I've got a window I can look out of...
rgds Slidingpillar
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Not customisable?
Well for a start, click on start / all progams and you see exactly the list you would expect to see and click on them exactly how you would expect to from W7 etc. days.
You also get the tiles. You can delete some, or all of them. You can add some or none to them.
You can put them in groups in the tile space, and you can give them a title.
You can change the tile space to non-existent, small, the entire screen or anything in between. You can change the tiles into various sizes and you can have as many or as few groups of whatever size you wish.
What on earth do you want to do which isn't covered in there somewhere?
W8 was awful, but with W10 I think that they've done an outstanding job of both under the bonnet and visual interface.
The Privacy thing needs thinking about, but mostly that's increased visibility not increased activity.
Every program I have continues to work and the upgrade was pretty easy.
10/10 I'd say.
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>>Every program I have continues to work and the upgrade was pretty easy.
10/10 I'd say.>>
After two separate installations, I have to agree.
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>> >>Every program I have continues to work and the upgrade was pretty easy.
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>> 10/10 I'd say.>>
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Whilst I can't see the point in rolling it out to any other home machines I was pleasantly surprised at how painless the upgrade was, and how straightforward it was to make the desktop / start menu look how I wanted. Having just bought myself a cheapo Windows smartphone I'd better get used to the 'tiles' way of doing things I suppose :-)
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Well for a start, click on start / all progams and you see exactly the list you would expect to see and click on them exactly how you would expect to from W7 etc. days.
Never had a W7 machine, Vista then W8-8.1 with Classic Shell is my route.
True it's all there, but presented in an unalterable way (unless you uninstall the silly apps) and without control over the groups names; just an alphabetical list. Also you can't nail frequently used programs ahead of the last used ones.
It's so nearly there as a 'start menu', which probably makes it worse.
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>> Never had a W7 machine, Vista then W8-8.1 with Classic Shell is my route.
So in effect you want Microsoft to go back 8 years. Sorry mate its not going to happen, I would suggest you are grasping for historical straws.
I wouldn't bother upgrading if i were you.. ever. You are not going to like the future.
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add rude word of own choice
There is nothing wrong I can detect yet with W10, apart from the half hearted attempt at a start menu. If one could customise it so 'apps' appeared in groups of ones own choosing, I'd be happy. It's almost as if MS said to itself, "we'll throw then this and then they'll go away, as nanny know best".
I'm certainly not the only person who thinks thus:
tinyurl.com/nw7qmqp
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>> It's so nearly there as a 'start menu', which probably makes it worse.
Its exactly there for me and it seems very logical.
You should continue to use Classic Shell if you prefer it that way. There's no reason why nott, at least for the foreseeable future.
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Since upgrading to Win 10, every time I click on a url link in an email it asks me "How do you want to open this?"
Underneath are a series of options.
1. "Keep using this App (Internet Explorer)"
2. "Featured in Windows 10 (Microsoft Edge)"
3. "Other Options" - followed by several other web browsers that are also on my PC.
Despite telling it to keep using Internet Explorer, AND ticking the box "Always use this App", next time I click on a link I get asked the same stupid question again.
It doesn't seem to remember my choice, regardless telling it to.
Anyone else have this same problem, or give me some pointers to sort it out?
Cheers.
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Find default prgrams and set the default there.
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P.S. in the car now, if the hint wasn't enough I'll give more details when back at my computer.
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>> Find default prgrams and set the default there.
1st place I looked and checked. Obviously the dialog box is taking no notice of the "Always use this App" tick box. Hopefully it's just a Win 10 glitch and a patch will be issued for it.
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So you went to Control Panel > Programs > Default Programs > Set Defaults Programs?
In which case I've no idea because it works just fine for me.
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>> So you went to Control Panel...........
Yep.
No matter what attachment I try and open; whether it be a url, pdf, a word doc or excel spreadsheet, I get the same pop up box asking what "App" I would like to use to open it. Like I said, it doesn't seem to remember me ticking the "Always use this App" box.
I'll have another play with the settings, and perhaps a google to see if anyone else is having the same problem.
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Dunno what to suggest then Dave, it works for me just fine.
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This is very odd. If I select one of the other choices of web browser, it remembers it and I don't get the prompt again. If I then revert it back to Internet Explorer in Control Panel > Programs > Default Programs > Set Defaults Programs, then I get the prompt again and despite telling it to remember it, it doesn't.
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Like I said, it doesn't seem to remember me ticking the "Always use this App" box.
I've met this too, but with Windows 8.1 and Vista! Limited scope though as I've only had it with downloads, not on files on my own hard drive etc.
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I had opted to 'reserve' it on my laptop and the desktop that we both use but which she regards as 'her' machine.
I had no intention of installing it until I had checked out any likely problems AND done an up-to-date back up.
This morning I went to the desktop to update my business accounts to find it 83% complete with updating W10! Apart from anything else I was surprised that it had managed to download 3+GB on our 1mbps connection.
The boss had set it off without mentioning it. I was panicking in case it killed the PC or wouldn't work properly with Quickbooks, and I might have said something a bit rude. Anyway it seems to work OK.
Haven't really explored it further yet. I'll give it a week or two before I consider updating the laptop - I now know that it has completed the download, but that didn't surprise me as it has been somewhere with a fast connection a couple of times this week.
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I am not upgrading from Windows 7 yet.
My policy is not to upgrade until I get hold of OS installation disk - so that I can do a clean install whenever I wish.
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>> My policy is not to upgrade until I get hold of OS installation disk -
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You will have to pay for it then.
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Just upgraded.
Started at 6.00am.
Walked away.
Finshed by 7.00am
Typed this on Chrome at 7.12am
First Microsoft Upgrade with no hassle, issues and no relearning.
Wonderful - so far.
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'Notify to schedule restart' is ticked.
MS utterly ignores it and schedules a restart where the machine will definitely be off.
You never learn do you MS? Alienate your customers cos Nanny knows best.
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Windows 10 Outlook issue - smokie