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 Labour's manifesto - No FM2R
Yes, yes, very clever and also totally irrelevant.

One has to return to the actual problem and understand what problem one is trying to solve.

If it is that Family A would really like a home in a house like Family B have worked for, then by all means give them a house. (however you choose to finance it).

If it is that Family A need accommodation and don't currently have it, then whilst giving them a house may be a great solution for them, it doesn't help anyone else.

And, like all sensible people, Family A will spend within their disposable income. How will they now leave the provided house? Obviously some use it as a springboard, but most do not.

Consequently any hope of retrieving and reusing a house is, in the real world, unlikely and rare.

Current unemployment in the UK is 3.8%. I just looked. And that is in reality far too low. What it also means is that pretty much anybody who can work and wants to work has got a job. I'm sure you all know some wounded exception, but they are the exception.

I have zero sympathy for anybody who simply doesn't want to work, they can sleep in the gutter for all I care and we need to do our best to stop them taking up resources which others deserve.

So, why can unemployed people who wish to be employed not get a job? And why can employed people not obtain accommodation?

Because presumably that's the two problems we have, and to conflate them is probably a mistake. Certainly they require different solutions.

I separate entirely people who *cannot* work. That is a whole different care system, though my definition is somewhat more pragmatic than the wounded souls is so many left wing councils.

More jobs is surely a factor of growing commercial operations (not something the Labour idiots can be trusted with) and growing NHS, Police, and other state run organisations (not something the Conservative idiots can be trusted with.

Clearly certain employment injustices and contract anomalies need to be dealt with. Minimum hours per month, for one. Perhaps employer penalties for low hours contract. Within reason, one doesn't want to damage genuine part time work.

And so much more around job creation. And worthwhile job creation at that.

Then there is accommodation affordability. - more affordable housing and much heavier taxation on unoccupied homes and multiple home ownership.

[sorry, loads more to say, been called away. Later...........................]
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