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 HS2 costs out of control, says review - Terry
HS2 speculation has been ongoing for years but reached a crescendo over the last few weeks.

It does not need careful examination of the figures to reach a conclusion. It is a abysmally conceived and managed project, which 14 years ago may have seemed a good idea.

It is now just political. Labour have had plenty of time to form a view, talk to those affected etc etc. That they chose not to respond can evidence prevarication and indecision which Sunak will play for all it is worth.

Starmer needs to decide how and when to respond. He is playing in the same political game as Sunak. I believe policy will be heavily influenced by the impact on voter intentions, figures will be massaged to provide the answer he wants, and timed to get maximum political value.

However decent and committed they are to the public good (most on both sides are), without power politicians are impotent. Labour understandably crave power. The Tories have had 13 years to accumulate a "history", and IMHO have wasted most of the last 6 with Brexit.

Labour have almost no current baggage. Back in 2010 Labour were trying to defend their "history" which included financial crisis, increasing unemployment, national debt increases, war in Iraq, expenses scandal to name but a few. They rightly lost the election.

I do not believe either party is fundamentally bad or evil - circumstances drive their behaviours which are stressed by the exercise of power, and avoided in opposition.

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 HS2 costs out of control, says review  No FM2R 5 Jan 20 14:03
 HS2 costs out of control, says review  Bromptonaut 5 Jan 20 15:04
 HS2 costs out of control, says review  Zero 5 Jan 20 16:11
 HS2 costs out of control, says review  Bromptonaut 5 Jan 20 16:22
 HS2 costs out of control, says review  Rudedog 5 Jan 20 17:17
 HS2 costs out of control, says review  Zero 5 Jan 20 17:36
 HS2 costs out of control, says revie..  Terry 5 Jan 20 17:46
 HS2 costs out of control, says revi..  Bromptonaut 5 Jan 20 18:13
 HS2 costs out of control, says rev..  Terry 5 Jan 20 18:33
 HS2 costs out of control, says re..  Zero 5 Jan 20 19:06
 HS2 costs out of control, says re..  Bromptonaut 5 Jan 20 19:53
 HS2 costs out of control, says r..  No FM2R 5 Jan 20 20:04
 HS2 costs out of control, says revi..  legacylad 5 Jan 20 18:18
 HS2 costs out of control, says rev..  No FM2R 5 Jan 20 18:30
 HS2 costs out of control, says re..  CGNorwich 5 Jan 20 18:49
 HS2 costs out of control, says r..  Zero 5 Jan 20 19:13
 HS2 costs out of control, says rev..  Zero 5 Jan 20 19:15
 HS2 costs out of control, says re..  zippy 5 Jan 20 20:41
 HS2 costs out of control, says r..  Zero 5 Jan 20 21:20
 HS2 costs out of control, says..  No FM2R 5 Jan 20 21:25
 HS2 costs out of control, say..  Terry 5 Jan 20 21:46
 HS2 costs out of control, sa..  Zero 5 Jan 20 22:35
 HS2 costs out of control, says..  zippy 5 Jan 20 21:52
 HS2 costs out of control, say..  Zero 5 Jan 20 22:34
 HS2 costs out of control, sa..  CGNorwich 5 Jan 20 22:54
 HS2 costs out of control, says r..  Kevin 5 Jan 20 23:00
 HS2 costs out of control, says..  Terry 6 Jan 20 00:46
 HS2 costs out of control, say..  No FM2R 6 Jan 20 01:47
 HS2 costs out of control, sa..  Lygonos 6 Jan 20 09:53
 HS2 costs out of control, s..  smokie 6 Jan 20 10:05
 HS2 costs out of control, s..  No FM2R 6 Jan 20 10:06
 HS2 costs out of control, say..  Bromptonaut 6 Jan 20 10:40
 HS2 costs out of control, sa..  Zero 6 Jan 20 10:51
 HS2 costs out of control, s..  Netsur 6 Jan 20 16:41
  
 HS2 costs out of control, says review  No FM2R 6 Jan 20 17:07
 HS2 costs out of control, says review  Bromptonaut 6 Jan 20 17:30
 HS2 costs out of control, says review  No FM2R 6 Jan 20 17:39
 HS2 costs out of control, says review  tyrednemotional 7 Jan 20 07:17
 HS2 costs out of control, says revie..  Manatee 7 Jan 20 10:18
 HS2 costs out of control, says revi..  No FM2R 7 Jan 20 11:00
 HS2 costs out of control, says rev..  No FM2R 7 Jan 20 11:02
 HS2 costs out of control, says re..  No FM2R 7 Jan 20 11:37
 HS2 costs out of control, says r..  zippy 7 Jan 20 14:53
 HS2 costs out of control, says revi..  tyrednemotional 7 Jan 20 17:26
 HS2 costs out of control, says rev..  Crankcase 7 Jan 20 17:52
 HS2 costs out of control, says re..  Zero 7 Jan 20 17:56
 HS2 costs out of control, says r..  Crankcase 7 Jan 20 18:00
 HS2 costs out of control, says..  Zero 7 Jan 20 18:24
 HS2 costs out of control, say..  Zero 7 Jan 20 18:26
 HS2 costs out of control, say..  Crankcase 7 Jan 20 18:34
 HS2 costs out of control, sa..  Zero 7 Jan 20 19:00
 HS2 costs out of control, says re..  tyrednemotional 7 Jan 20 18:22
 HS2 costs out of control, says r..  No FM2R 7 Jan 20 18:57
 HS2 costs out of control, says..  tyrednemotional 7 Jan 20 21:41
 HS2 costs out of control, say..  No FM2R 7 Jan 20 21:45
 HS2 costs out of control, says rev..  Manatee 8 Jan 20 10:11
  
 HS2 costs out of control, says review  sooty123 11 Feb 20 08:38
 HS2 costs out of control, says review  Lygonos 11 Feb 20 10:11
 HS2 costs out of control, says review  Zero 11 Feb 20 10:18
 HS2 costs out of control, says review  PeterS 11 Feb 20 10:47
 HS2 costs out of control, says review  Robin O'Reliant 11 Feb 20 10:59
 HS2 costs out of control, says review  Manatee 11 Feb 20 11:52
 HS2 costs out of control, says review  Bromptonaut 11 Feb 20 16:48
 HS2 costs out of control, says review  Bromptonaut 11 Feb 20 18:29
 HS2 costs out of control, says revie..  Terry 11 Feb 20 23:32
 HS2 costs out of control, says revi..  zippy 12 Feb 20 01:33
 HS2 costs out of control, says rev..  Terry 12 Feb 20 09:23
 HS2 costs out of control, says rev..  sooty123 12 Feb 20 10:54
 HS2 costs out of control, says re..  zippy 12 Feb 20 11:25
 HS2 costs out of control, says revi..  sooty123 12 Feb 20 10:49
 HS2 costs out of control, says rev..  Bromptonaut 12 Feb 20 11:13
 HS2 costs out of control, says review  Manatee 12 Feb 20 10:34
 HS2 costs out of control, says revie..  sooty123 12 Feb 20 11:21
 HS2 costs out of control, says revi..  Terry 12 Feb 20 15:57
 HS2 costs out of control, says rev..  No FM2R 12 Feb 20 16:09
 HS2 costs out of control, says re..  CGNorwich 12 Feb 20 16:49
 HS2 costs out of control, says r..  sooty123 12 Feb 20 16:54
 HS2 costs out of control, says r..  No FM2R 12 Feb 20 16:57
 HS3 up for the chop?  sooty123 15 Nov 21 11:00
 HS3 up for the chop?  sooty123 15 Nov 21 20:53
 HS3 up for the chop?  Bromptonaut 16 Nov 21 10:33
 HS3 up for the chop?  sooty123 16 Nov 21 13:21
  
 HS3 up for the chop?  bathtub tom 16 Nov 21 16:03
 HS3 up for the chop?  Clk Sec 16 Nov 21 17:07
 HS3 up for the chop?  sooty123 18 Nov 21 07:43
 HS3 up for the chop?  Terry 18 Nov 21 10:43
 HS3 up for the chop?  Zero 18 Nov 21 10:58
 HS3 up for the chop?  No FM2R 18 Nov 21 11:09
 HS3 up for the chop?  Zero 18 Nov 21 20:23
 HS3 up for the chop?  No FM2R 18 Nov 21 11:11
 HS3 up for the chop?  sooty123 18 Nov 21 12:10
 HS3 up for the chop?  Manatee 18 Nov 21 12:24
 HS3 up for the chop?  sooty123 18 Nov 21 22:13
 HS3 up for the chop?  Terry 19 Nov 21 02:33
 HS3 up for the chop?  No FM2R 19 Nov 21 04:02
 HS3 up for the chop?  sooty123 19 Nov 21 07:50
 HS3 up for the chop?  Zero 20 Nov 21 11:49
 HS3 up for the chop?  Bromptonaut 20 Nov 21 15:11
  
 more delays   sooty123 27 Jan 23 09:23
 more delays   tyrednemotional 27 Jan 23 09:29
 more delays   Bromptonaut 27 Jan 23 09:41
 more delays   Bromptonaut 27 Jan 23 09:53
 more delays   tyrednemotional 27 Jan 23 09:59
 more delays   Terry 27 Jan 23 10:50
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 more delays   Bromptonaut 27 Jan 23 13:34
 more delays   henry k 10 Mar 23 14:00
 more delays   sooty123 9 Mar 23 19:28
 more delays   Kevin 9 Mar 23 19:56
 more delays   Zero 9 Mar 23 21:40
 more delays   tyrednemotional 9 Mar 23 22:07
 more delays   legacylad 9 Mar 23 22:25
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 more delays   legacylad 9 Mar 23 22:35
 more delays   Kevin 9 Mar 23 22:31
 more delays   tyrednemotional 9 Mar 23 22:35
 more delays   Terry 10 Mar 23 00:28
 more delays   tyrednemotional 10 Mar 23 09:21
 more delays   sooty123 14 Sep 23 15:33
 more delays   tyrednemotional 14 Sep 23 16:16
 more delays   Terry 14 Sep 23 19:39
 more delays   Ted 14 Sep 23 22:19
 more delays   Bromptonaut 15 Sep 23 09:40
 more delays   Terry 15 Sep 23 10:32
 more delays   Bromptonaut 16 Sep 23 10:17
 more delays   Terry 16 Sep 23 14:10
 more delays   sooty123 15 Sep 23 11:23
 cancellation on the way?   sooty123 24 Sep 23 10:09
 cancellation on the way?   Bromptonaut 24 Sep 23 10:36
 cancellation on the way?   Terry 24 Sep 23 10:48
 cancellation on the way?   Duncan 24 Sep 23 10:55
 cancellation on the way?   Biggles 24 Sep 23 12:50
 cancellation on the way?   Bromptonaut 24 Sep 23 16:54
 cancellation on the way?   sooty123 24 Sep 23 10:48
 cancellation on the way?   Duncan 24 Sep 23 10:57
 cancellation on the way?   CGNorwich 24 Sep 23 11:10
 cancellation on the way?   Runfer D'Hills 24 Sep 23 11:24
 cancellation on the way?   Biggles 24 Sep 23 12:52
 cancellation on the way?   Bromptonaut 24 Sep 23 12:58
 cancellation on the way?   Terry 24 Sep 23 14:45
 cancellation on the way?   Bromptonaut 24 Sep 23 16:32
 cancellation on the way?   CGNorwich 24 Sep 23 21:10
 cancellation on the way?   Duncan 24 Sep 23 14:59
 cancellation on the way?   Runfer D'Hills 24 Sep 23 15:42
 HS2 costs out of control, says review  Bromptonaut 28 Sep 23 14:59
 HS2 costs out of control, says review  sooty123 4 Oct 23 19:17
 HS2 costs out of control, says review  Manatee 4 Oct 23 20:07
 HS2 costs out of control, says review  sooty123 4 Oct 23 20:14
 HS2 costs out of control, says review  Manatee 4 Oct 23 20:39
 HS2 costs out of control, says revie..  sooty123 4 Oct 23 21:08
 HS2 costs out of control, says revi..  smokie 4 Oct 23 22:01
 HS2 costs out of control, says rev..  tyrednemotional 4 Oct 23 22:24
 HS2 costs out of control, says rev..  Manatee 4 Oct 23 22:38
 HS2 costs out of control, says revi..  Manatee 4 Oct 23 22:01
 HS2 costs out of control, says rev..  Terry 5 Oct 23 01:48
 HS2 costs out of control, says re..  sooty123 5 Oct 23 06:50
 HS2 costs out of control, says r..  Bobby 5 Oct 23 07:46
 HS2 costs out of control, says re..  Manatee 5 Oct 23 08:56
 HS2 costs out of control, says r..  smokie 5 Oct 23 10:25
 HS2 costs out of control, say..  Terry 5 Oct 23 10:32
 HS2 costs out of control, says..  CGNorwich 5 Oct 23 10:52
 HS2 costs out of control, says r..  Manatee 5 Oct 23 11:38
 HS2 costs out of control, says..  Manatee 5 Oct 23 14:54
 HS2 costs out of control, says..  Terry 5 Oct 23 16:27
 HS2 costs out of control, say..  sooty123 5 Oct 23 19:41
 HS2 costs out of control, sa..  smokie 5 Oct 23 20:11
 HS2 costs out of control, s..  Terry 6 Oct 23 11:16
  
 HS2 costs out of control, says review  Kevin 6 Oct 23 13:08
 HS2 costs out of control, says review  Terry 6 Oct 23 15:59
 HS2 costs out of control, says review  Manatee 6 Oct 23 18:15
 HS2 costs out of control, says review  Terry 6 Oct 23 19:27
 HS2 costs out of control, says review  Kevin 6 Oct 23 19:28
 HS2 costs out of control, says revie..  Manatee 6 Oct 23 20:20
 HS2 costs out of control, says revi..  sooty123 6 Oct 23 20:55
 HS2 costs out of control, says rev..  Bromptonaut 6 Oct 23 22:39
 HS2 costs out of control, says re..  sooty123 6 Oct 23 23:03
 HS2 costs out of control, says r..  sooty123 6 Oct 23 23:11
 HS2 costs out of control, says re..  smokie 7 Oct 23 00:05
 HS2 costs out of control, says r..  tyrednemotional 7 Oct 23 09:02
 HS2 costs out of control, says..  Bromptonaut 7 Oct 23 10:24
 HS2 costs out of control, says rev..  Manatee 7 Oct 23 11:08
 HS2 costs out of control, says re..  Manatee 7 Oct 23 11:12
 HS2 costs out of control, says r..  Manatee 7 Oct 23 11:19
 HS2 costs out of control, says..  sooty123 7 Oct 23 11:41
 HS2 costs out of control, say..  Bromptonaut 7 Oct 23 11:49
 HS2 costs out of control, sa..  sooty123 7 Oct 23 15:58
 HS2 costs out of control, s..  tyrednemotional 7 Oct 23 16:25
 HS2 costs out of control, says r..  Terry 7 Oct 23 15:10
 HS2 costs out of control, says..  Manatee 7 Oct 23 18:39
 HS2 costs out of control, say..  Terry 7 Oct 23 19:02
 HS2 costs out of control, sa..  Manatee 7 Oct 23 20:16
 HS2 costs out of control, say..  Bobby 7 Oct 23 19:03
 HS2 costs out of control, sa..  Bromptonaut 7 Oct 23 20:41
 HS2 costs out of control, s..  tyrednemotional 7 Oct 23 20:50
  
 HS2 costs out of control, says review  Bromptonaut 7 Oct 23 20:54
  
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