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 HS2 costs out of control, says review - Manatee
That sounds naive, just no offence intended. This isn't a yes or no answer.

Opposition is there to scrutinize and challenge, in parliament, and no doubt will. You might also have noticed that the Cons at the moment are behaving like the opposition, not only continually attacking Labour but making up lies to do it. I'd give them nothing that wasn't carefully thought out and tested.

As it happens, I'm pretty sure the simple "business case" hasn't added up for a long time. On that basis London to Birmingham should probably also be cancelled.

Sunak says the facts have changed. They changed a long time ago. This idea goes right back to Gordon Brown, when the cost estimate was no more than £25bn IIRC. Sunk cost is about £10bn and writing that off could be our least loss. North of Brum it's probably a billion, a mere 1/37th of the failed track and trace exercise, so by pure logic we should probably at least put it in abeyance while a proper decision is made.

You're using this to characterise KS but really there's no need for Labour to add a knee jerk reaction to the debate this week or next.

The Cons are now routinely minimising parliamentary scrutiny. The first response from Labour must be to probe the proposals that have been dressed out with a bundle of at least partly recycled promises. There really is no plan - the point is the electioneering action man propaganda. It defies belief that they would cancel a national infrastructure project just to pursue a populist agenda of course but I'm sure it has a bearing on the timing, the carpy process and the manner of the announcement.

While the 12 year old SPADs in no. 10 are making up non existent policies to cancel and writing the culture war script, Sunak is also fighting a leadership challenge. His biggest enemies are Truss, Braverman, Badenoch, Patel and a considerable number of his own MPs. I doubt whether Labour has much to gain by lowering itself to the same level. There seems to be about 25% of the voters who make up the faithful, and Labour is unlikely to make inroads there. Save the ammunition.

Best let them get on with it. Surely only the dim and deluded are fooled by Sunak's poor attempt at personating Johnson.

Apology for the stream of thought.
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