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 Brexit Discussion - Volume 85 - Bromptonaut
I'm sorry Sooty but I think you've got the end of the wrong stick here.

I should add that it's a common view on labour side that Laura K is not impartial, hence my septicism when she was produced as evidence. At best she's looking for 'CV stuff' rather than reporting dispassionately.


>> He made an agreement on something he's wanted for a long time. Do x and
>> I'll do y,

With whom did he make this agreement and what were x and y?

The Fixed Term Parliaments act means that Johnson needs a 2/3 majority in Commons to call an election. He cannot do that without Labour support (which May did get for her 'snap). As a matter of Labour strategy/tactics there would be no support for an election until the European Union (Withdrawal) (No. 6) Bill received Royal Assent. He may, I'm not sure, have stated support would be forthcoming but I don't think that was a commitment to vote for a fresh electoral motion should JRM move it next week.



>>the PM hasn't changed in character in since Monday. If it was
>> fine then it's fine now. If he had issues he should have said beforehand.
>> He's got what he wanted but isn't prepared to put up his side of the
>> bargain because he thinks it's in his interest to do so, it puts him closer
>> to being PM fair enough to a certain extent.

The PM's character, in it's most egregious form, is emerging by the minute. His commitment today that, European Union (Withdrawal) (No. 6) Act 2019 notwithstanding, he wont seek an A50 extension is one example. The fact that he used a speech in Wakefield, which he attended ex fficio as PM to make a tub thumping political/electoral appeal is another. So is the language he's used on the front Bench.

>>That's what he's said publicly he
>> wants for a long time and that's fine he's a politician with ambition.
>> But let's not pretend there's some huge shift in what the PM is like or
>> its some form of altruism.

Nobody would deny that that JC is a politician who aims to be elected (though I sometimes wish he'd show more ambition!). One might have assumed, antecedents notwithstanding, that he'd adopt the conventions of his office. After a week it's clear he's doing the opposite.

His model is Donald Trump.
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