Has anyone ever used these filters or know of them?
If i look on Eurocar parts the oil filter for my car is this one
tinyurl.com/cayxqlp
If i look on carparts for less ,which looks like the same site as Eurocar parts,the same filter comes up with same part number but is over 3 pounds cheaper.
tinyurl.com/brj7s4v
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Carparts for less *is* Euro car parts under a different name the goods are the same but CP4L is cheaper
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Good find. Crosland filter for MX5 is £3.59 vs. £5.28. Both free delivery.
However - can't speak for the filters. There have been all sorts of stories in the past about cheap generic filters lacking non-return valves or even filtration media. Crosland filters is now only a brand, owned by ECP - Sogefi, who discontinued the brand in in 2010, have "distanced themselves" from it.
I can't find anything on Guttmann.
You would just have to trust that ECP are not selling substandard parts.
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Used to get Crosland filters from the Northampton Diesel workshops at one time, very good quality they were but this is over 20 years ago.
Mann and Hummell from my local factor seem to be as good as any now available, my chosen alternative to OE..
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Guttmann filters are made in Bulgaria.
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>> Used to get Crosland filters from the Northampton Diesel workshops at one time, very good
>> quality they were but this is over 20 years ago.
Was that the diesel specialist then housed on Gambrel Rd near the Weedon Road Sainsbury?
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Thats the one Brompton, don't know if its still there but it used to house some very good chaps, an excellent Diesel workshops.
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Guttmann is another Mr Singh special. Much of the stuff is from India despite sounding German. They also sell Indian brake parts made by Eicher - named so because it was originally an importer and assembler of German farm machinery.
Their Triple QX oil is made by Onyx Oil in the Netherands though.
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Orderd a Guttmann and a Crosland oil filter in the end from carparts4less and will fit the Guttmann first and see how it goes if any problems will fit the other filter and report back.
Also bought a Crosland air filter grand sum for all three was £13.31 with free delivery.
Orderd at 8pm Sunday arrived this afternoon at 1.30 via Yodel wasn't home at time but neighbour took it in. Got a text about an hour later to say parcel has been deliverd and left with neighbour at no17 nice touch.
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Have you opened the boxes to see if they came from the same factory?
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There both black and look the same but what the internals look like i dont know. On the Guttmann box it say's
Distributed Exclusively in the UK by
Euro car parts LTD
Fulton Road,Wembley IND EST
Wembley
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>> There both black and look the same but what the internals look like i dont
>> know. On the Guttmann box it say's
>> Distributed Exclusively in the UK by
>> Euro car parts LTD
>> Fulton Road,Wembley IND EST
>> Wembley
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Check out Euro's part numbers, they should be the same BAR the last digit.
That (used to?) denote the quality of the part..
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> Check out Euro's part numbers, they should be the same BAR the last digit.
>> That (used to?) denote the quality of the part..
You are correct the numbers are the same except the last one, the Guttmann ends in a 1 the crosland ends in a 8 and there is also another filter which Euro call's premium that has the same part number as other two but the last one ends in a 7,
A couple others have completly different numbers
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>> > Check out Euro's part numbers, they should be the same BAR the last digit.
>> >> That (used to?) denote the quality of the part..
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>> You are correct the numbers are the same except the last one, the Guttmann ends in a 1 the crosland ends in a 8 and there is also another filter which Euro call's premium that has the same part number as other two but the last one ends in a 7, A couple others have completly different numbers
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That is how you tell the quality of a Euro part.
The base number is normally the same, the last digit is the manufacturer, the higher the number the better the part... (easier to up- or down-sell)
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These are the three oil filter options for my car from Eurocarparts:
501745358 - £15.00 - Crosland
501745351 - £12.60 - Guttman
501745357 - £17.10 - No Brand - Premium Quality Oil Filter
By your reckoning, swiss tony, the mid priced one is the best quality. The "Premium Quality" one has the exact same picture alongside the description as the Guttman filter - and you can clearly see the name "Guttman" on both. Is that an error, or do we think they're selling the same thing at two different price points under two different descriptions?
Hmm.
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Looking for some parts the other day, they are a bit approximate with some of their pictures.
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Usually somewhere on the web page it will say 'this picture may not be related to the item being sold', or words to that effect.
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>>501745357 - £17.10
Cough splutter! How much is a genuine filter?
Compare genuine Vauxhall oil filter, £2.50 !
Last edited by: Number_Cruncher on Wed 15 May 13 at 10:47
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>> Compare genuine Vauxhall oil filter, £2.50 !
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You're 'avin' a giraffe, sunshine.
To compare directly with my car, I entered the following details in the Eurocarparts website: Vauxhall Insignia, year 2008, 2.0 diesel.
It gives me the option of two oil filters. Both are priced at £20.70. Yes, twenty pounds and seventy pence (spelled out vidiprinter stylee in case you thought I'd got the decimal point in the wrong place). Both are out of stock - 2 of the Laguna filters are in stock.
Is there somewhere a filter for such a car can be bought for £2.50 (retail, for one filter only), from stock, or is that the price for a filter for a 1976 Viva?
Apples with apples, please!
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Actually, most Vauxhall service parts (from the main dealers) are competively priced with other motor factors, and quite often cheaper.
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>>Apples with apples, please!
For the Insignia, genuine, £14.35
That's the main point I was making - it's not always cheaper buying spurious parts.
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£14.25? For an Insignia oil filter.?
More than the car is worth. :-)
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Then I'm utterly lost as to why you mentioned £2.50, NC.
Hennyway, I've no idea what an "original" oil filter would cost for mine. I can't imagine they're made by Renault, and I don't know which manufacturer/marketing organisation supplies them to the Renault factory for my model. I have no idea how I'd find out, either. I'll just buy the mid-priced filter from ECP when service time comes. I've always done that, and I haven't killed an engine yet. And I never pay screen price at ECP either, there's always a discount code or free filter offer on sometime.
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Have you priced your filter on carparts4less Alanovic? same company as Euro but a lot cheaper. £10.08 for yours using same part number.
Last edited by: mazda chris on Wed 15 May 13 at 14:21
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I hadn't. I have now. They are much cheaper. But I expect that website reflects the prices you get if you enter the usual discount codes on Eurocarparts - and I can collect from a Euro branch a mile from my house. I like that as I don't like missing deliveries, and I can get the stuff on the day I need it.
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>>Then I'm utterly lost as to why you mentioned £2.50, NC.
That was the price for a genuine Vauxhall filter for just about any Vauxhall between 1980 and the mid 2000s - I mentioned it merely as a point of reference for a genuine filter versus what I felt were crazy prices for a spurious oil filter.
Then, you suggested using an Insignia as the basis for comparison, and so, I found the genuine price for that filter versus the inflated price for the spurious ones.
The point I was, and am making is that spurious prices aren't always cheaper than genuine, and, as a further point, if you're going to fit spurious parts anywhere on your vehicle, the oil filter might not be the best place to do so.
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OK. Your original post wasn't very clear. It read like you were saying that all Vauxhall oil filters could now be bought for £2.50. Hence my confusion.
Regarding genuine versus "spurious" - really, is there that much difference? I'm not sufficiently motivated to call a Renault dealer to get a price for the oil filter for my car, and I'd be deeply sceptical that it doesn't come from the same factory as a "spurious" one anyway, at least one supplied by a reputable retailer. Should I be making that call?
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>>is there that much difference?
It depends.
Some spurious filters might be OK.
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>> >>is there that much difference?
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>> It depends.
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In many cases*, if a spurious filter is found to be faulty, and wrecks the engine, you will get a new filter, if a genuine filter suffers the same issue, then there is a fair chance the engine will get repaired / replaced.
*check warranty conditions, from different suppliers, one may be surprised!
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>> >> >>is there that much difference?
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>> >> It depends.
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>> In many cases*, if a spurious filter is found to be faulty, and wrecks the
>> engine, you will get a new filter, if a genuine filter suffers the same issue,
>> then there is a fair chance the engine will get repaired / replaced.
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>> *check warranty conditions, from different suppliers, one may be surprised!
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How often does that happen?
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NC, in terms of filters, the only thing in differences that spring to mind are, x micron filter is the incorrect rating or a break up of the internals of the filter. Are there many areas they can fail?
Last edited by: sooty123 on Thu 16 May 13 at 09:47
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>>in terms of filters
Again, it depends upon the filter and the application.
Some filters have a cannister - this can fail.
Some filters have an internal pressure relief / bypass action. This can fail either way - either allowing bypass when it shouldn't, or always bypassing.
Some filters have flap valves which prevent oil draining out when the engine is stopped.
Then, you have the differences between the filter medium itself, whether there is sufficient area, sufficient strength, and sufficient filtering ability.
I'm sure I've missed some other features which can cause failures, or be different.
For me, using a genuine filter means I am using the filter which was used when the engine was designed and developed. It means I don't need to guess that a spurious filter is OK.
Practically, I don't think failure is particularly common, and I don't think your engine is going to go bang if you fit a spurious filter - it's more a question of why take the risk?, why tolerate the uncertainty?, particularly if the genuine part is actually cheaper, as I've shown it can be for some cars.
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>> Some filters have an internal pressure relief / bypass action. This can fail either way
>> - either allowing bypass when it shouldn't, or always bypassing.
I don't think I've seen any of that type. The ones I've changed be it cars or other, have all been internal. Which car companies tend to favour a bypass internal to the filter itself?
>> Some filters have flap valves which prevent oil draining out when the engine is stopped.
Again are they common?
>> Then, you have the differences between the filter medium itself, whether there is sufficient area, sufficient strength, and sufficient filtering ability.
That was the main one that I thought of.
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>> For me, using a genuine filter means I am using the filter which was used
>> when the engine was designed and developed. It means I don't need to guess that
>> a spurious filter is OK.
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>> Practically, I don't think failure is particularly common, and I don't think your engine is
>> going to go bang if you fit a spurious filter - it's more a question
>> of why take the risk?, why tolerate the uncertainty?, particularly if the genuine part is
>> actually cheaper, as I've shown it can be for some cars.
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The only difficulty is when car companies no longer exsist, do the packages spares still meet the same design spec as at build. That's the only reason I go for spurious filters.
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I've no idea how common each type is - that's outside my area of interest.
Here's a piccie showing what each of these parts looks like
tinyurl.com/cmggzet
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Can't say I've split one down before, if I'm honest more in there than I thought.
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Mazda - Guttmann filters - Zero
