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Thread Author: Zero Replies: 198

 the state of the NHS - Bromptonaut
>>*Who* does object to means testing?

OK I’ll bite.

Firstly, for all Zero’s dismissive comments I suspect it could quite quickly lead to a ‘two tier’ service. Might there be a temptation to cut corners on things like food for those not paying? I don’t mean starvation just restriction to a minimalist menu. I think in time the same ‘economy’ would creep into treatments. The likelihood is that those paying would develop a mentality that they were subsidising those who got free stuff and demand a say. We’ve seen that on here where people demand rights over how ‘their’ taxes are spent.

If you want to see two tier provision look at NHS Glasses on sixties/seventies.

It’s undoubtedly true that some people will run a mile from a means test either from pride or because they can’t manage the questions never mind computerised application process required the 'digital by default' mantra.

Their health will suffer as will that of those who miss the means test but genuinely cannot afford the cost.

Will the means test take account of travel to work costs, real housing costs, child maintenance and all the other stuff that applies in real life? You’ve got a big bill coming up; repair the car so you can get to work or get your mole looked at?

How do you set charges? A fixed fee for a GP appointment is at least easy to work out but where do you set it? Even if it’s ‘only’£10 that’ll be a real burden for those with just a bit too much or who are on a run of bad luck. And frankly £10 goes nowhere near covering the cost. I doubt it would even cover the cost of administering testing never mind recovery of charges due but unpaid.

What about a hospital stay? Do you just levy a ‘hotel’ charge for bed and food? Or will cost depend on treatment so cancer cost lots more a hernia? Rationing of treatments and a second class service for those who cannot pay? - bet.

Debt recovery would be a massive big issue – see problems recovering charges from foreigners treated here. And don’t even consider suggestion of pay in advance. Windrush victims have suffered in pain and probably died because of that policy.

And then devise a means test to separate the free sheep from the paying goats? Is it just those on income based benefits who get in free or would others do so as well?

We means test ‘free’ prescriptions and things like dentistry and eye tests/spectacles; and that’s a mess. If you get Universal Credit (UC) as a Job Seeker or for sickness you get free prescriptions etc. But there’s no space on the form for that you have to pretend you’re on JSA or ESA. Get it wrong and a fine will result – I’ve seen this with my own eyes. If you’re on UC to top up low earnings free prescriptions depend on how much you earned in the last ‘assessment period’. So you get them free in July and September but not August or October.

Is there a policy unit or 'think tank' that come up with a serious/workable model for means testing health care.

It’s simply not a practical proposition.
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 the state of the NHS  Zero 4 Dec 19 17:10
 the state of the NHS  CGNorwich 4 Dec 19 17:43
 the state of the NHS  Zero 4 Dec 19 17:50
 the state of the NHS  sooty123 4 Dec 19 18:15
 the state of the NHS  Zero 4 Dec 19 18:25
 the state of the NHS  henry k 4 Dec 19 18:16
 the state of the NHS  Zero 4 Dec 19 18:28
 the state of the NHS  Netsur 4 Dec 19 20:39
 the state of the NHS  Zero 4 Dec 19 21:11
 the state of the NHS  Manatee 4 Dec 19 21:20
 the state of the NHS  Rudedog 4 Dec 19 21:36
 the state of the NHS  Kevin 4 Dec 19 22:41
 the state of the NHS  Zero 5 Dec 19 12:36
 the state of the NHS  tyrednemotional 5 Dec 19 12:53
 the state of the NHS  Zero 5 Dec 19 13:47
 the state of the NHS  Zero 4 Dec 19 21:50
 the state of the NHS  Haywain 4 Dec 19 22:49
 the state of the NHS  Robin O'Reliant 5 Dec 19 11:04
 the state of the NHS  Manatee 5 Dec 19 11:48
 the state of the NHS  Lygonos 5 Dec 19 12:26
 the state of the NHS  CGNorwich 5 Dec 19 15:38
 the state of the NHS  Zero 5 Dec 19 15:41
 the state of the NHS  CGNorwich 5 Dec 19 15:47
 the state of the NHS  Zero 5 Dec 19 15:57
  
 the state of the NHS  Lygonos 5 Dec 19 16:02
 the state of the NHS  CGNorwich 5 Dec 19 16:08
 the state of the NHS  Bromptonaut 5 Dec 19 16:12
 the state of the NHS  No FM2R 5 Dec 19 19:05
 the state of the NHS  CGNorwich 5 Dec 19 16:04
 the state of the NHS  sooty123 5 Dec 19 18:27
 the state of the NHS  CGNorwich 5 Dec 19 19:22
 the state of the NHS  No FM2R 5 Dec 19 19:25
 the state of the NHS  CGNorwich 5 Dec 19 20:00
 the state of the NHS  No FM2R 5 Dec 19 20:12
 the state of the NHS  CGNorwich 5 Dec 19 21:11
 the state of the NHS  No FM2R 5 Dec 19 21:44
 the state of the NHS  Bromptonaut 5 Dec 19 16:09
 the state of the NHS  Zero 5 Dec 19 21:12
 the state of the NHS  No FM2R 5 Dec 19 21:53
 the state of the NHS  legacylad 5 Dec 19 22:08
 the state of the NHS  Lygonos 5 Dec 19 23:38
 the state of the NHS  No FM2R 6 Dec 19 03:03
 the state of the NHS  Falkirk Bairn 6 Dec 19 06:13
 the state of the NHS  hjd 6 Dec 19 07:19
 the state of the NHS  Bromptonaut 7 Dec 19 09:25
 the state of the NHS  Bromptonaut 6 Dec 19 09:42
 the state of the NHS  Zero 6 Dec 19 09:48
 the state of the NHS  Lygonos 6 Dec 19 10:34
 the state of the NHS  Duncan 6 Dec 19 11:33
 the state of the NHS  Zero 6 Dec 19 11:53
 the state of the NHS  Lygonos 6 Dec 19 11:56
 the state of the NHS  Lygonos 6 Dec 19 12:04
 the state of the NHS  tyrednemotional 6 Dec 19 12:20
 the state of the NHS  Zero 6 Dec 19 12:50
 the state of the NHS  Lygonos 6 Dec 19 12:56
 the state of the NHS  Zero 6 Dec 19 14:32
 the state of the NHS  henry k 6 Dec 19 12:17
 the state of the NHS  hjd 6 Dec 19 13:44
 the state of the NHS  Zero 6 Dec 19 14:00
 the state of the NHS  Bromptonaut 6 Dec 19 12:36
 the state of the NHS  Lygonos 6 Dec 19 12:46
 the state of the NHS  Bromptonaut 6 Dec 19 14:11
 the state of the NHS  Lygonos 6 Dec 19 17:17
 the state of the NHS  Bromptonaut 6 Dec 19 17:41
 the state of the NHS  Lygonos 6 Dec 19 18:13
 the state of the NHS  Falkirk Bairn 6 Dec 19 18:39
 the state of the NHS  Bromptonaut 6 Dec 19 20:32
 the state of the NHS  Haywain 6 Dec 19 20:50
 the state of the NHS  Zero 6 Dec 19 21:16
  
 the state of the NHS  sherlock47 7 Dec 19 09:09
 the state of the NHS  Bobby 7 Dec 19 10:04
 the state of the NHS  Ambo 8 Dec 19 13:08
 the state of the NHS  henry k 8 Dec 19 13:54
 the state of the NHS  PeterS 8 Dec 19 17:16
 the state of the NHS  Zero 8 Dec 19 21:01
 the state of the NHS  zippy 8 Dec 19 22:07
 the state of the NHS  PeterS 9 Dec 19 09:18
 the state of the NHS  Zero 10 Dec 19 17:27
 the state of the NHS  tyrednemotional 10 Dec 19 17:32
 the state of the NHS  Haywain 10 Dec 19 18:08
 the state of the NHS  Manatee 10 Dec 19 18:50
 the state of the NHS  Robin O'Reliant 10 Dec 19 20:11
 the state of the NHS  James Loveless 11 Dec 19 00:30
 the state of the NHS  Duncan 11 Dec 19 04:48
 the state of the NHS  Lygonos 11 Dec 19 07:52
 the state of the NHS  CGNorwich 11 Dec 19 09:41
 the state of the NHS  neiltoo 11 Dec 19 10:43
 the state of the NHS  legacylad 11 Dec 19 11:08
 the state of the NHS  commerdriver 11 Dec 19 11:25
 the state of the NHS  Zero 11 Dec 19 13:25
 the state of the NHS  CGNorwich 11 Dec 19 14:32
 the state of the NHS  Zero 11 Dec 19 14:56
 the state of the NHS  Zero 11 Dec 19 15:05
 the state of the NHS  commerdriver 11 Dec 19 15:25
 the state of the NHS  Zero 11 Dec 19 15:35
  
 the state of the NHS  commerdriver 11 Dec 19 16:43
 the state of the NHS  Zero 13 Dec 19 21:15
 the state of the NHS  No FM2R 13 Dec 19 21:16
 the state of the NHS  Zero 13 Dec 19 21:25
 the state of the NHS  No FM2R 13 Dec 19 21:29
 the state of the NHS  Zero 15 Dec 19 14:51
 the state of the NHS  commerdriver 16 Dec 19 10:55
 the state of the NHS  Fullchat 11 Dec 19 16:23
 the state of the NHS  Fullchat 11 Dec 19 18:02
 the state of the NHS  legacylad 15 Dec 19 19:42
 the state of the NHS  Fullchat 15 Dec 19 20:49
 the state of the NHS  Zero 11 Dec 19 13:24
 the state of the NHS  Duncan 11 Dec 19 15:09
 the state of the NHS  Zero 11 Dec 19 15:36
 the state of the NHS  bathtub tom 11 Dec 19 16:53
 the state of the NHS  Bromptonaut 11 Dec 19 15:42
 the state of the NHS  henry k 11 Dec 19 17:22
 the state of the NHS  tyrednemotional 11 Dec 19 17:28
 the state of the NHS  Zero 12 Dec 19 18:57
 the state of the NHS  CGNorwich 12 Dec 19 19:13
 the state of the NHS  R.P. 12 Dec 19 22:11
 the state of the NHS  Duncan 12 Dec 19 22:34
  
 the state of the NHS  Kevin 12 Dec 19 23:28
 the state of the NHS  Runfer D'Hills 14 Dec 19 08:47
 the state of the NHS  tyrednemotional 14 Dec 19 09:04
 the state of the NHS  Lygonos 14 Dec 19 09:25
 the state of the NHS  tyrednemotional 14 Dec 19 10:28
 the state of the NHS  Zero 15 Dec 19 14:23
 the state of the NHS  No FM2R 15 Dec 19 15:13
 the state of the NHS  Lygonos 15 Dec 19 15:27
 the state of the NHS  Duncan 15 Dec 19 15:32
 the state of the NHS  Zero 15 Dec 19 15:39
 the state of the NHS  Duncan 15 Dec 19 15:52
 the state of the NHS  Zero 15 Dec 19 15:56
 the state of the NHS  Zero 15 Dec 19 16:00
 the state of the NHS  Haywain 15 Dec 19 18:32
 the state of the NHS  tyrednemotional 15 Dec 19 18:36
 the state of the NHS  Bromptonaut 15 Dec 19 20:43
 the state of the NHS  Zero 15 Dec 19 14:32
 the state of the NHS  No FM2R 15 Dec 19 15:12
 the state of the NHS  tyrednemotional 15 Dec 19 15:15
 the state of the NHS  legacylad 15 Dec 19 19:49
 the state of the NHS  Bromptonaut 15 Dec 19 20:14
 the state of the NHS  Ambo 17 Dec 19 10:40
 the state of the NHS  VxFan 17 Dec 19 10:51
 the state of the NHS  Zero 17 Dec 19 11:37
 the state of the NHS  Bromptonaut 17 Dec 19 11:48
 the state of the NHS  Ambo 17 Dec 19 12:15
 the state of the NHS  VxFan 17 Dec 19 12:53
 the state of the NHS  Manatee 17 Dec 19 11:53
 the state of the NHS  Duncan 17 Dec 19 13:12
 the state of the NHS  smokie 17 Dec 19 13:31
 the state of the NHS  No FM2R 17 Dec 19 13:54
 the state of the NHS  sooty123 17 Dec 19 14:26
  
 the state of the NHS  Bromptonaut 17 Dec 19 16:10
 the state of the NHS  bathtub tom 17 Dec 19 16:34
 the state of the NHS  smokie 17 Dec 19 16:30
 the state of the NHS  CGNorwich 17 Dec 19 16:40
 the state of the NHS  sooty123 17 Dec 19 17:21
 the state of the NHS  sooty123 17 Dec 19 17:19
 the state of the NHS  smokie 17 Dec 19 17:27
 the state of the NHS  zippy 17 Dec 19 19:46
 the state of the NHS  zippy 19 Dec 19 00:43
 the state of the NHS  Manatee 19 Dec 19 10:32
 the state of the NHS  zippy 20 Dec 19 23:12
 the state of the NHS  Lygonos 21 Dec 19 10:09
 the state of the NHS  Rudedog 21 Dec 19 10:25
 the state of the NHS  CGNorwich 21 Dec 19 10:39
 the state of the NHS  zippy 21 Dec 19 13:02
 the state of the NHS  Manatee 21 Dec 19 14:12
 the state of the NHS  zippy 6 Jan 20 14:14
 the state of the NHS  Duncan 9 Jan 20 09:42
  
 the state of the NHS / Crazy Shift Patter..  zippy 24 Feb 20 02:57
 the state of the NHS / Crazy Shift Patte..  Dieselboy 24 Feb 20 06:51
 the state of the NHS / Crazy Shift Patt..  zippy 24 Feb 20 12:04
 the state of the NHS / Crazy Shift Pat..  Manatee 24 Feb 20 12:22
 the state of the NHS / Crazy Shift P..  henry k 24 Feb 20 13:45
 the state of the NHS / Crazy Shift Patte..  No FM2R 24 Feb 20 13:07
 the state of the NHS / Crazy Shift Patt..  Manatee 24 Feb 20 13:26
 the state of the NHS / Crazy Shift Pat..  No FM2R 24 Feb 20 13:28
 the state of the NHS / Crazy Shift P..  Zero 24 Feb 20 13:48
 the state of the NHS / Crazy Shift ..  R.P. 24 Feb 20 13:55
 the state of the NHS  Zero 24 Feb 20 09:26
 the state of the NHS  Duncan 24 Feb 20 11:26
 the state of the NHS  Fullchat 24 Feb 20 22:07
 the state of the NHS  Netsur 25 Feb 20 06:18
 the state of the NHS  Lygonos 25 Feb 20 07:49
 the state of the NHS  Duncan 25 Feb 20 08:35
 the state of the NHS  Lygonos 25 Feb 20 08:38
 the state of the NHS  Zero 25 Feb 20 09:18
 the state of the NHS  VxFan 25 Feb 20 09:33
 the state of the NHS  Bromptonaut 25 Feb 20 09:36
 the state of the NHS  Ambo 25 Feb 20 09:40
 the state of the NHS  Duncan 25 Feb 20 10:44
 the state of the NHS  Zero 25 Feb 20 11:01
 the state of the NHS  Duncan 25 Feb 20 11:07
 the state of the NHS  Bromptonaut 25 Feb 20 11:23
  
 the state of the NHS  Zero 25 Feb 20 11:41
 the state of the NHS  henry k 25 Feb 20 12:18
 the state of the NHS  smokie 25 Feb 20 15:52
 the state of the NHS  zippy 25 Feb 20 16:05
 the state of the NHS  zippy 29 Feb 20 01:49
 the state of the NHS  Duncan 29 Feb 20 05:17
 the state of the NHS  bathtub tom 29 Feb 20 09:16
  
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