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 Diesels greener than battery cars - Zero
analysis reveals that modern diesel cars are actually better for the environment than battery ones.

pubs.acs.org/doi/full/10.1021/es903729a

The revelations come in a new report issued by Swiss government research lab EMPA, titled Contribution of Li-Ion Batteries to the Environmental Impact of Electric Vehicles. The Swiss boffins, having done some major research into the environmental burdens of making and disposing of li-ion batteries - to add to the established bodies of work on existing cars - say that battery manufacture and disposal aren't that big a deal. However, in today's world, with electricity often made by burning coal or gas, a battery car is still a noticeable eco burden:

The main finding of this study is that the impact of a Li-ion battery used in [a battery-powered car] for transport service is relatively small. In contrast, it is the operation phase that remains the dominant contributor to the environmental burden caused by transport service as long as the electricity for the [battery car] is not produced by renewable hydropower ...
A break even analysis shows that an [internal combustion engined vehicle] would need to consume less than 3.9 L/100km to cause lower [environmental impacts] than a [battery car] ... Consumptions in this range are achieved by some small and very efficient diesel [cars], for example, from Ford and Volkswagen.

Actually quite a lot of the new diesels are in the better-than-battery ballpark, according to UK government figures. The notional battery car considered by the EMPA analysts was a Volkswagen Golf with its normal drivetrain replaced by a battery one: but it seems that you would be doing slightly better for the environment to buy an ordinary new Golf with a 1.6 litre "BlueMotion" injected turbodiesel - which would be a lot cheaper. That would consume 3.8 l/100km, not 3.9.

So would a new Mini Cooper D hatchback or a new Ford Focus, actually. And if you could bear to go for something a little smaller - VW Polo rather than Golf - you'd be streets ahead on the environmental front, down as low as 3.4 l/100km with more than 15 per cent of the car's in-service emissions clipped off compared to the 3.9 l/100km battery-car baseline. As the Swiss boffins tell us, it's the in-service energy use and emissions which count most.

You could even treat yourself to a small estate car - the Skoda Fabia - and beat a battery Golf by a large margin in terms of eco-credentials, according to the EMPA analysis.


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 Diesels greener than battery cars new Zero 18 Jan 11 23:59
 Diesels greener than battery cars new Dave_ 19 Jan 11 00:43
 Diesels greener than battery cars new idle_chatterer 19 Jan 11 01:22
 Diesels greener than battery cars new DP 19 Jan 11 09:06
 Diesels greener than battery cars new Enoughalready 19 Jan 11 09:23
 Diesels greener than battery cars new .... 19 Jan 11 11:32
 Diesels greener than battery cars new Old Navy 19 Jan 11 11:40
 Diesels greener than battery cars new Boxsterboy 19 Jan 11 12:27
 Diesels greener than battery cars new Kithmo 19 Jan 11 13:25
 Diesels greener than battery cars new Kithmo 19 Jan 11 13:30
 Diesels greener than battery cars new Zero 19 Jan 11 13:38
 Diesels greener than battery cars new tyro 19 Jan 11 13:39
 Diesels greener than battery cars new DP 19 Jan 11 13:50
 Diesels greener than battery cars new Bellboy 19 Jan 11 13:58
 Diesels greener than battery cars new Kithmo 19 Jan 11 14:04
 Diesels greener than battery cars new Zero 19 Jan 11 14:06
 Diesels greener than battery cars new Kithmo 19 Jan 11 14:09
 Diesels greener than battery cars new Zero 19 Jan 11 14:11
 Diesels greener than battery cars new hobby 19 Jan 11 14:17
 Diesels greener than battery cars new Old Navy 19 Jan 11 14:14
 Diesels greener than battery cars new Kithmo 19 Jan 11 14:30
 Diesels greener than battery cars new Zero 19 Jan 11 14:33
 Diesels greener than battery car.. new Kithmo 19 Jan 11 15:04
 Diesels greener than battery car.. new Old Navy 19 Jan 11 15:07
 Diesels greener than battery car.. new Alanovich 19 Jan 11 15:09
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 Diesels greener than battery cars new tyro 19 Jan 11 14:14
 Diesels greener than battery cars new Zero 19 Jan 11 14:17
 Diesels greener than battery cars new Alanovich 19 Jan 11 14:18
 Diesels greener than battery cars new Kithmo 19 Jan 11 14:25
 Diesels greener than battery cars new Old Navy 19 Jan 11 15:11
 Diesels greener than battery cars new Kithmo 19 Jan 11 15:17
 Diesels greener than battery car.. new DP 19 Jan 11 16:07
 Diesels greener than battery c.. new Rob81 19 Jan 11 16:24
 Diesels greener than battery .. new diddy1234 19 Jan 11 17:05
 Diesels greener than battery.. new CGNorwich 19 Jan 11 17:13
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 Diesels greener than battery cars new Iffy 19 Jan 11 17:31
 Diesels greener than battery cars new Bagpuss 19 Jan 11 18:05
 Diesels greener than battery cars new Woodster 19 Jan 11 18:19
 Diesels greener than battery cars new Alastairw 19 Jan 11 18:31
 Diesels greener than battery cars new Armel Coussine 19 Jan 11 18:44
 Diesels greener than battery cars new Woodster 19 Jan 11 19:36
 Diesels greener than battery cars new Armel Coussine 19 Jan 11 19:45
 Diesels greener than battery cars new tyro 19 Jan 11 19:57
 Diesels greener than battery cars new - 19 Jan 11 20:09
 Diesels greener than battery cars new Crankcase 19 Jan 11 20:54
 Diesels greener than battery car.. new Old Navy 19 Jan 11 21:00
 Diesels greener than battery c.. new Crankcase 19 Jan 11 21:01
 Diesels greener than battery car.. new - 19 Jan 11 21:02
 Diesels greener than battery c.. new Crankcase 19 Jan 11 21:10
 Diesels greener than battery .. new - 19 Jan 11 21:18
 Diesels greener than battery cars new Kithmo 19 Jan 11 21:21
 Diesels greener than battery car.. new - 19 Jan 11 21:30
 Diesels greener than battery c.. new Kithmo 19 Jan 11 21:44
 Diesels greener than battery .. new Old Navy 19 Jan 11 21:49
 Diesels greener than battery.. new Kithmo 19 Jan 11 21:55
 Diesels greener than battery .. new - 19 Jan 11 21:52
 Diesels greener than battery.. new Crankcase 19 Jan 11 22:43
 Diesels greener than batter.. new - 19 Jan 11 22:48
  
 Diesels greener than battery cars new Bagpuss 19 Jan 11 23:21
 Diesels greener than battery cars new Zero 19 Jan 11 23:25
 Diesels greener than battery cars new Bagpuss 19 Jan 11 23:58
 Diesels greener than battery cars new Zero 20 Jan 11 00:00
 Diesels greener than battery cars new Boxsterboy 20 Jan 11 12:25
 Diesels greener than battery cars new NortonES2 20 Jan 11 13:25
 Diesels greener than battery cars new Old Navy 20 Jan 11 13:29
 Diesels greener than battery cars new Boxsterboy 20 Jan 11 15:22
 Diesels greener than batter.. new Kithmo 20 Jan 11 10:56
  
 Diesels greener than battery car.. new hobby 20 Jan 11 09:57
 Diesels greener than battery cars new FotheringtonTomas 20 Jan 11 10:54
 Diesels greener than battery cars new Old Navy 20 Jan 11 11:18
 Diesels greener than battery cars new tyro 20 Jan 11 11:24
 Diesels greener than battery cars new Woodster 20 Jan 11 14:10
 Diesels greener than battery cars new BiggerBadderDave 20 Jan 11 14:32
 Diesels greener than battery cars new diddy1234 20 Jan 11 14:35
 Diesels greener than battery cars new Kithmo 20 Jan 11 20:57
 Diesels greener than battery cars new Woodster 21 Jan 11 08:24
 Diesels greener than battery cars new hobby 21 Jan 11 09:53
 Diesels greener than battery cars new diddy1234 21 Jan 11 12:39
 Diesels greener than battery car.. new hobby 21 Jan 11 14:10
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