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 Wed 28 Jan 26 13:17 
 take the easy option!!!!! - Zero
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp3zpq9gxw3o#:

Apparently, he declined a driver improvement course, so was summoned to court.
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 Wed 28 Jan 26 13:25 
 take the easy option!!!!! - Bromptonaut
>> Apparently, he declined a driver improvement course, so was summoned to court.

I got a course for shooting a red light. Most of us there were at that sort of level but it was at a time when you could still do a course for using a phone so there were those too.

Seems incredible he could have been offered one for an incident with that level of vehicle damage but the offence was driving without due care and attention so it would have been an option.
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 Wed 28 Jan 26 14:21 
 take the easy option!!!!! - Falkirk Bairn
More money than sense!
£150K-£200K
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 Wed 28 Jan 26 17:47 
 take the easy option!!!!! - John F
To me, the most disgraceful thing - yet another example of the crippling disease of UK legalosis - is the two year delay from offence to justice.
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 Wed 28 Jan 26 20:50 
 take the easy option!!!!! - Bromptonaut
>> To me, the most disgraceful thing - yet another example of the crippling disease of
>> UK legalosis - is the two year delay from offence to justice.

While we don't know exactly what happened between offence and sentence I share your reaction.

On the face this is simple factual stuff. I worked for the MoJ and its predecessors for 35 years and even complicated stuff with legions of expert witnesses and extensive disclosure wouldn't take two years to get to a hearing.

In court the morning after per a Blair era initiative may not even give defendants time to sober up but a fortnight to trial should be enough for simple summary cases.

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 Wed 28 Jan 26 23:07 
 take the easy option!!!!! - expat2
>>In court the morning after per a Blair era initiative may not even give defendants time to sober up
>> but a fortnight to trial should be enough for simple summary cases.
When there was rioting after the Southport killings the rioters were quickly dealt with so it can be done if it is considered important enough.
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 Thu 29 Jan 26 01:14 
 take the easy option!!!!! - Bromptonaut
>> When there was rioting after the Southport killings the rioters were quickly dealt with so
>> it can be done if it is considered important enough.

Getting a handful of people in front of the beak after a few high profile pieces of rioting or damned fool social media posts, so as to create an example, is one thing; they jump the queue.

Reducing the queue is a different challenge.
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 Thu 29 Jan 26 09:31 
 take the easy option!!!!! - Duncan
>> Reducing the queue is a different challenge.
>>

Work/sit at weekends.
Make sure all courts are occupied all the time.
Get more judges*.

* What's the money like? I could make myself available.
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 Thu 29 Jan 26 09:44 
 take the easy option!!!!! - Zero

>> * What's the money like? I could make myself available.

You do know you cant hang anyone any more?
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 Thu 29 Jan 26 10:43 
 take the easy option!!!!! - Terry
Justice delayed is justice denied. Simply blaming a lack of funding is a superficial and often inadequate explanation for problems.

The backlog is a reflection of the woeful way in which the courts have been managed. They are only now transitioning from paper based systems to the digital age when most of the world moved on two or three decades ago.

The proposition that reducing jury trials will reduce the backlog is probably garbage.

The solution likely relates to doing the relatively trivial properly

- ensuring documents are in the right place at the right time,
- making sure all who need to attend actually turn up - police, solicitors, defendants etc
- that magistrate numbers are increased to match the workload
- ensure court buildings are open and operational when they need to be
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 Thu 29 Jan 26 12:37 
 take the easy option!!!!! - bathtub tom
>> You do know you cant hang anyone any more?

What, not even treason in an HM dockyard any more?
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 Thu 29 Jan 26 13:16 
 take the easy option!!!!! - Zero
>> >> You do know you cant hang anyone any more?
>>
>> What, not even treason in an HM dockyard any more?

I think it was Arson in an HM dockyard
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 Thu 29 Jan 26 13:35 
 take the easy option!!!!! - bathtub tom
>> >> >> You do know you cant hang anyone any more?
>> >>
>> >> What, not even treason in an HM dockyard any more?
>>
>> I think it was Arson in an HM dockyard

Duncs will be disappointed!
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 Thu 29 Jan 26 21:49 
 take the easy option!!!!! - Duncan
I believe the only offence still on the books for which the death penalty is still, theoretically, in force is carnal knowledge of the Queen.

Edit.
Capital offence, is, of course, the phrase that I couldn't think of.
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 Thu 29 Jan 26 22:36 
 take the easy option!!!!! - bathtub tom
>> I believe the only offence still on the books for which the death penalty is
>> still, theoretically, in force is carnal knowledge of the Queen.

The late QE2, or the current? I suspect KC wouldn't be too pleased, although I suspect he wasn't the first there, as she was previously married.
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 Thu 29 Jan 26 23:23 
 take the easy option!!!!! - CGNorwich
The death penalty was finally and completely abolished by the Human Rights Act in 1998.

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1998/42/schedule/1/part/III/crossheading/abolition-of-the-death-penalty/enacted
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 Fri 30 Jan 26 09:44 
 take the easy option!!!!! - Andrew-T
>> I think it was Arson in an HM dockyard >>

Certainly was. At the end of school year 1956 one of my contemporaries was leaving to join the navy. With corny teenage humour I bade farewell to Ar Son in a ....
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 Fri 30 Jan 26 17:04 
 take the easy option!!!!! - Bobby
Don’t know about England but in Scotland pretty sure the courts sit for 4 hours a day.
10-12 and 2-4.
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