>> The Russians might not have won their original war aims but Ukraine and the West
>> will have lost and Putin survives to have another go in seven years time when
>> he has rebuilt his army.
He'll not be there in 7 years time. The west hasn't lost, you cant underestimate the long term positive effects - no reliance on Russian energy, Two new capable members in Nato (believe me you want the Finns on board) and Nato has a renewed mandate.
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