http://www.car4play.com/forum Car4play forum en-gb Thu, 09 Apr 2026 12:50:05 +0100 Copyright: Car4play webmaster@car4play.com (Technical) 5 car4play687865 Thu, 09 Apr 2026 12:50:05 +0100 Yes http://www.car4play.com/forum/post/index.htm?m=687865&v=e car4play687847 Wed, 08 Apr 2026 10:42:21 +0100 >> The problem was the wires behind the panel were connected wrongly. There was speculation in the immediate aftermath about cross wiring and it's even possible an example was found. AAIB report is linked below with the causes listed on p148. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5422fefeed915d13710009ed/4-1990_G-OBME.pdf As ever there were several issues that lined up the holes in the cheese including an attempt to run through the issues which was halted by a radio call from ATC. You Tuber Captain Steeve https://www.youtube.com/@CaptainSteeeve a retired Boeing captain has multiple vids covering engine failures and the acute workload of flying a disabled aircraft in crowded skies while running checklists etc. http://www.car4play.com/forum/post/index.htm?m=687847&v=e car4play687842 Wed, 08 Apr 2026 10:02:29 +0100 >> From what I remember about Kegworth the pilot closed down the correct switch in the >> cockpit. >> >> The problem was the wires behind the panel were connected wrongly. Nope. The problem was that on previous variants of the 737 the crew had flown, bleed air for the aircon was drawn from the right engine. The 400 variant didnt. When smoke entered the cockpit, they misdiagnosed the wrong engine. http://www.car4play.com/forum/post/index.htm?m=687842&v=e car4play687841 Wed, 08 Apr 2026 09:59:27 +0100 >> >> There was a rather good programme on BBC2 the other night, it's on iPlayer. >> >> About Kegworth? >> Yes, watched it all. The root problem was that while the crew knew an engine was dead or on fire, they couldn't tell which one (it was a 2-engine plane). Since Kegworth there are now devices near the tail to give pilots this info. I would have expected a more direct feedback from the engine itself ! Because the plane was gliding, the tail hit first and broke off before the front end hit the embankment. I think about 45 died out of over 100, and luckily there was no fire. http://www.car4play.com/forum/post/index.htm?m=687841&v=e car4play687839 Wed, 08 Apr 2026 09:51:36 +0100 From what I remember about Kegworth the pilot closed down the correct switch in the cockpit. The problem was the wires behind the panel were connected wrongly. This caused the "good engine" to close down. The original connectors behind the cockpit switch panel were identical. These were replaced on all models with right and left hand connectors! http://www.car4play.com/forum/post/index.htm?m=687839&v=e car4play687792 Tue, 07 Apr 2026 13:10:47 +0100 >> >> I think the BA Boeing 777 crash at Heathrow in 2008 shows that it >> could >> >> have been more survivable. >> >> I had that in mind when I posted. >> Soz, I missed that. http://www.car4play.com/forum/post/index.htm?m=687792&v=e car4play687790 Tue, 07 Apr 2026 12:47:15 +0100 >> I think the BA Boeing 777 crash at Heathrow in 2008 shows that it could >> have been more survivable. I had that in mind when I posted. http://www.car4play.com/forum/post/index.htm?m=687790&v=e car4play687788 Tue, 07 Apr 2026 12:32:01 +0100 >> They did for him, Bless the emergency workers! http://www.car4play.com/forum/post/index.htm?m=687788&v=e car4play687787 Tue, 07 Apr 2026 12:25:04 +0100 >> If they'd been a few feet higher they'd have cleared the M1 and, if not >> making the runway they'd have pancaked on reasonably level ground outside the A/D boundary. That's what's so sad about it. The photos at the time showed it a few hundred feet from safety. I think the BA Boeing 777 crash at Heathrow in 2008 shows that it could have been more survivable. It would have been carnage if it didn't make the airport and came down over a busy London suburb. http://www.car4play.com/forum/post/index.htm?m=687787&v=e car4play687786 Tue, 07 Apr 2026 12:18:06 +0100 >> There was a rather good programme on BBC2 the other night, it's on iPlayer. About Kegworth? http://www.car4play.com/forum/post/index.htm?m=687786&v=e car4play687785 Tue, 07 Apr 2026 12:14:55 +0100 There was a rather good programme on BBC2 the other night, it's on iPlayer. http://www.car4play.com/forum/post/index.htm?m=687785&v=e car4play687781 Tue, 07 Apr 2026 12:04:05 +0100 A friend of mine went to Lockerbie and Kegworth as part of the rescue effort. They did for him, he died a few years ago after years of alcohol abuse. http://www.car4play.com/forum/post/index.htm?m=687781&v=e car4play687780 Tue, 07 Apr 2026 11:53:44 +0100 >> As we are on notable events that spiked our interest, what about the Kegworth air >> disaster where the captain had an engine failure, did a return to East Midlands but >> then shut down the good engine on the final and plowed it into the bank >> of the Northbound M1? There was an evident engine failure as they passed about 28,000 feet climbing out of LHR. After considering the situation they shut down the 'failed' engine. As they were descending into EMA they didn't need power until they were on final approach and when they advanced the power lever the engine didn't respond with the outcome we saw. If they'd been a few feet higher they'd have cleared the M1 and, if not making the runway they'd have pancaked on reasonably level ground outside the A/D boundary. Two weeks after Lockerbie. http://www.car4play.com/forum/post/index.htm?m=687780&v=e car4play687779 Tue, 07 Apr 2026 11:42:51 +0100 As we are on notable events that spiked our interest, what about the Kegworth air disaster where the captain had an engine failure, did a return to East Midlands but then shut down the good engine on the final and plowed it into the bank of the Northbound M1? On the south side of the M1 under that very flight path, a major uk bank had its full back up/ switch over / recovery data centre. The BM flight missed its roof by a few tens of feet, as described by several of my ex colleagues on site at the time. Our sales team and account manager was on the door selling them a relocate/new data centre build the very next morning. http://www.car4play.com/forum/post/index.htm?m=687779&v=e