In the Telegraph today the EU are said to be looking to rescind the 2035 ban on petrol & diesel engines.
The ban in the UK is 2030.
The reasons are the slower uptake on EVs and the decimation of the EU car industry / rise of cheap Chinese cars all over Europe even despite high tariffs
If the EU were to rescind the ban that could see UK car makers exporting cars etc to Europe that would not be allowed to sell in the UK.
A problem in the making for Starmer & Miliband?
Looks like Ford dropping the Fiesta, Focus etc well before the 2030/2035 bans has been a bad call. Far from replacing the Fiesta, Focus a face lift could have saved their market share dropping like a stone in Europe.
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I think Ford has made a mistake in seemingly abandoning conventional hatch and saloon/estate models but they're far from alone.
Skoda keep the faith to some extent but VW's range seems to be a mish/mash of near identical models with massive overlap.
If the EU drops the ICE cut off I don't think we'll be backward in following.
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The horse has bolted!
The lack of ICE development - power units, suspension, interior fittings and gizmos, current tooling, etc etc makes most ICE several years behind the curve already.
EV is here to stay. Most European manufacturers missed the boat either through incompetence or denial. Papering over the cracks for a few years would almost certainly be futile - the Chinese invested heavily in EV tech, now produce competitive vehicles.
Even given another 5 years Europe will still be playing catch up.
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<< The lack of ICE development - power units, suspension, interior fittings and gizmos, current tooling, etc etc makes most ICE several years behind the curve already. >>
I would suggest that the features you mention reached pretty full 'development' about the turn of the century, which is why most of the updates or revisions of everyday cars have consisted mainly of computer-based gizmos and weird exterior lighting designs, which all keep the nerds happy. Plus, of course, the leapfrogging LED-intensity war we all suffer.
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>> I would suggest that the features you mention reached pretty full 'development' about the turn
>> of the century, which is why most of the updates or revisions of everyday cars
>> have consisted mainly of computer-based gizmos and weird exterior lighting designs, which all keep the
>> nerds happy. Plus, of course, the leapfrogging LED-intensity war we all suffer.
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I'd pretty much agree with that. The 2008 Polo we run would get me from Land's End to John O'Groats reliably, economically and in comfort. Of course it would be nice if all three could be even better, but development seems to have gone into loading vehicles with computer controlled froth capable of writing off an otherwise sound ten year old car because of the eye watering cost of replacement.
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Much of the ICE development in the past decade plus has been to meet ever more stringent emission requirements and added electronics to improve NCAP ratings. The rest just seems to be froth to encourage buyers to feel their 3 year old model is so yesterday, they must take out a new PCP.
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Not a problem that’s worse than any of the other problems the government has created!
As i understand it the change is that now for new registrations from 2035 onwards a 90 per cent reduction in CO2 emissions will now be mandatory for car manufacturers' fleet targets, instead of 100 per cent. We, thanks to Labour and the flexibility of Brexit, had banned pure ICE from 2030 anyway, and I’m not sure that changing that will make an iota of difference. We will just get the cars that manufacturers develop for the rest of the world, minus any pure ICE vehicles. Effectively letting the Chinese take over the UK market. Unless of course we introduce higher tariffs. Which are always good for growth ;)
Anyway, the figures that the policy sets out for the EU market, if the policy is confirmed, for 2035 now seem to be:
70–85% EV
15–30% hybrids (e-fuel permitted)
Small specialist ICE niches
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We, thanks to Labour and the flexibility of Brexit, had banned pure ICE from 2030 anyway,,,
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I assume you are not blaming the current Labour governmet for Brexit?
Last edited by: De Sisti on Sat 13 Dec 25 at 07:17
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>> I assume you are not blaming the current Labour government for Brexit? >>
It's difficult to 'blame' any govt for Brexit, any further than committing itself to implementing whatever voters chose. I blame it for vacillating and then asking a huge number of people who knew even less - in the hope that Remain would win.
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>> [Quote...from PeterS]
>> We, thanks to Labour and the flexibility of Brexit, had banned pure ICE from 2030
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>> I assume you are not blaming the current Labour governmet for Brexit?
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Not at all, hence the ‘and’. But without Brexit Milliband couldn’t have brought the U.K. date forward from 2035 to 2030!!
All parties bear some of the blame for the fiasco that was the Brexit vote IMO as neither of the main parties at the time campaigned on behalf of ‘for’. But this is probably not the thread for that to be rehashed :)
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>> [Quote...from PeterS]
>> We, thanks to Labour and the flexibility of Brexit, had banned pure ICE from 2030
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>> I assume you are not blaming the current Labour governmet for Brexit?
As I recall Corbyn did a fine demonstration of sitting on the fence.
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EU looking to rescind ban on ICE - Bromptonaut
