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New Tue 7 Apr 26 11:42 
 Kegworth - Zero
As we are on notable events that spiked our interest, what about the Kegworth air disaster where the captain had an engine failure, did a return to East Midlands but then shut down the good engine on the final and plowed it into the bank of the Northbound M1?

On the south side of the M1 under that very flight path, a major uk bank had its full back up/ switch over / recovery data centre. The BM flight missed its roof by a few tens of feet, as described by several of my ex colleagues on site at the time.

Our sales team and account manager was on the door selling them a relocate/new data centre build the very next morning.
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New Tue 7 Apr 26 11:53 
 Kegworth - Bromptonaut
>> As we are on notable events that spiked our interest, what about the Kegworth air
>> disaster where the captain had an engine failure, did a return to East Midlands but
>> then shut down the good engine on the final and plowed it into the bank
>> of the Northbound M1?

There was an evident engine failure as they passed about 28,000 feet climbing out of LHR. After considering the situation they shut down the 'failed' engine. As they were descending into EMA they didn't need power until they were on final approach and when they advanced the power lever the engine didn't respond with the outcome we saw.

If they'd been a few feet higher they'd have cleared the M1 and, if not making the runway they'd have pancaked on reasonably level ground outside the A/D boundary.

Two weeks after Lockerbie.
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New Tue 7 Apr 26 12:04 
 Kegworth - R.P.
A friend of mine went to Lockerbie and Kegworth as part of the rescue effort. They did for him, he died a few years ago after years of alcohol abuse.
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New Tue 7 Apr 26 12:14 
 Kegworth - R.P.
There was a rather good programme on BBC2 the other night, it's on iPlayer.
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New Tue 7 Apr 26 12:18 
 Kegworth - Bromptonaut
>> There was a rather good programme on BBC2 the other night, it's on iPlayer.

About Kegworth?
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New Wed 8 Apr 26 09:59 
 Kegworth - Andrew-T
>> >> There was a rather good programme on BBC2 the other night, it's on iPlayer.
>>
>> About Kegworth? >>

Yes, watched it all. The root problem was that while the crew knew an engine was dead or on fire, they couldn't tell which one (it was a 2-engine plane). Since Kegworth there are now devices near the tail to give pilots this info. I would have expected a more direct feedback from the engine itself !

Because the plane was gliding, the tail hit first and broke off before the front end hit the embankment. I think about 45 died out of over 100, and luckily there was no fire.
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New Thu 9 Apr 26 12:50 
 Kegworth - R.P.
Yes
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New Tue 7 Apr 26 12:32 
 Kegworth - zippy
>> They did for him,

Bless the emergency workers!
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New Tue 7 Apr 26 12:25 
 Kegworth - zippy
>> If they'd been a few feet higher they'd have cleared the M1 and, if not
>> making the runway they'd have pancaked on reasonably level ground outside the A/D boundary.

That's what's so sad about it. The photos at the time showed it a few hundred feet from safety.

I think the BA Boeing 777 crash at Heathrow in 2008 shows that it could have been more survivable. It would have been carnage if it didn't make the airport and came down over a busy London suburb.

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New Tue 7 Apr 26 12:47 
 Kegworth - Bromptonaut
>> I think the BA Boeing 777 crash at Heathrow in 2008 shows that it could
>> have been more survivable.

I had that in mind when I posted.
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New Tue 7 Apr 26 13:10 
 Kegworth - zippy
>> >> I think the BA Boeing 777 crash at Heathrow in 2008 shows that it
>> could
>> >> have been more survivable.
>>
>> I had that in mind when I posted.
>>

Soz, I missed that.
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New Wed 8 Apr 26 09:51 
 Kegworth - Falkirk Bairn
From what I remember about Kegworth the pilot closed down the correct switch in the cockpit.

The problem was the wires behind the panel were connected wrongly.

This caused the "good engine" to close down.

The original connectors behind the cockpit switch panel were identical. These were replaced on all models with right and left hand connectors!
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New Wed 8 Apr 26 10:02 
 Kegworth - Zero
>> From what I remember about Kegworth the pilot closed down the correct switch in the
>> cockpit.
>>
>> The problem was the wires behind the panel were connected wrongly.

Nope. The problem was that on previous variants of the 737 the crew had flown, bleed air for the aircon was drawn from the right engine. The 400 variant didnt. When smoke entered the cockpit, they misdiagnosed the wrong engine.
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New Wed 8 Apr 26 10:42 
 Kegworth - Bromptonaut
>> The problem was the wires behind the panel were connected wrongly.

There was speculation in the immediate aftermath about cross wiring and it's even possible an example was found.

AAIB report is linked below with the causes listed on p148.

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5422fefeed915d13710009ed/4-1990_G-OBME.pdf

As ever there were several issues that lined up the holes in the cheese including an attempt to run through the issues which was halted by a radio call from ATC.

You Tuber Captain Steeve www.youtube.com/@CaptainSteeeve a retired Boeing captain has multiple vids covering engine failures and the acute workload of flying a disabled aircraft in crowded skies while running checklists etc.
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