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 Thu 13 Apr 23 19:25 
 Strikes - Manatee
>> But what expains the Union position? Are they looking for a settlement or confrontation?

Of course they want a settlement. To that end they are prepared to negotiate AIUI.

>> A basic rule of the sort of such disputes is not to make a ridiculously
>> high claim

No, it isn't, although whether it's ridiculous is debatable - and should be debated.

>> Another is to see the other
>> side's point of view. The Doctor's union has failed on both counts.

As professional negotiators, I'm sure they will make every effort to understand the other side's POV. It might help if the other side joined in negotiation


>> The Government perspective means that they have to take into account the overall effects on
>> the economy and in particular the claims of other workers in the public sector. A
>> 35% settlement woiuld be a disastrous precedent and there is absoluteley no chance that the
>> Government will accede to that or anything close. While the Union persists with that claim
>> there is little to talk about.

There is everything to talk about.

Put simply, gov has some upper limit that it can be pushed to (A), the docs have a minimum aspiration that they are prepared to strike for (B). Neither has yet disclosed its limit because if they do, they won't get it.

If A>B, then there is deal waiting to be agreed within the overlap, but it can only be reached by negotiation. That is why gov is either stupid, or is happy to further damage the NHS by refusing to negotiate. Before you accuse the doctors of also trying further to damage the NHS, remember they are trying to negotiate.

If B>A, then there is a gap rather than an overlap, and something has to give. Probably on both sides. And there will also need to be some soft benefits exchanged to help the reasoning along. There will be a dozen ways to package a suitably complicated settlement but it will take time and some serious application. Barclay is obstructing that. If he thinks it's a negotiating ploy, it's a bad one.

Personally I don't think the doctors can be starved out. But if gov does succeed in starving them into submission, they will have the doctors back at work but they will be even further from a functioning NHS than they were before. There is a lot of evidence that this is what they want.

They need to find a billion to sort this out. HS2 goes up by that much every month. There is no rule of precedence.
Last edited by: Manatee on Thu 13 Apr 23 at 19:30
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