The Greens take Gorton & Denton from Labour.
Greens first.
Reform second.
Labour third.
Tories lost their deposit.
Much political comment about what this means for the three parties mentioned above, but what about the Tories - they lost their deposit! This surely must be disastrous for them?
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Reform blaming the Muslins.
So nothing new there.
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Starmer is holding out again a few weeks on from the last "challenge" to his position.
However, in May there are elections in Wales, Scotland and some local council elections in England.
In theory, with 3 years to go o a General lection plus a huge majority in the HoC, he should be safe BUT there are many internal differences within the party.
He could go from 2024 Election Hero to 2026 Zero.
If the same election shift happened to Starmer's constituency as happened in Manchester, he would lose his seat.
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"Nigel Farage has launched a blistering attack on the Green Party, branding their triumph in the Gorton and Denton by-election "a victory for sectarian voting and cheating."
Right out of the Trump playbook
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Tories had absolutely no chance of winning or even making a dent in the outcome. The result is of no consequence.
No surprise that Greens won support from the Muslim community. Also no surprise Labour defectors went to the left politically rather than switching to Reform.
The real question is what Labour do now. They have lost massive support to the Greens in much the same way that Reform split the Tory vote.
And for much the same reason - both Labour and the Tories before them completely failed their core supporters. Reliance upon political BS to create the illusion of government is no substitute for clear leadership and effective action.
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Just shows how much people are moving away from the main parties because they don't work for them.
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This result will have no detectable effect on what happens in Westminster, but it is amusing to imagine scaling it up with PR operating. A Green/Reform coalition ?
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>> A Green/Reform coalition ?
I can think of nothing less harmonius
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I would put money on the next government will be a Labour/Green/Liberal coalitionn
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Its a by election, historically notoriously out of line with results at full elections.
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Absolutely but the days of the two party system are over. The next government will be a coalition. Reform can’t win because the “anyone but Farage “ vote is larger than Reform’s. Neither Labour or Conservative have the support to win by themselves.
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I wonder how much effect the Green party's loud support for Gaza and the reports of 'familial' voting, with numerous reports of more than one person entering a polling booth (apparently illegal).
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>> I wonder how much effect the Green party's loud support for Gaza and the reports
>> of 'familial' voting, with numerous reports of more than one person entering a polling booth
>> (apparently illegal).
According to Wikipedia the law was amended by a single clause Bill/Act in 2023.
The effect was to make it an offence to be in or near a polling booth with another person and with the intent to influence them to vote in a particular way or to refrain from voting.
Proving intent in Gorton/Denton may be problematic since the only evidence of offences seems to be from Observers reports.
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I agree with 5 parties (Labour, Green, Tory, Reform, Libdem) fielding candidates is the likely outcome will be a hung parliament.
This simplistically assumes no change from current party structures. It could easily be Tory/Reform, Labour/Green or with Libdems holding the casting vote.
There are 3 years until the next election. Lots could happen including:
- Reform and Tories settle their differences and combine (plausible in some form)
- Labour and Green do likewise (less likely as so new a threat)
- Labour swing violently to the left (possible with Starmer removal)
- scandals eliminate chances of Green revival or Reform success (both plausible)
- Libdems go for the centre ground vacated by the other parties (I doubt they know how)
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Is the woman who won really a plumber? In the generally accepted every day meaning of the word?
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I am, of course - as anyone will confirm - just a nasty old (very old) cynic.
I wonder how many hours she invoiced last month for her plumbing work. Has anyone questioned her? Surely I can't be the only person who is a little suspicious?
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She appears to have done a check and she has a active business for plumbing, but I've not checked it out myself.
The election might have eaten into her plumbing time this last month.
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It's reported on Wiki and elswhere her business is/was titled Hannah's Household Plumbing. May have done a lot of work on heat pump installations.
Since she's spent the last month on the campaign trail I assume she's not done much plumbing.
There's also a smear around about property ownership as she's reported to be the owner of more than one property while the Greens oppose 'landlordism'.
Seems the mundane truth is that she owns the house she lives in and co-owns another with an ex and is trying to extract her share of the value; not always striaghtforward.
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>> questioned her? Surely I can't be the only person who is a little suspicious? sexist.
There, fixed that for you, no charge.
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>> Is the woman who won really a plumber? In the generally accepted every day meaning of the word? >>
Not only that, she says she has just qualified as a plasterer ....
One other conclusion from the results is that Kemi seems to have attracted very few voters, even for a non-Tory area.
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Green Party Wins Gorton & Denton By-election - Bobby
