The last time I speculated the post was removed as a court case was spending so I'm a bit at a loss in what I can and can't say.
I only know what I've heard and read but that may or may not be correct, I have no way of knowing anymore than anyone else.
For what it's worth the speculation is the following:
The foreign driver may have broken down in the carriageway (brakes can make it impossible to move) and have been trying to get it moving.
He was apparently living in his car after leaving his wife a couple of weeks before.
I have heard it reported by someone who saw it, that the lorry had no lights on, and he immediately reported it to the Police before the accident.
The 'other ' lorry is reported not to have braked at all and this would lead to an arrest and investigation as to why he didn't take avoiding action.
Could he have been on the phone or otherwise distracted?
The minibus would be speed limited at around 60mph, just a little faster than the lorries. Had the other lorry been trying to overtake for some time and then saw the lorry on the n/side lane ahead and though 'That'll slow him down'?
The minibus driver had less than 3 hours sleep the night before the accident, was he in any way the cause of the accident?
It's a conundrum and I wonder if we'll ever know exactly what happened.
From the pics it's a safe bet the minibus came upon the back of the stationary lorry and swerved very quickly into the other one that was overtaking, but why not swerve onto the hard shoulder if, as you should be, aware of what is in your right hand side lane?
The clue for me is why the other lorry didn't brake and I think that holds the key to why he was arrested.
All of the above are freely available via Google, Facebook and the Press.
Pat
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M1 fatal accident, J14/J15 - Volume 1 |
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26 Aug 17 21:55 |
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Manatee |
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26 Aug 17 22:11 |
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26 Aug 17 22:26 |
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VxFan |
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27 Aug 17 01:32 |
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27 Aug 17 09:00 |
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R.P. |
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27 Aug 17 09:30 |
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henry k |
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29 Aug 17 10:10 |
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29 Aug 17 11:01 |
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29 Aug 17 12:09 |
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29 Aug 17 12:39 |
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movilogo |
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29 Aug 17 12:38 |
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29 Aug 17 13:13 |
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29 Aug 17 13:32 |
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29 Aug 17 13:38 |
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29 Aug 17 13:54 |
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29 Aug 17 13:56 |
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29 Aug 17 14:05 |
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29 Aug 17 14:22 |
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29 Aug 17 14:43 |
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29 Aug 17 14:57 |
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29 Aug 17 14:29 |
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29 Aug 17 14:39 |
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29 Aug 17 14:08 |
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29 Aug 17 14:18 |
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29 Aug 17 14:22 |
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29 Aug 17 14:31 |
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29 Aug 17 14:58 |
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Manatee |
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29 Aug 17 15:43 |
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29 Aug 17 22:48 |
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29 Aug 17 23:01 |
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Bobby |
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29 Aug 17 23:21 |
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29 Aug 17 23:21 |
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30 Aug 17 00:25 |
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30 Aug 17 02:32 |
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30 Aug 17 07:24 |
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Hard Cheese |
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30 Aug 17 07:42 |
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henry k |
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30 Aug 17 10:02 |
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30 Aug 17 10:32 |
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30 Aug 17 10:55 |
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30 Aug 17 11:08 |
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Manatee |
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30 Aug 17 11:09 |
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30 Aug 17 13:03 |
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30 Aug 17 13:16 |
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Manatee |
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30 Aug 17 13:22 |
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30 Aug 17 13:40 |
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30 Aug 17 13:42 |
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30 Aug 17 13:46 |
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30 Aug 17 14:40 |
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30 Aug 17 15:38 |
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30 Aug 17 16:02 |
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30 Aug 17 16:32 |
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30 Aug 17 16:48 |
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30 Aug 17 16:51 |
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Pat |
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30 Aug 17 16:59 |
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30 Aug 17 17:19 |
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30 Aug 17 18:16 |
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30 Aug 17 17:01 |
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30 Aug 17 17:08 |
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30 Aug 17 17:14 |
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30 Aug 17 17:45 |
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30 Aug 17 18:29 |
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30 Aug 17 14:01 |
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30 Aug 17 14:17 |
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R.P. |
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30 Aug 17 13:59 |
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Hard Cheese |
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30 Aug 17 14:35 |
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Pat |
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30 Aug 17 14:37 |
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Fullchat |
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31 Aug 17 00:21 |
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R.P. |
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14 Sep 17 09:33 |
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Fullchat |
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14 Sep 17 21:27 |
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Bobby |
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14 Sep 17 22:11 |
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Harleyman |
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18 Sep 17 10:59 |
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Pat |
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14 Sep 17 05:06 |
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Manatee |
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14 Sep 17 09:02 |
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Zero |
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14 Sep 17 09:11 |
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Manatee |
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14 Sep 17 09:26 |
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movilogo |
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14 Sep 17 10:20 |
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henry k |
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14 Sep 17 10:32 |
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henry k |
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14 Sep 17 10:34 |
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movilogo |
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14 Sep 17 10:35 |
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Fenlander |
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14 Sep 17 11:19 |
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Old Navy |
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14 Sep 17 11:56 |
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Duncan |
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14 Sep 17 14:42 |
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Old Navy |
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14 Sep 17 14:46 |
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Pat |
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14 Sep 17 11:58 |
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Haywain |
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14 Sep 17 12:13 |
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Bromptonaut |
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14 Sep 17 12:34 |
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Manatee |
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14 Sep 17 14:47 |
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rtj70 |
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14 Sep 17 15:17 |
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Pat |
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14 Sep 17 15:25 |
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Zero |
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14 Sep 17 18:07 |
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Old Navy |
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14 Sep 17 18:10 |
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14 Sep 17 18:12 |
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Zero |
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14 Sep 17 18:20 |
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14 Sep 17 19:39 |
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henry k |
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14 Sep 17 18:37 |
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Zero |
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14 Sep 17 18:22 |
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14 Sep 17 18:29 |
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14 Sep 17 18:42 |
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R.P. |
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14 Sep 17 19:12 |
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14 Sep 17 19:31 |
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Zero |
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14 Sep 17 19:35 |
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Manatee |
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14 Sep 17 20:04 |
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sherlock47 |
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14 Sep 17 20:05 |
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14 Sep 17 22:38 |
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movilogo |
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18 Sep 17 10:18 |
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Manatee |
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18 Sep 17 10:31 |
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18 Sep 17 10:36 |
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movilogo |
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18 Sep 17 10:47 |
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18 Sep 17 10:57 |
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Bromptonaut |
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18 Sep 17 10:48 |
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movilogo |
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18 Sep 17 10:52 |
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Fenlander |
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18 Sep 17 11:11 |
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18 Sep 17 11:26 |
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Harleyman |
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18 Sep 17 12:31 |
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Zero |
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18 Sep 17 11:34 |
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movilogo |
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18 Sep 17 11:49 |
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R.P. |
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18 Sep 17 19:14 |
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18 Sep 17 19:30 |
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Bromptonaut |
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27 Oct 17 13:24 |
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smokie |
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22 Feb 18 18:58 |
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M1 fatal accident, J14/J15 Trial Date |
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Zero |
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22 Feb 18 19:57 |
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M1 fatal accident, J14/J15 Trial Date |
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Focal Point |
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22 Feb 18 20:15 |
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22 Feb 18 20:58 |
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22 Feb 18 21:39 |
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23 Feb 18 09:17 |
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23 Feb 18 10:46 |
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23 Feb 18 07:57 |
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Pat |
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23 Feb 18 08:31 |
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Duncan |
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23 Feb 18 08:32 |
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23 Feb 18 09:28 |
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23 Feb 18 10:05 |
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Pat |
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23 Feb 18 10:56 |
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23 Feb 18 12:01 |
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23 Feb 18 12:19 |
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23 Feb 18 12:47 |
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23 Feb 18 15:22 |
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6 Mar 18 18:35 |
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6 Mar 18 19:06 |
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6 Mar 18 19:48 |
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6 Mar 18 20:20 |
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6 Mar 18 21:16 |
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7 Mar 18 16:03 |
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7 Mar 18 16:20 |
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7 Mar 18 17:26 |
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